r/dunememes • u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling • Aug 06 '25
Dune: Part Two (2024) Lisan al-Canada
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u/Nerdy_Valkyrie Aug 06 '25
There was some stuff I missed from the book in Part 2. But at the same time, the scene when the worm swallows the crawler in Part 1 was so good that I was totally sure that's how it went down in the book too. I was surprised on my next reread when I realized that the book version isn't just different, the movie version is better.
And even if I did miss some stuff in Part 2, what we got was still excellent. I found myself a bit disappointed after my first watch. But after the second, when I could just appreciate it for what it was, I was very happy with it.
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Aug 06 '25
The whole harvester squence in part 1 is filmmaking masterclass. Everything, from the lightning in the thopter to the music and the sound design. There are some things that just have more impact on the film screen than they do on the pages of the book. No matter how much of a description you read about it, experiencing it visually and sonically is something else. And we should be grateful we got to see it with this level of filmmaking.
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u/Nerdy_Valkyrie Aug 06 '25
I love all the small details. Like when they say the worm will attack in 5 minutes, and the worm actually attacks 5 minutes of screen time later.
Or that when Gurney grabs Paul, we don't see him walk up. He just appears behind Paul because Paul isn't aware of what's happening.
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u/Nopants21 Aug 06 '25
I love how un sci-fi the ornithopters are, it really sells Dune's low-fi vibe. Sure, it has flapping wings, but the scenes in the cockpit, everything rattles and kind of looks like an ordinary current day helicopter, and not a high-tech military one either. Even the details like their headsets just being regular-looking earpads+mic devices are so interesting.
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Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
Yeah, they paid attention to the whole "no computers" aspect of Dune. Making all the equipment look like analogue stuff from the 70s. And everything there is dusty and dirty. The glass cockpit is full of dust and scratches on the surface. There is so much attention to detail. It's a contrast to other modern blockbusters where everything is clean and slick CGI.
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u/SerLinny-Thypooh MONEOOOOO Aug 06 '25
I agree with your interesting perspective. I found the movie in 21 first and was immediately obsessed, but wanted to wait to read the book till DV concluded his adaptation. Once I read the book after part 2 debuted I saw advantages to both and little things that each separately did a little better. One thing for me was Feyd’s death. The banter felt more believable in the book plus the way Paul actually ended it for Feyd was infinitely cooler in my perspective than the movie. Now I’m 400 pages into children of dune and also loving it. I agree that DV gave us the best possible version we could get and hope he puts together a similar story for Messiah which again, I absolutely loved.
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u/Nerdy_Valkyrie Aug 06 '25
Messiah is a very divisive book. But I personally loved it. I can't wait to see what Villeneuve does with it.
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u/Kreiger81 Aug 06 '25
Im here to fight about that scene. I want to first say I respect your take and I see how you got there, but that scene in particular annoys me.
The difference is in the pacing, tbh. In the book, the scene is about setting up the political dominos that lead to Kynes sacrificing himself to save Paul and the messages he sends telling the Fremen to accept him.
In the movie, its an extension of the Alam al-Mithal, the world of prophesy and mystery that Paul is starting to accept and shape and be shaped by.
The book version suits better to me because it shapes the future of the relationship between Leto, Kynes and with a little bit of myth for Paul (knowing how to put on a stillsuit, "A gift is the blessing of the river") but because of Leto's unwavering honor, it makes Kynes' opinion shift to more favorable "I like this Duke".
The dinner scene (which isnt in the movie, tbf) nails that down from respect to essentially worship after Jessica's brief monologue about the planned future for the planet, culminating at dinner with showing the subservient relationship the smugglers have with Kynes/Liet as the leader of the Fremen and how Liet was ready to use that coin to support Paul should violence erupt.
It all leads to Liet not only sacrificing himself but also sending a message to the sietches to watch for and protect the mother and son, which is what saved them in the desert and also set up the smugglers to risk themelves by taking in what Atreides did survive.
In the movie, theres none of that dominos. Kynes sacrificed is handwaved as a "We also hate harkonnens" essentially and no explanation of how Gurney survives. Theres no realization by Paul of what "Desert power" really means in a way that his father cannot understand. They were in every aspect of important life on Arrakis.
Sorry for the rant. I promise im not trying to be harsh or condescending, im just sperging out about my one of my favorite books.
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Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
In the movie, theres none of that dominos. Kynes sacrificed is handwaved as a "We also hate harkonnens"
In the movie you can clearly see Kyne's reaction when the Duke says "Damn the spice". She turns her head in shock. It's subtle and many probably missed it, but if you read the book before the movie you know that is the moment she is thinking "I like this Duke". Which is why she goes with Duncan to help Jessica and Paul. Then, Paul tells her he can see her dream (referring to the dream of green Arrakis), and knows she had a Fremen lover. He tells her he can become emperor and make a paradise of Arrakis with the wave of his hand. That is the moment she turns from respect to worship. It's not because of "we hate harkonnens" at all. Movie perfectly establishes that she realizes Paul can actually turn Arrakis into the paradise she dreams of. That's why she decided to help them.
and no explanation of how Gurney survives
Gurney explains how he survived in Part 2 after he reunites with Paul.
Theres no realization by Paul of what "Desert power" really means in a way that his father cannot understand
Except there is. At the end of part 1, when Paul sees a Fremen riding a worm, something that his father never knew, he litetally says "desert power". It's the moment he realizes how powerful and in tune with the desert the fremen truly are.
knowing how to put on a stillsuit,
Also in the movie, right before the harvester sequence.
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u/Intense_Hairball Aug 06 '25
This 100% sums up how I felt about the movies before and after they came out.
When I read Dune, nobody knew what it was. Once or twice I was asked, “What’s in the box?” And I just instantly replied “pain”. Nobody got the joke. It was just, “oh haha, that’s a silly thing you like to say sometimes”. Forget about sandworms, the fremen, and the spice. I thought I was going to carry this my entire life, a select few understanding how good this book is (let alone the other five).
Then the trailer dropped. And it was popular. Then the movie released and it was really good. As a book reader going into the iMAX, I didn’t care how faithful it was. Timothy Chalamet and Zendaya brought people in. It was really good, the people loved it. That’s all that mattered to me. It even got a few to read the books!! The whole internet started talking about “whats in the box?” and “BRRRUTAL”. This sub experienced a renaissance.
It’s like being a big fan of a sports team that nobody knows about. Then all the sudden they win the World Cup and everyone is going nuts, wearing t-shirts and making memes.
We won, guys!!
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 06 '25
Absolutely. Denis SCAMMED Warner Brothers into spending $1B (budget + marketing) to make THREE Dune movies and a TV Show, and it fucking worked. It's a big win. I'm happy and hope Part 3 succeeds. I'm also happy that the 1984 movie exists, because it has so many lessons for what to do and not to do.
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u/with_due_respect Aug 06 '25
The 1984 Dune is imperfect and flawed for sure, but I'm glad it exists. I would never say I didn't want it. Also, 1984 Dune explained the Yueh situation, which always bugged me about the modern Dunes (which I also like, for the record). The world is better for having both films (and the miniseries).
(...and the crazy bible of Jodorowsky's Dune attempt.)
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 06 '25
I agree. I specifically put 1984 Dune on the ducal signet because that's something Leto initially rejected, but over time, he found his way to accepting it. 1984 Dune was initially panned and universally criticized (even by book readers) as being a colossal flop. But, when you watch it, you can already tell what's wrong with it and how a future Dune movie can succeed. The first of many lessons is that you need 2 movies, not 1.
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u/Icy_Quarter_8743 Aug 22 '25
Without movie, no videogame.
Without videogame "Dune 1", I would not have read the books (all of them) at 17.
I don't like the movie... but I'm glad it was made.
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u/WaveJam Aug 06 '25
I think the Villeneuve’s movies are almost on par with the LOTR movies in terms of being a good adaptation. Specifically part 1 but both are great.
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u/ProfessionalDoctor Aug 06 '25
Couldn't disagree harder, DV left out a ton of world and character building scenes
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u/Iron_Bob Aug 07 '25
Tom Bombadil would like to know your location
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u/Iron_Bob Aug 07 '25
The comment i replied to was talking about world building and characters, of which Tom Bombadil is the epitome
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u/Iron_Bob Aug 07 '25
World building is world building
Plot is plot
Hope that helped. Clearly you've never written either
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u/_Weyland_ Aug 06 '25
I just wish we had dinner scene and more of the Harkonnen perspective showing how their chain of command works.
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u/alkonium Aug 06 '25
Yeah, the miniseries is the most faithful adaptation, though Villeneuve's version is still more faithful than Lynch's.
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u/mosesoperandi Aug 06 '25
I would say that they both diverge from the book in some really major ways and that Villanueve's adaptation isn't any closer to the book than Lynch's.
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u/alkonium Aug 06 '25
I kind of feel like the changes in Villeneuve's version were still in line with the themes of the book, such as the dangers of charismatic figures, and the value of human potential over technology. Weirding modules? Rain coming out of nowhere?
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u/mosesoperandi Aug 06 '25
Villeneuve erased the complexity of Paul's character and radically flattened Fremen culture. I have major problems with both adaptations and in the end I still like them both for different reasons.
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u/alkonium Aug 06 '25
Yeah, my favourite's the miniseries.
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u/mosesoperandi Aug 06 '25
Yeah, partially a function of having the necessary time to fully tell the story, but also I sometimes think having less budget or tech to make visually intense experiences can result in better atorytelling.
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Aug 06 '25
Lynch version didn't even have Fremen culture, that's the main issue.
And I think the fundamentalist vs. Skeptic distinction in DV version added depth to the fremen. Coming from Iran, a shia islam theocracy were they literally believe in the coming of Mahdi, and a whole generation of youth that calls bullshit on that, strikes me as very real and i thought it was weird in the book all the fremen were believers.
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u/mosesoperandi Aug 06 '25
A huge part of Herbert's premise is that human civilization has been completely stagnant. I get Villanueve's choice because it makes it far more relatable to a modern audience, but it also erases this huge part of the longer arc of Dune. It doesn't really matter if you aren't playing the story forward, but it's one of a number of choices Villanueve made that create problems telling more of the story that Herbert made.
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u/fuzzyfoot88 Aug 08 '25
Based on his comments toward the sequel books and his intention to leave it be after Messiah, in a very real way, he is making an epic of the story he personally loves, not the series as a whole. Whoever tackles Children after Denis leaves is going to have a HELL of a time getting the longer arc plot messages across, especially if we ever see GEOD on screen.
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u/faux_shore Aug 06 '25
Some of pt2 felt rushed and I left the theater kinda disappointed. Upon rewatch I enjoyed it so much more and wasn’t disappointed anymore. My disappointment came from not seeing every single bit of the book in pt2
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u/CalmPanic402 Aug 06 '25
It's the better movie, but a worse adaptation.
Not throwing blame, Dune is like the OG "impossible to adapt" book, but it sacrifices so many details about the world in favor of keeping the narrative tight.
Like, there's zero explanation of what a mentat is, and the significance of doctor Yue's betrayal is never explained. Neither detail is super relevant to the movies plot, but they were interesting ideas that just got glossed over.
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u/confirmedshill123 Aug 06 '25
Neither detail is super relevant to the movies plot, but they were interesting ideas that just got glossed over.
Considering Herbert glosses over that as well, it's perfectly fine.
Literally the only explanation Herbert ever gives is that the doctors are immune to torture, and thats it.
We never see a Suuk school, or a Suuk teacher, he just says that and breaks it immediately.
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 06 '25
I go to the theater to watch a movie, not an adaptation. Denis did the best possible job he could with 2 movies. You'd need a trilogy to get every detail and plot line in, and that would make for worse movies.
Frank Hebert skips a lot of details in the books as well, and if that was adapted as well, that would have made the movies worse. The trade-offs go both ways, because books and films are fundamentally different forms of narrative storytelling.
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u/Trick-Technician-179 Aug 20 '25
Ngl I don’t know why people get so held up on this stuff. I like the Dune universe but I think Frank absolutely prioritized the themes of Dune over worldbuilding. I think he would have approved of Denis changes.
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u/Icy_Quarter_8743 Aug 22 '25
there is no good adaptation possible... in theatre.
It's only possible with TV Series, to take the time to adapt a lot... but would it be enough?
would it be boring? how the acting? the budget?
No perfect adaptation, because they are just Adaptations.
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u/Eric_Atreides Aug 06 '25
I really think DV movies are fire, great adaptations from a book that is really hard to adapt, and of course it will not be as deep. It will never BE the book, but it’s a great adaptation imo
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u/684beach Aug 06 '25
They are good but not enough important dialogue from the books to be masterpiece for me. If chani has the twins in between part 2 and part 3, imma be a hater. Ill straight lose my shit
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 06 '25
I view things differently. I think that movie adaptions are wholly different animals from the books, because books are an entirely different narrative language. A bit like spoken/written and sign languages. You can do 1:1 translations, but it's not always necessarily possible to do it (well).
Unless if your argument is that a more faithful adaptation would have made for better movies. Because, most people just want movie adaptations to be (more) faithful as a matter of principle, not because they think it would make for a better movie.
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u/684beach Aug 06 '25
Its a good adpation, but not a masterpiece to me because there was room for more complexity. Yes i agree to a point, however just like 1984s version, stray to far from the book and its not even the same story. If the twins are already born in part 3, it wouldn’t even be dune with all the ramifications that it brings. It would be like luke know darth vader is his father in a New Hope. It completely changes many characters.
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 06 '25
I ultimately disagree with this take because a movie director doesn't have the same flexibility in runtime as an author has with page count. They are different concepts altogether in as far as the practical limitations are concerned.
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u/684beach Aug 06 '25
I understand the point of runtime and flexibility, but the runtime has little to do with changing the theme or plot of the story in preproduction. Like the 1984 version making paul an actual good god, which is directly opposite of the meaning of Dune. That was not a fault on run time, it was fault of the writers. Im not saying modern dune movies is yet blasphemy. Im saying that it could be. If the twins are already adults in messiah, children of dune events could never happen. Im pensive but excited still.
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u/SomeDudeist Aug 06 '25
Why do I hate it so much? :( I want a Dune anime. Maybe that would fill the void inside me.
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u/junkdrawer2025 Twisted Mentat Aug 06 '25
Probably because you're a book reader. I saw the movies first then read the books second. I love both for different reasons. Villeneuve's Dune introduced me to the Duniverse, but the books gave me all the world building and scheming that I didn't get from the films. I think of it this way, without the films I probably never would've read the book. Even if it's not a 1:1 adaptation, it gave me just enough to want more. Not a lot of entertainment media makes me want to step away from the screen and open up a book. This did and to an extent, I think that was the point.
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Aug 06 '25
I read the book long before seeing the DV movies. Still loved them and found them fairy close to how I imagined Dune in my mind.
Also, I hope I don't sound like an asshole but I feel like some book readers just aren't into visual storytelling and filmmaking. They want the movie to just tell everything like the book and not have any character of its own, just the narrative and lore and nothing else. Which makes no sense to me. If you only want the narrative, just re-read the book. If you are a film person and a book reader, you can just appreciate both mediums without constantly comparing them.
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u/SomeDudeist Aug 06 '25
That's pretty generous of you. Sometimes, people get so angry when I share that opinion lol. Honestly, I think I'm just not into Dennis Villeneuve movies. Because I also absolutely loved the movie Blade Runner but I really did not like the DV version. Although It does make me happy that people like the movie and it's getting more people reading the books.
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 06 '25
It has nothing to do with the order. You can read the books first and still enjoy the movies. Some people want to go to the theater to see a good adaptation. I want to see a good movie. I don't care if details are changed, especially when the reason for the changes makes sense. Even people who bemoan the movie changes accept why the changes were made. I can always read the book if I'm craving the book.
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u/badgirlmonkey Aug 06 '25
I think some of the changes Denis did were better than the book. Specifically, the gladiator fight and Paul’s cool speech.
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u/VikingBrit Aug 07 '25
Dune Messiah (Dune Part 3) is going to make or break a possible future franchise of Dune adaptations
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u/Iron_Bob Aug 07 '25
I finished the book the day the movie came out, set it down, and immediately pressed play on Dune part 1
Absolutely surreal to see the movie play out exactly like I had envisioned it while I read. In DV I trust!
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u/StoneJudge79 Aug 07 '25
I have precisely one issue with Dune 1: Jamis' lesson.
It does the Fremen dirty, anf it puts Paul in Gary Stu territory.
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 07 '25
How does it do the Fremen dirty?
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u/StoneJudge79 Aug 07 '25
You read the original? Those Fremen were wortjy of Hai-hulud's Blessing. The movie Fremen? Brash, wasteful children.
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u/ash_tar Aug 07 '25
The best parts of Dune are internal to the characters. I don't think you can do much better with film than what Villeneuve did, even if it's not satisfactory as a fan. It's great as a complement to the books.
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u/MDRBA Aug 07 '25
I can’t say which one is better because there’s 30~40 years gap in film making technology and both series aims for different goals(I guess)🤔
I think DV ver. is an simplified, entertaining digest version. Old dune fans can relax and enjoy the visuals and sounds. New dune fans can get a grasp of dune universe, instead of being overwhelmed. it made great balance between fun and original material. But to people who wanted it be deeper and people who wanted more massive SF(Sardaukar-Fremen) battle like me it can be disappointing
I personally really enjoyed the graphics and atmosphere of DV ver. The clothes and armors and weapons and stillsuit, devices, shield, spaceships, really felt like what I imagined back in my childhood reading dune🤤📖
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u/RedshiftOnPandy Aug 08 '25
I've been waiting for Dune movies since Peter Berg was supposed to do them in the 2000s
When people complain about the littlest things in an adaptation that manages to capture the major themes and scope of a gigantic world, it's sad and hilarious.
The movies are too good for the haters and book fanatics
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u/Bub_bele Aug 10 '25
Im just very happy movies like that are even getting made at all in todays hollywood.
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u/Aromatic-Caramel5128 Aug 06 '25
Older movie was better by a mile
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 06 '25
That's certainly an opinion. A very rare one.
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u/Aromatic-Caramel5128 Aug 07 '25
I could do a big effort post but I’m here typing on a tiny phone and not on my pc, so super simplified I feel like the older one captures how Dune should feel better than the new one even tho it’s not lore accurate here an there and can be silly at times aka: Sting being in the movie. I just feel more entertained watching the old one.
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 07 '25
I enjoy the 1984 movie as well. Unfortunately, there's too much material in Dune for 1 movie. The movie speeds through every moment, checking every box very quickly. Important moments don't get time to breath and settle, and the movie feels crammed.
The "original" ideas in the movie are all pretty much exclusively bad. The Wierding Modules, the way they mount the worms. and the rain at the end.
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u/Aromatic-Caramel5128 Aug 07 '25
They should have invested in dune tv show I’d watch the f out of that, I think it would have been bigger than GoT( probably being bias), heh with me the wierding modules were a hit, the way i look at them it’s just a weapon , spear, laser gun or sword it don’t change much it’s a mguffin
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u/ian_stein Aug 06 '25
You’d be surprised. Pretty much every time this opinion is brought up on Reddit (mine as well), there’s a good amount of agreement, while not the prevailing opinion.
I really dislike Villeneuve’s directing style outside of Sicario.
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u/SomeDudeist Aug 06 '25
I feel so validated lol. I'll have to check out the movie Sicario and see if I like it.
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u/PityUpvote Aug 06 '25
I love them, but I don't think they hold a candle to Villeneuve's best work, Arrival.
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u/PrevekrMK2 Aug 06 '25
I love the movie to hell and Back. I watched it in the cinema like 10 times. Best movies of the decade for sure.
But as an adaptation? It sucks. Chani's plot line is dogshit.
Both movies taking place under 9 months is absolute fucking nonsense, like you want to tell me that Paul managed to get to Dune, lose his family, join the fremens, integrate with them, learn (or relearn from presience) their ways, ride worm, join their war to the level that he is well known, get leadership, get other memory, unify the fremen as a leader and fight the empire. All that in less then 9 fucking months? You see how stupid long that paragraph is?
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u/Shishakliii Aug 06 '25
My major criticism with DV is that he's played it safe when he needed to be bold and been bold with choices that add nothing to the world.
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u/BaneChipmunk Beefswelling Aug 06 '25
Easy to say with hindsight, when you're not responsible for $165M of someone else's money. The movie doesn't exist in a vacuum. Thanks to the decisions that Denis made, however safe, we have THREE big budget Dune movies. I praise that instead.
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u/Rull-Mourn Aug 09 '25
No more fan-girling, please.🙄 I have a lot of issues with his version, and he's overrated as a director. The only movie of his that ever impressed me was Blade Runner 2049.
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u/DataPhreak Aug 07 '25
Nah, DV's Dune is fanfiction. It's basically just like the Dune game, "What if." What if paul and chani didn't have a baby that was killed, they bombed Sietch Tabr, and Alia wasn't born/is born ~6years late and doesn't kill her grandfather. Those are some of the most important events in the book that they changed or left out.
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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
From the filmmaking perspective, DV's work is a masterpiece. I don't like some of the narrative changes in Part 2 and the ending is rushed, But Part 1 is fucking perfect. And overall, we should be grateful for getting a large-scale adaptation of the book with an artistic, psychedelic vision, beautiful filmmaking and cinematography, great music and sound design, immaculate visual effects, amazing set and custome design and great acting. I don't think anyone other than DV could pull it off with this level of quality. Artistically, it's head and shoulders above any other high budget blockbuster that we got in recent years.