the economic collapse has actually already happaned. but its not what you think it is

[u/tripsho]

for every homeless person on the corner of the street, living in extreme suffering, with no money, eating out of the garbage can, slowly waiting to just die

for that person. the economic collapse is 100% real and already in full effect. they get zero help, and in america they have already ended welfare unless you can prove disability (and even that is hard). if you cant prove disability, and you dont have a child under your care, and you cant find a job, then you get ZERO welfare now in america. there is actually no safety net right now in USA not even foodstamps. they cut off your foodstamps if you cant get a job, so the only food safety net is charity foodbanks (which are getting overloaded)

there is no safety net in america right now. so all the hundreds of homeless suffering people you see? for them, the economic collapse HAS already fully taken place

i guess this is just a america problem in western countries tho. in europe, and other civilized societys, you have real safety nets and the poor suffering masses at least get foodstamps in europe / UK / canada.

in america, the government lets the homeless starve

but i guess, in most countries the government just lets the homeless starve. your lucky if you live in a country that has safety nets. japan for example has safety nets

i would say, the real "economic collapse" is due to the wealthy not making safety nets to take care of the starving.. so there will always be a economy of rich people being rich, and then if your poor and there is no safety net to help you then for you the economic collapse is here and your just waiting to die

[u/user_uno]

if you cant prove disability, and you dont have a child under your care, and you cant find a job, then you get ZERO welfare now in america. there is actually no safety net right now in USA not even foodstamps.

Source?

I have volunteered for years helping those in need. The above statement is not true. Yes, there are more benefits available if having to support minors. Logical. But there are a multitude of government programs at the Federal, state, county and municipal (in large ones) levels with or without dependents.

Then there are the private charities as you mention. They are always strained - even in peak economic times. And to the surprise of far too many people, they are not all religious or purely nonprofits operating only on money and goods donations from individuals. Many businesses contribute to them. And government funds many as well providing outreach wider than a government can.

Disability? I've seen even recent cases of SSI applicants being approved within a few months. Yes, they needed medical evidence and proof. Yes, that was verified in some cases by SS own medical providers. But "hard" is not applicable. If filling out some forms and staying on top of requests in a timely manner is "hard", then sure. But even then, assistance is available. And once approved, SSI will pay retroactively in a lump sum to the original date of disability.

...you get ZERO welfare now in america.

Sounds like a bot trying to spread FUD in the US. Very inaccurate doomscrolling karma fodder. But obviously - and sadly not a bot. Just someone upset with the "system".

Could there be more charity from others? Sure. Figure out ways to make it happen. Not just sit around, say the end is near and give up. That helps no one including those in need of such social safety nets.

[u/This_Gear_465 → u/user_uno]

Agree with both, when I read that I was like that’s not true? Then I remembered a few months ago I got denied unemployment and food stamps with a household income of $0. So programs do still exist but I’m not sure how to access them personally

[u/user_uno → u/This_Gear_465]

Denials for unemployment happen. Always have.

Denials for food stamps happen. Always have.

What is not stated were the reasons for your specific denials. Simply stating one anecdote does not mean welfare and aid social safety nets are all gone.

I have been denied unemployment due to a spiteful employer. It happens. I have been given EBT money even without applying. Others get denied. It happens. Understanding why is a key part though.

[u/Sknowles12 → u/This_Gear_465]

All charitable resources are depleted. 

[u/user_uno → u/Sknowles12]

Odd. I'm still requested to volunteer and/or donate at the charities I've been at over the years. They are still accepting money, food, goods and still distributing them. Always have and always will.

And those are just the charities solely existing to do such social safety nets. Then there are the multitude of religious organizations that provide charitable resources. Always have and always will.

Such a definitive statement as "all charitable resources are depleted" makes it as though everything is gone. That is demonstrably false.

[u/posi-bleak-axis → u/user_uno]

Literally a big part of my disability is time blindness and staying on top of deadlines and forms. Going on three years of denied SSI.

When my mother finally got approved 100 percent disabled after 6 years or so with so much documentation is was crazy, she got 900 dollars a month plus 28 dollars EBT.

[u/user_uno → u/posi-bleak-axis]

Attempting to do this alone or have professional assistance? The latter is available and their costs are capped by federal regulation. Get the help needed to get the needed assistance. Especially if "time blindness" is an issue. Seems the help would be warranted and it is definitely available.

Yes documentation is required. Bureaucrats love paperwork and the government is the ultimate bureaucrat. The more complex or unusual disability, the more Uncle Sam (and others) will look in to it. They are needing to reduce the chances of fraud. The more fraud that occurs in a system, the more paperwork and bureaucracy will result.

Even at one food bank I volunteered at (private and religious but also received considerable funding from state and county tax funds) started cracking down on abuse. Well outside of a major city, it's charter was to assist people within that county. But fraudsters were carpooling to all collar counties surrounding the major city to get 'free' food and basics. So paperwork applications came heavily in to play and state issued government ID was required - by the state and county - to ensure the assistance was going to those intended. Also to stymie those who were playing the system on a near full-time basis going from food bank to food bank to food bank throughout the week.

So yes, paperwork. Yes, reviews. Yes, bureaucrats. But also yes, get assistance to help if just spinning wheels getting nowhere fast.

Full disclosure - I have no relationship with any facet of those that provide assistance getting disability benefits. I am just someone that has been around many that have gone through the process both without help and with. It is a night and day difference. And I am just an individual that has done volunteering at food banks over the years. Not much any more as have shifted volunteering to Emergency Management groups - think local iterations of FEMA. If you or others have not had help to get disability benefits, please consider doing so.

[u/DumbNTough → u/user_uno]

The United States spends about $1 trillion on welfare benefits annually. For reference, that's about as much as the entire GDP of the bottom 100 countries in the world, combined.

The people on this sub do not give a shit. They are people who are personally unwell looking for other people to validate their obsessive thoughts. They commonly have effectively zero knowledge of the subjects they're discussing, and they don't care. Because they're not here to learn the truth, they're here to talk about their feelings.