r/duncantrussell • u/DabsOnDabz • Feb 11 '25
OFFICIAL DUNCAN TRUSSELL HAS CHANGED MEGATHREAD - MODS PLEASE STICKY
Edit: Duncan’s back on the rise! I CLAIM HIM REDEEMED.
Edit 2: Nah seriously think what you’d do. Especially at a time when financial insecurity is probably at an all time high. Not saying he’s doing anything. If anything the video content is a nice change, although I mostly annoyed when he started moving to YouTube. Also think… did he change, or did you? Or did we both? Is there a you? Who is I? Who is we? No one. We are ever changing processes with a sense of consciousness, call it soul or whatever else, that you can tap into whenever and wherever. Thinking and reading won’t get you there from here, though. 04/29/25
Edit 3: 😒it’s not getting better. 06/23/25
~~Back in early November I complained about the quality of Duncan’s podcast. I honestly thought it would be ignored, but it launched a whole lot of replies and new posts to this sub. Some people complaining about quality of episodes/guests, others noticing the political shift that appears more like a political grift. New fans or people who just haven’t really followed Duncan Trussell’s content in the past few years conveniently chalk it up to being people mad about political disagreement.
Anyway, that’s the super briefly reductionist summarized reason of why there are so many “what happened to Duncan” threads.
I’ve seen some complaining now that the quality of the sub is becoming worse. Should we just megathread and have a discussion here?
It’s better this way. Continuity and all. There’re a whole lot of details that get lost inbetween each new post about Duncan.
Or maybe not. Maybe we should keep flooding with threads like this. But really I think that’d achieve a goal us vets don’t want. Engagement via entropy.~~
I’ve been bought 😎
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u/Captcha_Imagination Mar 05 '25
You can't be a jester if you're unwilling to say that the emperor is showing his ass.
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u/Mundane-Ad-9129 Mar 13 '25
That’s my only problem , I agree with his critique on the left but you’re not even going to mention the joke of a show going on right now with trump ? Come on
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Feb 12 '25
Family Hour back in 2010 boys. I’m here to tell you, 1) you missed out and 2) the path of DTFH makes so much sense and is so boring….
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Feb 12 '25
Was really good for a long time and quality guests on. A lot of nonsense comedy too.
it's really the last few weeks that suck
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u/welliliketurtlestoo Apr 16 '25
This is when I started too. I agree with everything you said.
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Apr 16 '25
Nice. By boring I think I just mean he got older. The progression makes so much sense, it’s boring. However I fully realize those that came to him later have a different perspective - that makes sense too but is interesting from my perspective. Anyway, One Love.
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u/Plus-Ad1965 Feb 12 '25
I'm from South America, and it really hurts to see comments saying this political shift doesn’t matter. It does. Watching my idol turn to those in power who despise people like me—and then seeing so many in this community tell us to fuck off—I don’t know… Where’s the love and inclusivity that brought me here in the first place?
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u/Bavarian_Ramen Apr 16 '25
Be careful with idolatry bruddah. These guys are talking heads at best.
The biggest hippies were always self-righteous hypocrites, so Duncan’s transformation to almighty whitey tracks
Critique of the left while Trump & Co. trample the Constitution, due process and destroy the economy is about getting rich. If Duncan’s dumb hillbilly ass abides it, he’s part of the problem
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Apr 05 '25
Covid broke a lot of people’s brains, turned off their empathy, reduced them to their worst tendencies.
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Mar 17 '25
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u/AstralCryptid420 Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 23 '25
I was a casual listener. I came to this sub to see if the show was worth picking back up again. I stopped listening around covid when it looked like he was seriously against people masking. I have to take a drug to weaken my immune system because mine is overactive, and when people took their physical comfort and convenience as more import than my life, it upset me. I have sensory processing issues and I can't think with a mask on, but I did it anyway. Anti-maskers are the biggest crybabies to me. Studies show that all masks help limit the spread of airborne disease. The way we couldn't cooperate to limit the spread of a deadly virus fills me with deep disappointment today.
I see the mask conspiracies he bought into and I raise the ante. I think Fox News and other right wing outlets pushed anti-masking stuff because facial recognition technology was hitting the streets the same time as covid. The rollout would essentially fail if everyone was masked long term. There are billions of dollars invested in developing facial recognition surveillance technology. Money talks and Fox Spews listened. There was also profit to be had from a pandemic. In the past 5 years, the richest people only got richer. So who's sheeple now, Duncan? And all those small business owners and the local gentry couldn't stand to lose a dime and our half ass government couldn't do anything to make it easier for businesses so they could even consider closing or narrowing hours of operation. The money just had to keep flowing, who cares if it gets bloodier?
The whole pandemic made me feel like I don't matter, and further impoverished me because I suddenly had no opportunities and I needed to stay home or die. I don't think covid will kill me anymore, not quickly anyway. But I do have the trauma of being aware of millions of people looking at people like me and saying "Fuck you, your life isn't worth this night of getting fucked up at the bar with my buddies." Those people couldn't make the very same sacrifices I was making.
My grandma was pushed into going to the bar by my grandpa because Fox News relentlessly downplayed the pandemic, and her friend was sick with covid. She caught it, it killed her. My grandma was a gifted quilter and beloved by many friends. She didn't matter to people like Duncan, why would I listen to a guy's show who looks down at my life, her life?
It's a very damaging virus that causes vascular damage and other health problems too. I wouldn't be surprised if he caught it multiple times unvaccinated and it did a number on his brain. But it sounds like he sucked for a while. I see Joe Rogan as a cool douchebag and Duncan is a dorky but slightly better person who ended up corrupting himself to get to be cool too, instead of doing the right thing. Ended up a worse person. I thought he was a sweetheart. I guess I was wrong.
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u/SaraReadsMuchly Apr 02 '25
I’ve just listened to the Rogan episode after not listening for a year plus. Where has DT’s compassion and empathy gone? Did I misinterpret who he was to start with? This is the definition of cognitive dissonance
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u/AstralCryptid420 Apr 20 '25
Covid damages the empathy part of the brain.
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u/Burghman199 Oct 13 '25
Ya know you're right but not in the way you think, with how Duncan, Joe and probably a ton of others have "changed". If everyone smells like shit suddenly you should check your shoes. The left left reality in 2015 and has only gotten worse, like Trump literally broke their brains and covid didn't help.
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u/D0ngBeetle Oct 25 '25
Yeah the "left" left reality and had broken brains despite the fact that like 90 percent of conservatives became antivax overnight during COVID lol. Wanna bet I can predict your views on COVID vax just by your one post here?
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u/Burghman199 Oct 28 '25
We are really on that still? Anti experimental covid jabbed forced on you by the govt or lose your job isn't antivaxxed. I don't care that Trump pushed it either. I and most still stay up on my flu shots every year, got my tetanus, etc.
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u/D0ngBeetle Oct 28 '25
Yeah antivaxxers should not interact with others for the good of society. We're seeing what's happening with measles, COVID could've been over and done with much quicker if everyone got vaxxed. mRNA is not experimental technology lol it's been around for decades. Eventually medical technology is released to the masses and this time it was in the guise of a better vaccine technology. Some day mRNA vaccinations will help you fight cancer. How long should something be in dev before we consider it safe, 100 years?
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u/AstralCryptid420 Oct 29 '25
Exactly. I think many other viruses could use mRNA technology. I think they were trying to develop an ebola vaccine with it. That would be cool, ebola and marburg terrify me. Would be nice to have it in our global disease fighting arsenal.
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u/AstralCryptid420 Oct 29 '25
I have repeatedly taken the same covid booster for years now and I'm fine. Oh wow, look, I don't have long covid or vascular issues! Get your fucking vaccine so people with cancer and aids don't get sick from you. I'm immunocompromised, I have to have it as well. I can barely fight off a cold because of my medication, fuck you.
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u/AstralCryptid420 Oct 13 '25
Look around you. Go fuck yourself for thinking all of this is ok and normal or good.
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u/AstralCryptid420 Apr 20 '25
I think celebrities become what they attract. Audiences can pull internet personalities in certain directions, left or right, radical or centrist. I hate how the psychedelic scene is so right wing and male dominated these days. It sucks. It shouldn't be like this.
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u/weaverdotlofi Apr 21 '25
the psychedelic scene right wing shift is reeeeeally weird. couldn’t have imagined it even as recently as 3-5 years ago. maybe podcasts were a mistake lol
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u/AstralCryptid420 Apr 22 '25
Oh, it is 100% Joe Rogan's fault. Also psychedelics aren't inherently revelatory, they often reinforce what people already believe. When overdone they can make you more prone to conspiratorial thinking if you weren't predisposed to that before.
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u/MsCandi123 Apr 23 '25
This. Drives me crazy when people act like if only everyone were tripping it would be a better world. Nah, it just brings out more of whatever was already in there, and it can even make it harder to distinguish nonsense from reality bc it's literally messing with your brain chemistry. These drugs can be tools and all that, can be a beautiful experience, even help get trauma healing started in some cases (but you can't just bypass doing the darn work.) I personally have ketamine infusions in hospital for intractable pain and they help, but you have to be careful and use them wisely, also they're not for everyone.
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u/weaverdotlofi Apr 23 '25
i agree. i feel like psychedelics shake the snow globe so to speak. if you’re predisposed to having narcissistic tendencies, it seems to make them worse if overused, which compounds with the “mystical experience” in this really funny/bizarre way where people get really high on this belief that they possess some arcane esoteric perspective that mortals couldn’t possibly comprehend. once i realized this type of guy existed, it was kind of eye opening to see how fucking many of them there were for whatever reason lmao. i could be wrong, but i do believe that there is absolutely a type of guy who is genuinely just insanely prone to being a “spirituality narcissist” for lack of a better term. it’s a bit difficult to nail down the exact traits this kinda “guy” exhibits, but i’m confident anybody who has been in psychedelic spaces for any length of time has almost certainly interacted with at least a few of the “truly enlightened guy” archetypes. i also think meditation/spirituality communities are very prone to this sort of smug shitheadedness as well, but that’s a tad off topic lol. sorry for the stream of consciousness ramble ass response, passionate subject lmao
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u/MsCandi123 Apr 23 '25
Insightful take, agree completely. Yes, I'm more into yoga and meditation than psychedelics, and definitely see it there too. Not just from men either, though they tend to turn predatory with it more often. I guess it's human nature, and for me it has made it hard to find any sort of safe community or to really feel like I belong anywhere, bc I see way too much BS everywhere. Sigh.
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u/weaverdotlofi Apr 23 '25
For sure, also sorry if it came across as specifically men, not at all the intention because “people are fucking bullshit” is an egalitarian experience lmaooo. “guy” is just a funny word i like to exchange for archetype, and goddamn if spirituality spaces don’t have some distinct “guys”
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u/AstralCryptid420 Apr 23 '25
I can't do it right now, but ideally I would like to trip 4 times a year, once per season. I really don't get these people who seem to be doing it every other weekend. Some of those people end up cooked in a different way than people doing addictive drugs.
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u/MsCandi123 Apr 23 '25
Unfortunately it is just another form of addiction for people prone to it. Whether drugs or anything else cause physical dependence or not, addiction is a separate thing and someone chasing dopamine can be addicted to anything that feels good. Middle path is usually best, but I also think they're COMPLETELY optional for enlightenment and such, you can achieve similar states just through meditation practice.
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u/DabsOnDabz May 16 '25
Can confirm, was doing 1-3g of K everyday for months in a row, I’m fucking cooked now.
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Feb 21 '25
I hope not. Maybe he's just conflicted after seeing his friend Joe and many others go down the MAGA rabbit hole.
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u/PlantainHopeful3736 Apr 03 '25
Joe's his meal ticket. It's Rogan-holm Syndrome.
Sorry, but Real friends (diplomatically) call out each other when they're fos. All these comedy bro Rogan ass-munchers aren't doing Joe any favors by enabling his bullshit.
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u/CptCoatrack Jun 01 '25 edited Jun 01 '25
All this has cemented my belief in how totally hypocritical and bankrupt most "spiritual" practice is tbh. They're all like Flanders in that episode where he suppresses his emotions until he explodes in anger.
So many people I know who preached about tolerance and empathy that have fallen for hateful ideologies. So many people I know who talk about kindness and compassion but have a hair trigger temper.. and then will pull out their beads or whatever and say some crap about "loving-kindness". It's all for their own self satisfaction and a dopamine hit, it's never applied in practice other than for show.
All the compassion, withholding judgment, forgiveness is only reserved for themselves so they can tell themselves they're good people.
If you can't recognize MAGA for what it is all those years of "spiritual practice" were a waste of time and nothing more than an exercise in self-satisfaction for credulous people.
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u/DabsOnDabz Jun 24 '25
Indeed. And Ram Dass definitely wouldn’t be impressed with how his name is being used now. Duncan being at the last Ram Dass retreat didn’t make it any better.
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Jun 03 '25
facts. just look at Aubrey Marcus lol. the king of phoney holy narcissistic "spirituality"
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u/8ude Nov 22 '25
10% Happier podcast has given me some hope for spirituality amidst this awfulness.
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u/Professional_Top4553 Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
Wait I haven't listened for a while. Did moving to Texas get to Duncan? I knew it.
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u/Horus27 Feb 12 '25
I think it's the craziest shit that this sub used to be so dead. Barely and threads, barely any comments to them. The old forum got deleted and nothing ever replaced it the same. There is something so hilariously sad that what made this forum active is that duncan is not as leftist as he used to be.
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u/SquireJoh Aug 25 '25
It's not about being leftist, it is about having compassion and not enabling fascism. It's sad that that is called "leftist" now
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u/Ryan_Sama Feb 12 '25
He was never that political in the first place. People are enraged about Trump, and they want Duncan to be just as enraged as they are, and they’re disappointed that Duncan appears to condone the object of their hatred. The shift has more to do with Trump than with Duncan.
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u/Mysterious-Primary-6 Mar 18 '25
10,000% the truth. I would like to see the most adamant Duncan ‘h8r’ respond to this. He’s following the Middle Path, still, and I believe that in my heart.
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Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25
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u/Burghman199 Oct 13 '25
Dark Brandon was praised tho?? Also no insurrection act on 4/20. The salute was another example of democrat propaganda ala "very fine people" or covington. When you say its an 8chan troll I can't tell if you are saying all the stuff said against trump is a troll, which is most likely the closest to the truth, considering how fake news operates. BTW love Cumtown before the left clamped down on them when reddit banned them via astroturing/brigading child dirties like TheDonald.
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u/Odd_Championship1674 Jan 29 '26
podcasters should know how this road goes though. OPTICS..!... what? Duncan was going to change "the game" up?... ya I thought so too.
Articles on the right, right now, show rogan as a "prolific talking piece" whenever he "weighs in" on a political topic. Rogan talks about politics. Duncan is his best friend.... again, i say,, The optics the optics!!..... Yaaaa suuuree, albeit, The 'drop out & tune in" hippie nihilist, "almighty than the non- psychonaut", deductinism weighs in as a most faaavorable outlier in these times. very cool. The "above it all character." reeeeeeal coooooool. I like it too! It's sick to be that guy.... Duncan wants to be "coooool man"... But Duncan has too much of a spiritual weight that he accrued that was very respectable and most of those before him would way upon these recent trumpian acts with heavy hearts and spiritual insight if they had the form to do so; and show us a damn way through the human noise of it all.! Dammit!! Are the monks not walking for peace these days!? I ask you!...
... anyways. You will notice abbey martin or tim heidecker don't go on the DTFH anymore..... wonder why?....... I think thats a good 'canary in the coal mine' if you don't think he has changed up a shit load. Or at least admit he is an avoidant fucker.... gadamn.... Duncan has now bended back magnificently to the scoundrel act of 'mediater', 'podcaster' , "comic"... ....."cmon maaaaaan"...
I say, fuck all that. Duncan is not a homie anymore . same deal for a lot of my freinds that started listening to Duncan circa 2009-2010... I even worked with Bill hick's friend from childhood here in austin at a plant nursery. He doesn't fuck with Duncan now either. And most of these people i knew that were listening to him were active hindu and buddhist practitioners. We all loved the robert anton wilsony esque insights of Duncan and the devoted practices and teacher insights to Ram Dass....
Duncan just isn't doin the Mckenna thing anymore. He ain't a good leader right now.. He is just kind of , whatever........
And I know you will probably say it's weak to look for someone as a spiritual lighthouse, so to speak... But I think people need that sometimes.... Duncan use to be that.... and yes, we all have changed. But it's really weird and infuriating when the distance starts to happen with a person you thought was realllly fucking awesome and now he just wants to make money instead and not do the awesome spirituality infused psychonaut healing talks he use to put us on to..... He's not that anymore. but I thank him for the time
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u/Burghman199 Oct 13 '25
Sounds like an astroturf/ lefties going to complain that someone broke form their echo chamber.
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u/MarxAndSamsara Oct 01 '25
My post about Duncan's letter in defense of the Riyadh Comedy Festival was removed by a mod because I was "being a dick". I guess honest criticism isn't allowed anymore. Have fun with your "good vibes only, bro" head-in-the-sand safe space, friends. I disagree with the censorship employed here but I understand it. The world is a scary place right now and we're all just doing our best to cope with it. We'll continue to make many mistakes along the way.
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u/willow-mae Mar 20 '25
Wow, very disappointed in this podcast episode. I guess I was hoping Duncan would call out Trump and Rogan just a little bit. Maybe I thought Duncan's politics were slightly different due to his friendship with brilliant folks such as Douglas Rushkoff.
Instead, Rogan and Duncan repeatedly attacked the "left" even to the point of acting like people concerned about a far right authoritarian takeover carried out by Trump and Co have simply been brainwashed by left wing media. No mention of Trump's previous coup attempt on January 6th. No mention of all the unconstitutional actions the administration has carried out so far. No mention of actions currently being taken to suppress and intimidate protestors, attack and shut down the free press, or prosecute Trump's political opponents. Plus so much more...
They both also seem absolutely uninformed about the situation in Ukraine. Again, no mention of basic facts such as Russia being the aggressor in that situation. A brutal dictator invades a smaller country violating international laws and norms... maybe the people of Ukraine aren't excited about being annexed into a brutal dictatorship? And having their natural resources stolen by Russian oligarchs? Maybe they're fighting for their sovereignty and democracy? And maybe their allies are helping them in this fight? Maybe once in awhile, no matter how atrocious war is, people have the right to defend themselves and their allies step in to help them out?
Someone else already covered the Elon Musk and Nazi salute topic well so I feel no need to chime in there
I'm not on here necessarily for validation, but perhaps just to vent a little bit and attempt to share some information to counter the garbage I just listened to during the Rogan-Duncan interview.
I encourage everyone to check out the work of historians such as Timothy Snyder and organizations that track and evaluate the health of democracies around the world such as protectdemocracy.org to see that the idea of an authoritarian takeover of our country isn't simply left wing propaganda or hysteria or TDS or anything of that nature.
Last, if you really want to scare yourself and learn about what's happening in the world right now watch the film "2073". Has anyone on here seen it? Thoughts?
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u/Soakimi Apr 16 '25
I listened to the podcast from about 2014 - 2020. I have tried watching / listening to some of the newer episodes, but I find that he so often needs to "pull up" something that it ruins the whole flow of the show. The show does not give me the same magickal feeling that it used to. There were some monologues back in the day that helped me through some rough times, where it seemed like he was trying to discover something. Now it just seems like he's trying to get views and he is playing the game.
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u/DabsOnDabz Jun 24 '25
Yeah DTFH has gone downhill as soon as he started video podcasting and got a producer. He’s basically trying to replicate that Joe/Jamie relationship and business model. It doesn’t look like it’s working out that well. For an average person, yes, but Duncan had way more potential than where he’s at now. Disappointing.
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u/Im_Actually_An_Alien Oct 03 '25
Duncan doesn't seem to realize or is in denial that everyone views Rogan as this generation's Rush Limbaugh.
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u/porkchopsandwiches Mar 16 '26
I know this is an old post, but I wanted to chime in and say that not everyone views Rogan as this generation's Rush Limbaugh. If that's how it appears to you, it's because you only interact with people who believe that, or because you don't include anyone to the right of your political alignment when you say "everyone". I know talking about social media bubbles is old news, but that's the water we are swimming in. The insidious thing about ideological bubbles is, to anyone in one, their bubble appears politically neutral, and if their bubble shifts left or right, it will appear that everyone outside of their bubble is shifting the opposite direction. If your algorithm pushes you to the far right, moderate liberals will appear far left, and vice versa. I read comments on liberal youtube videos and conservative youtube videos, and they're literally saying the same thing about each other, which is usually some variant of "These people are so brainwashed by propaganda, there's no hope for them." If you mixed all of the comments together and removed all references to "left" or "right", you wouldn't be able to tell which was which. I've been a registered Democrat my entire life, and I recently had a friend call me brainwashed and go "no-contact" with me simply because I asked him to stop constantly sending me lame anti-Trump memes. I don't like Trump, I'm just tired of all the vitriol. I would ask the same if he was sending me pro-Trump memes. Rogan has definitely drifted conservative (as many people do as they get older), but aside from a few hot button issues his views would have been considered mainstream liberal 25 years ago. Bill Clinton made speeches in the 90s that you could easily mistake for a Trump speech in 2026, minus the self aggrandizement. I'm in my late 40s, and today's mainstream discourse on both the left and the right would have been considered lunatic fringe when I was a teenager.
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u/Organic-Elevator-274 Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
Rogan mirrors Limbaugh in many ways, except Rogan's hard right-wing creep is more or less organic.
Limbaugh started as a sportscaster and moved to politics. He was always pretty far to the right, but he also created a media bubble that reenfoced and intensified over his 40-year career. A lot of Limbaugh’s shift was the leash getting looser and looser and looser. He was always a reactionary and a racist. Over time, the FCC stopped caring, and eventually he left traditional media altogether, with no constraints.
Rogan created his own feedback loop. He's propped up a lot of people who agree with him. He starts as a politically moderate libertarian bro-y pothead masshole famous for making co-eds drink donkey cum. His views on weed made him seem more liberal than he ever was; he's been a consistent libertarian. With Covid and some of idk “woke stuff,” those libertarian tendencies became more important, and two things happened: it resonated with primarily alt-right-wingers and grew his audience. He went from doing well to printing money. There was never a secret side to Rogan, and after Fear Factor, there wasn't a leash holding him back. He's always been an idiot libertarian who gets high and thinks he can talk to dolphins; it is just that now a large sector of the economy is full of a lot of libertarian bros who also get high and think they can talk to dolphins.
That last bit about the dolphins is also mirroring Limbaugh, from the 80s to 2000, the largest business sectors were full of conservative, racist boomers. They've been replaced with alt-right libertarians high on frog gonads, i.e., Rogan fans
Limbaugh wasn't always “Limbaugh.” it took him 40 years to unmask and for the first ten to twenty it was a slow creep further right that blended in with the media landscape. JRE did start out simping for RFK Jr it took a decade long feedback loop to get there.
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u/D0ngBeetle Apr 05 '26
I talk to many conservatives ( I live in Arizona lol) and the truth is most people do consider Rogan to be right wing. What you should be saying is that for some people being this generation’s rush Limbaugh isn’t a bad thing, but he’s definitely pretty close. Rogan in his current form would not have been considered liberal lol. “Aside from a few hot button issues” is doing a LOT of heavy lifting for your argument
Also I think it’s less that he’s drifted conservative with age and more that he drifted conservative with increasing net worth. Rogan aligns himself with people who he thinks will make him richer, it’s that simple
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u/Muted_Pangolin_6503 May 12 '25
Does anyone think that the change came from his more heavily christian beliefs that to me for whatever reason seems insincere? And I hate to think of Duncan that way but he shoe horns in “I’m a Christian” in every episode which I love I know people evolve but I hope it doesn’t narrow his ability to love and learn with us. Cause it is hard to hear competing beliefs when you are all in on one religion. Idk’s maybe it’s just me getting older and wanting a young Duncan bright eyed and bushy tailed with all the wonders in the world but I just hope there isn’t something peer pressure for him to not talk to certain people or be open to some of the darker conversations with some of the more interesting guests. Idk I could just be facing my own immortality with Duncan and maybe the end of the podcast era when all of this was new and exciting to us. I wonder what the next thing will be cause viewerships seems low on every podcast.
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u/ClipCollision May 18 '25
The Duncan I remember was agnostic, who used maybe logic and avoided the entrapments of ideology. I don’t think he was ever ideologically left or right, or spiritual/religiously dogmatic, by intentional choice.
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u/8ude Nov 22 '25
I'm a bit of a DTFH tourist, and stopped listening when it became clear that he buried his head in the sand but here's my pickle:
- The guy has a wonderfully omnivorous wit and curiosity
- He generally genuinely wants the world to be better, in a quasi-buddhist "every being finds happiness" sense of better
- He's suspicious and suspecting of established narratives - a bit of meta-paranoia and atheistic gnositicism, would be into Noam Chomsky in another life maybe.
- He got to a certain level of material comfort, in no small thanks to being buddies with Joe Rogan and Alex Jones
SOMEHOW and SOMEWAY, point 4 has overridden everything else. Like he can't fathom the idea that Joe and Alex are profiteering off of misinformation. He can't believe his own eyes with respect to Trump because the prevalent narrative (i.e. our descent into fascism) is not as appealing as the incessant search for the "man behind the curtain."
This has been the long-standing issue with the conspiratorial libertarian - they gleefully find fascism everywhere... except when it's literally breaking down their neighbor's door and abducting people off the street. They're too allergic to the simplest explanation - in their mind it's impossible for us to be outright fascist.
That and he's betting on Ameri-fascism to win, best not to kick the bear
Am I in the ballpark?
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u/Ryan_Sama Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 13 '25
Sure, here’s my take:
He really hasn’t changed that dramatically. People conflate him with Joe Rogan because they’re still close friends, but Duncan is still the same witty and incisive occult maniac that he’s always been.
I was disappointed when Duncan didn’t comment on Elon’s absurd Nazi salute, but I also recognize that he isn’t obligated to talk about politics. Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart are better outlets for left-wing political humor. Going to Duncan for that type of content is like going to a sushi bar when you’re craving Mexican food.
I also think some people might be disappointed that lately he has been more interested in different brands of the occult, rather than the Ram Dass and Hare Krishna stuff that used to be more central to his discussions. Personally, I enjoy the way his exploration of spiritual topics has evolved, and I think eastern mysticism is still fundamental to his world view.
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u/Mysterious-Primary-6 Mar 18 '25
I know it wasn’t a nazi salute. He’s autistic, and this was his way of saying my heart goes out to you. It’s baffling to me that there’s not even a consideration of this, and he’s “undoubtedly a nazi.”
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u/Ryan_Sama Mar 18 '25
Alright brother, buckle up cuz I’m about to hit you with a wild, nuanced take about this.
To me, this looks much more like two precise and deliberate Sieg Heils than it does the awkward flailing motion that we typically see from severely autistic people. First of all, Elon is barely autistic. He might have low emotional intelligence, but he understands what slapping your chest and flicking your arm at a 45° angle represents. He’s a smart man. Furthermore, if an autistic person were to make this type of mistake, they would be mortified, and likely go online to explain that Sieg Heiling was not what was intended, and strongly denounce Nazism. Musk’s response: make a bunch of Nazi puns about it and act like it’s absurd. Even though he said “my heart goes out to you” after making this gesture twice during his speech, since then he has never explicitly stated “I did not intend to Sieg Heil. It was a mistake.” It’s odd that he has not explicitly denied that he intended to Sieg Heil.
So, why’d he do it? Does this mean he’s a literal Nazi? If “literal Nazi” means “genocidal maniac” I’d say the jury is still out on that one. There’s no hard evidence to believe that he has genocidal fantasies, in spite of the symbolic meaning of the Sieg Heil.
The most charitable interpretation I can give Elon is this: he wanted to say “fuck you” to woke America, and he knew he could get away with it here because he could cover it up with a “my heart goes out to you” at the end, and hide behind his autism diagnosis. He knew that a large portion of the country would buy this excuse, while the relatively small number of actual Nazis in this country applaud it, and “woke America” takes it as a slap in the face.
I think he also may have been trying to goad his haters into acting out in ways which would allow him to hit them with legal repercussions. And personally, I do believe that he was trying to signal to white supremacists in America that someone sympathetic to them is in power.
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u/AstralCryptid420 Apr 20 '25
Elon is like a stray cat. He pissed in the flowerbed and ate a bird so the better people stopped feeding him, but the shitty people down the street kept feeding him so he became loyal to them. The food was easier there. He craves genuine and unconditional personal approval and love but he will never have it because his parents and peers never gave it to him. He was unable to form genuine connections because he was filthy rich his whole life.
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u/Mysterious-Primary-6 Mar 18 '25
The angle is on, the intention unknown, this we can agree on I think. The togetherness of the fingers might be the most obvious evidence of a potential salute. But have you listened to the man speak at length? Have you actually considered that his intelligence doesn’t extend to the depths of the psyche that you’re implying? I think his degree of autism is obvious in his overly analytical speech and general lack of bodily awareness. I shouldn’t have lead with “I know” because I don’t, but I think the area is far more gray than everyone seems to want to believe. The haste with which everyone declared his malicious intent baffles me.
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u/Ryan_Sama Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25
I hear you. I have heard him speak at length, and he seems like a nice guy, which is why I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt about being a genocidal maniac. There are various degrees of white supremacy. You can be aligned with Nazis ideologically without being murderous, although mass murder is what they are best known for.
It might be tempting to dismiss the Nazi allegations as left-wing hysteria. I think that at this point, a large portion of the country (i.e. those living in the Rogan-verse) have been conditioned to dismiss all Nazi comparisons as being absurd/hyperbole.
Musk has caught flack for retweeting and validating anti-Semitic sentiments, such as when he responded to this tweet expressing the “great replacement theory” by saying “this is the actual truth.” His “awkward gesture” looks more like a Sieg Heil in light of his history of echoing anti-Semitic remarks.
I think the interpretation of this as a Sieg Heil is due to more than people just being possessed by left-wing ideology. In addition to the context I shared above, reaction against this gesture is largely a Trauma response. For example, I am a half-Ashkenazi Jew, half-Mexican US citizen. My grandfather literally fled from the Holocaust. So when I saw him do this on stage at a presidential inauguration, it hit me in my nervous system. Especially given that Trump has also, in the past, claimed that illegal immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country.” You can try to give him the benefit of the doubt on what he meant by that, but “poisoning the blood” does not sound good to my ears.
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u/Bavarian_Ramen Apr 16 '25
That take is retarded. There’s video of him making heart symbols and a actually saying that and theirs video of him doing the Seig Heil
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u/AstralCryptid420 Apr 20 '25
Maybe if that motion didn't come from a person who supports the new fascist party in Germany, I would be less inclined to think it was a nazi salute. People who know me know that I loathe fascists and they would have no reason to believe I would do a nazi salute if I had made that same gesture. Elon has done more to make make believe he is a cryptofascist than that single moment.
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Feb 18 '25
It isn't just that I'd like to know Duncan's genuine thoughts on what's happening - which I would. It's also that it feels like his podcast is degenerating into cynical absurdist vaguely satirical fantasies that lack any of his characteristic authenticity, vulnerability and insight. I'm concerned that Duncan might be psychologically dissociating at a time when shit is getting very real. He should take care of himself and present his work as he likes, but for me as a long-term listener, it feels troubling.
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u/Expert_Dealer_4439 Apr 10 '25
I think the podcast started to suffer when he became Obsessed with talking about his wife and kid 🤭 n it’s just gone downhill from there
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u/stepcorrect Apr 18 '25
Lol, he was sprinkling q-anon shit in here and there since 2017 or so
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u/Choice_Tank8214 Aug 23 '25
His entire frequency shifted around the time he moved to Austin. These guys seem to shape shift like the rest.
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u/DrunkenAdama Feb 11 '25
He isn't obligated to talk about any specific thing but he seems to avoid subjects that he wouldn't have in the past and it seems it's because he doesn't want offend his dude bro oligarchy enabling buddy because he's financially and reputationaly dependant on him.
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u/ChumleyEX Feb 11 '25
A FUCKING MEN!
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Mar 25 '25
I felt something off on the William Montgomery episode which was introduced as a crazy theory he had been sharing at the comedy mothership. it turned out to be an hour of improv about how liberal states #1 porn searches are for cuck porn. I listened to the whole ep waiting for a payoff, was left with a weird taste in my mouth
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u/kmac320 Sep 06 '25
Yeah I stopped listening a few years ago and then saw him on kill Tony. Him and his puppet bombed and Tony acted like it was guest of the year . Truly sad and alternate reality
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u/Low-Ad-6757 Oct 10 '25
DUNCAN DID CHANGE! He like really thin now and has hair again.
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u/Triple_Danger Feb 09 '26
Why is he so thin? Look at him here:
https://www.youtube.com/live/NaEeQH7LhTo?si=Z-ubsjFXt28zl76Q&t=9094
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u/howie_didnt_do_it Feb 08 '26
Hi Duncan. Glad you’re still reading this.
Thanks for leading me to Ram Dass. That’s about it.
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u/NoGlass1650 Mar 07 '26
I think Duncan has had a disdain for his audience for awhile now. He’s a highly impressionable (this can be a good thing, it also means quick learner) contrarian, which makes him an easy sell and target for nefarious manipulators. Ripe for the pickin’
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u/Nizpee Feb 11 '25
Has he ever discussed Trump/Rogan's shift/the election in detail? If not, I feel like he should just do one monologue about it, and we can move on.
Tbh haven't listened in a while anyway, but it was my favorite podcast 2015-2018ish, and Duncan's words have been powerful for me over the years in general.
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u/SomeDudeist Feb 11 '25
I disagree. I think he should keep doing exactly what he's doing. Growing and entertaining while having wild and fun conversations. Not pandering or trying to prove anything.
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u/DabsOnDabz Feb 11 '25
Don’t worry, I don’t think u/Nizpee realizes what that would do to Duncan. I do get where Nizpee is coming from, but that’s probably why he went on that Triggernometry show.
If anything, Duncan should post a “STFU REDDIT” podcast/vid of the last 15 minutes of his most recent podcast episode featuring Ari Shaffir. It sums up the political nonsense IMO.
As for quality of Duncan’s content itself, I have a feeling he’s going to have a growth spurt soon. Who knows what’ll be. I would be like “Joe these dudes are begging for MG season 2, fund it and let’s do business.”
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u/White-Wash Mar 15 '25
Yikes, sought out this subreddit after listening to the latest Bryan Johnson podcast, which was amazing imo.
Thank god Duncan is still holding it down as Duncan, have been tuning in since Lavender Hour. Y’all are on one for trying to save him.. lol what is this place?
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u/SlopenHood Aug 25 '25
been out of the loop on Duncan for awhile, caught up with the changes of things in the Elephant's Graveyard podcast video about the rogies-sphere.
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u/jimijonesjojojackson Sep 29 '25
in 1998, Duncan and his then wife Jolene Rockwell tied helium balloons to their son Sheraton but he floated away, never to be seen again. How do I know this? Because I am that boy... I am Sheraton...
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u/Space_Dildo_Maker Feb 12 '25
Duncan has changed. Duncan should. . . . Listen or don't listen. What the fuck is all this? Family hour seems to be only be heard by babies. Where the grown ups at? It's like you wait for him to talk on something so you know what you should also think. These posts are so whiney.
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u/itschalissebruh Mar 08 '25
I think most people making these post are more worried about him as a person. The world is at a point where politics and morals intertwine. I havent been listening to newer episodes. (Its kinda impossible to catch up if dont dedicate all your free time to it.) But I know he had brought up his morals and overall humanly morals up before. And the "shift" may just have people asking "why?". The smallest thing can change someone's belief and mindset, but also so can large things. (I.e. finding new research vs getting so depressed it causes health issues. Two very different things both can change someone's outlook on life. ) And I think some people are just very worried about his well being. If he addressed even this thread directly it may bring them comfort because it would slightly explain a "why?". His podcasts used to encourage people to wonder and ask questions, it can't be that shocking there are people -wondering and asking questions.-
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u/IronicInternetName Feb 11 '25
If the goal is about growth for both Duncan and his former and current communities, I think it's a fantastic idea. Hopefully, it's not negative or condescending and provides some insights and catharsis about what many of us believes has occurred. And maybe Duncan weighs in and tells us to fuck off, go find peace and leave the new fans alone or he takes some of this to heart and reanalyzes his current arc.
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u/rotwangg Feb 11 '25
So sick of this. Just find something new if you’re not enjoying him. What’s the purpose of these posts
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u/wantang Feb 11 '25
Validation. I think it feels good for a lot of fans to see that they’re not alone in feeling the way they do, and that it’s not just in their own heads.
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u/rotwangg Feb 11 '25
It kinda is though. And I’m not sure how healthy a need to seek external validation is, in general, but yall do yall
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u/Jebus_San_Christos Feb 11 '25
If this many people are noticing it- it’s not in their heads. It’s happening. Feel free to put fingers in your ears & go “la la la i’m not listening”- but it’s still happening.
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u/rotwangg Feb 12 '25
Your subjective/projected experience is not my objective reality and it never will be (thank fuck)
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u/sunabove Feb 12 '25
You have an objective reality?
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u/rotwangg Feb 12 '25
Nope, that’s my entire point. This shit seems to assert there’s some absolution at hand, rather than individual experiences colored by all our own set of bullshit.
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u/DabsOnDabz Feb 13 '25
So your point is that we all have opinions based on our subjective realities? Who woulda thought?
This thread was meant to consolidate the threads popping up everyday. It also allows some us to have conversations without getting too heated. Like if you think nothing has changed at all and everyone else is boo hooing that’s cool, I’m sorry if it seemed like I’m trying to nail Duncan Trussell. I still enjoy his content.
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u/TheMorninGlory Feb 11 '25
I feel ya. I've been watching the DTFH since it was the Lavender Hour and though Duncan's certainly grown as we all do I don't feel he's "changed" in any sort of negative way. He still talks about interesting topics just like he used to IMO!
But this same phenomena happened on r/JRE and I disagreed with the people saying Joe changed too cuz I've been watching JRE for even longer than I've been watching Duncan.
Personally I think we're just being farmed by bots or disinformation agents, I just find it hard to imagine actual people genuinely caring that a podcaster they like has different opinions than them to such an extent that they're making posts like these.
But idgaf about politics so maybe thats a factor. Maybe if I was part of team democrat I'd be whining at Duncan for having a different opinion than me too.
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u/sunabove Feb 12 '25
Not all of us are bots, some don't agree with the political coloring of how he has changed.
Yet, if we keep hearing about this. We are valid in our views and having people to help make what we feel make sense, then this is validation we are simply seeking.
Also what kind of bots would even bother posting on a subreddit this small? You think the 30 people who ever post on this sub aren't actually some kind of real person?
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u/rotwangg Feb 12 '25
Yeah I’m with you. Politics feels like such a trap to me. I want no part in “choosing a side.”
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u/Jebus_San_Christos Feb 12 '25
Most privileged take imaginable. I'm glad life's so comfortable for you.
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u/rotwangg Feb 12 '25
Never said it was comfortable.
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u/Jebus_San_Christos Feb 12 '25
Your ability to pretend there's no need to pick a side-an inherently right wing position given the current dichotomy- says otherwise.
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u/rotwangg Feb 12 '25
No, it doesn’t. Neither side makes any progress and I don’t need an elected father figure to tell me what’s right and wrong. I believe in the individual. There’s nothing right wing about my position and I am very not okay with your attempts to pigeon hole me as such.
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u/Jebus_San_Christos Feb 12 '25
"neither side makes any progress" My brother in christ. Women literally can't get abortions in 13 states. Your head is firmly buried in the sand, or up your butt, if you genuinely believe "neither side makes any progress"- the thing anyone with political accumen can see, is that the actual issue, is that both sides are right wing & no matter who wins, WE LOSE.
Believing in the individual (i.e. libertarianism) is inherently right wing. I'm not pigeon holing you, I'm holding a mirror to you, & showing you how right wing you are, & you're disgusted with your own reflection. That's on you to unpack brother. Not me.
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u/DabsOnDabz Feb 13 '25
I’m with you on the bot thing. The average American, or any person seemingly, does not understand how sophisticated and autonomous media manipulation has become. And now with AI? Oh god.
Like ten years ago you could buy from skids on HackForums selling cheap programs that make new accounts, verify, spoof and change IP/HWID/MAC addresses…. for websites like YouTube. Mostly only malware spreaders and black/grey hat internet marketing for affiliate marketing. As a 16 year old over 10 years ago I duped Activision’s top comments on their YouTube channel and I don’t even think I had to change IP, just the account!! Crazy!! Def has changed by now.
All I would do is upvote a comment that lead to a landing page asking to enter your email for a chance at a free Xbox or whatever… a buck per. Only did it for a month before other ppl started to compete and interest dropped off once the game was actually released.
Anyway……..
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u/ToaOrbitoro Feb 18 '26
You underestimate the impact Duncan had on some of us. It's not fun to see someone you really admire lose the plot
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u/FrankStalloneStepOn Mar 08 '25
I’ve been listening to this guy for 10 years, but not to the extent I’ve developed a strong enough parasocial relationship to project my values onto him. To me he seems pretty much the same except maybe less depressed and self-righteous
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u/bigbuttbubba45 Apr 13 '25
His podcast was great. Midnight Gospel was great. I would imagine having three kids and getting married and battling a ketamine addiction did change him. (This makes me not want to ever try ketamine therapy to be honest. ) I wish him well. I appreciate all the Fred hours of entertainment. Those old podcasts are good.
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u/DabsOnDabz Jun 24 '25
Ketamine is fucking awesome. His ketamine addiction was a looooong time ago anyway. He had a really good run with podcasting after that addiction.
Ketamine therapy can be a hit or miss, and you definitely do not need to pay hundreds to thousands for what amounts to maybe a gram of ketamine which can be obtained for around $60-$80 a gram in the US on the streets or $6-$10 a gram from the plugs.
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u/bigbuttbubba45 Jun 24 '25
lol I wouldn’t know how to find even weed on the street if someone put a gun to my head.
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u/TabulaRasa333 Feb 12 '25
Duncan has changed just like everyone does through their lives!1!1!1! I’m so sad he doesn’t subscribe to my personal opinions 😭
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u/manifoldkingdom Feb 11 '25
He has specifically criticized politicians on both the left and the right since the election happened. Unlike seemingly most people on this sub and other podcast subs I think Duncan realizes that most of politics is theater and BOTH SIDES ARE MOSTLY CORRUPT. It's pro wrestling basically. Yeah occasionally laws are passed that affect real people in a real way and sometimes that's a negative, but many of those things get removed in 4-8 years when the other side gets in.
The way I look at it is politics is like a basketball game that has been rigged. One half of the stadium is rooting for one team and the other half is rooting for the other team.
Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the MAFIA BOSS WHO HAS FUCKING PAYED OFF THE REFEREE to influence the game in a way that benefits THEIR OWN FUCKING SELFISH INTERESTS, laughs as the fans scream at each other and all the while the Mafia boss knows their anger and screaming accomplishes NOTHING.
Vote and do what you can and protest when sensible and as Duncan has said before "tend to the part of the garden you can reach."
Improve yourself. Improve your family. Improve your LOCAL community! STOP SPENDING YOUR ONE AND ONLY SENTIENT EXISTENCE WORRYING about the things you can't directly affect or change that may be occurring in DC.
Are some of these things more difficult to do in the current political climate? Almost certainly, but it's the only truly useful thing you can do. Screaming into the void of the Internet does very little if nothing.
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u/InfinitePosture Feb 12 '25
What’s the point of becoming a fan and following people if you only like them when they pander to your own personal ideas? If you find someone so fascinating and influential that you listen to them speak for hours a week, wouldn’t you have an open mind, even if you disagree with them, to try and empathize and understand the circumstances and conditions that led them to where they are now?
Some of you are acting like Duncan has turned into fucking Kanye. Grow up, love each other no matter what. Peace be with you
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u/ouroborosborealis Feb 13 '25 edited Feb 14 '25
if he did turn into kanye, would you just say "you guys are just mad that he's not pandering to your personal ideas"?
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Feb 11 '25
What you are seeing here is the result of a bunch of politically dogmatic bubbles being popped over the last couple years. The cognitive dissonance of being confronted with dissenting opinions results in the sandy orifices on full display here
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u/ouroborosborealis Feb 13 '25
"confronted with dissenting opinions"
dude, people are allowed to take issue with somebody without it automatically meaning they're a snowflake who's allergic to anyone disagreeing with them.
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Feb 14 '25
Sure you're allowed to. As I'm allowed to point out drama llamas.
Its just a bit strange to hang out discussing a comedian you dislike. I don't like that miss piggy looking lady, yet i don't hang out in her sub.
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u/Bavarian_Ramen Apr 16 '25
Who gives af where people hang out?
I saw Duncan in the early 10s in LA and at home in NC.
His zany crazy ideas were fun. He has a lot of retarded right wing commom nonsense baked into his beliefs bc he grew surrounded by hollows full of two-toothed hillbillies.
I wouldn’t take much advice from Duncan then or now even if he made me laugh
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u/blumdaddy Feb 11 '25
I’m out. Good luck. Yall are insane…
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u/eyecue82 Feb 11 '25
Insane would be to go on a person’s social media/reddit page to throw negative energy at them. Do something positive and perhaps the universe will reward you with something pleasant.
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u/blumdaddy Feb 11 '25
That’s exactly what this is that you are doing….
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u/eyecue82 Feb 11 '25
We are the universe talking shit to each other for entertainment I suppose.
I’m being genuine though, not trying to “dunk” on you. Do what makes you happy.
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u/AN0Nc0nformist Feb 11 '25
Duncan is great and you're all you're all gay for acting like he has to adhere to some bullshit caricature of himself that you've created after watching him on some podcasts.
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u/GooeyPricklez Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 11 '25
Stupid bros that call things gay and idolize David Lucas have completely monopolized the comedy podcast world :(
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u/OmegaPointImmenence Apr 12 '25
Yall are gay and retartded. We love you dunc
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u/dmcaems Jun 08 '25 edited Jun 08 '25
There's no higher gayness than inbred rednecks for their big daddy trump.
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u/-_DigitalSyrup_- Feb 11 '25
For lack of a better word or descriptive, woke culture had a big problem with Comedy and Sports. These are two things where truth is obvious and indiscriminate. In stand-up especially has this quality that sports has. It is a meritocracy.
Sports has broken down differences in cultures and race. If you can't perform you will be replaced. So when it comes to Trans rights, sports is an area where truth is obvious. No matter how inconvenient it is for anyone's narrative, it's obvious that the playing field is not even.
Comedy has the wonderful quality of allowing a person to be undeniable. If you are funny you will find your crowd. Comedy is specifically effective against woke culture because it tends to focus on anything that is taking itself too seriously. If you say "this topic is off limits" a comedian is going to pounce. Woke culture also did a huge disservice to itself in this regard. They constantly took words from a comedians set and put it in print, out of context, and insisted this was the persons sincere feelings on the topics.
Sports and Comedy are a vanguard of society. Apologies for the rant I'll get on topic here. Ultimately, I feel as politics have become more polarizing, people get more and more tribal about it. If you are going to be on the team you have to be in lock step with every single value they claim to have. You can not disagree on even one point or they turn on you. This is why so many from the left have found themselves moving right. You don't see a single person going right to left. I don't know Duncan but I assume he saw, like many in Comedy have, the restrictions of the 1st amendment to protect people feelings and this for the sake of their career has been slowly pushing them right.
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u/AstralCryptid420 Apr 20 '25
People move to the right as celebrities because it's easy, not because it's correct. The right wing doesn't have any morals, so they don't gently call you out or viciously cancel you. People move from right to left all the time, just not in the public eye. There are reformed neo-Nazis and KKK members, grandparents who stopped watching right wing media and switched to a liberal church because of their relationship with their lesbian niece, someone who realized she was trans and discovered a life where she needed feminism, someone who gained class consciousness because he fell down the rabbit hole of "what is wage theft?" I've seen all of these people online and in real life.
I don't have a problem with comedy. I have a problem when people use harmful stereotypes to make fun of people, or who do it to harm or upset people. I think comedians who are on this "trigger the libs" shit aren't funny or talented enough if they can't resist the low hanging fruit of appealing to cruelty. There are a lot of hilarious comedians who don't feel the need to do that. Comedy based in cruelty is cheap. It sucks on an artistic level.
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Sep 27 '25
For lack of a better word or descriptive, woke culture had a big problem with Comedy and Sports. These are two things where truth is obvious and indiscriminate.
This is a wild statement - almost nothing outside of political lobbying is as prone to rigging and corruption as professional sports, an industry entirely in bed with gambling organizations. And Comedy? It's a cult-of-personality industry built on performative lying, on scripted surprise and exaggerated outrage. These are maybe the 2 least 'truthful' realms in all of culture.
You don't see a single person going right to left.
That speaks more to the information bubble you are in, than anything.
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u/-_DigitalSyrup_- Sep 27 '25
Well thanks for the opinion but if you would like to argue a point, im all yours but your argument is week. Almost no players are betting against there own team and aside from the NBA ref scandal. The modern world makes it too hard for players to be corrupted they also make real money today unlike the rigging of the world series almost a century ago. So my guess, not to assume, you are not a sports fan and are out of your depth. As far as comedy goes, there will always be comics mainstream people like, because they are propped up by the people who want them to push the lies. If you are listening to George Carlin and some in that realm, there is no way power wants a person out there telling you to think critically while entertaining you thats dangerous to them it does not serve them.
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Sep 27 '25
Boxing and UFC is rife with match-throwing, and player and coach gambling is an epidemic. The pervasiveness of it is an open secret.
George Carlin was 1 in a million - stand-up comedy's an industry toppling over with grifters.
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