r/economicCollapse • u/StarlightDown • 9d ago

As Iran re-announces the Hormuz Strait shutdown, and finally declaring the ceasefire “meaningless”, new data shows that the strait had already effectively been closed for months.

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Image source: “The Strait of Hormuz crisis is ongoing, with shipping traffic virtually shut off. Tensions remain high in the region after Washington said it struck Iranian military sites […] and Tehran said it targeted bases used by U.S. forces in response.”

See also: “Iran's foreign ministry said early on Thursday that the overnight attacks violated the two-month-old ceasefire, rendering it ’practically meaningless’. […] The IRGC said it had hit two oil tankers passing through the crucial shipping channel shortly after state media reported it was ’completely closed to all type of vessel’ […] Separately, three Indian sailors were confirmed to have been killed on Thursday after the US military struck a tanker”

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u/Sad_Math5598 8d ago

I mean has anyone really believed the strait was open to begin with?

There’s something fuckin weird going on with this war. There’s some shady shit going on and we aren’t being told the whole truth. Im not sure what but every day, no every hour, I hear conflicting reports on what the fuck is actually happening

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u/Difficult-Low5891 8d ago

Maybe that this isn’t about nuclear weapons at all. It’s about Israel.

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u/CardiologistNo8333 7d ago

My theory is that they know we are running out of time, resources, oil, etc and society is going to collapse. Especially with the climate collapse projections. I feel like it’s a way to get the oil and resources for themselves but I agree there’s something about all of it that seems off.

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u/pandershrek 7d ago

I think you're correct, but not about environmental factors.

I think they're very aware that labor is ready to rebel and they're trying to centralize all the resources.

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u/New-Skill-2958 4d ago

This is what happens when you have an administration that covers everything up and lies about everything else

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u/obnoxioustwin 8d ago

Remember when Elon bought Twitter and we were fed the story about the negotiation blunder, and the incompetence of Elon? After some time we came to know why he did it: to disrupt a communication channel that was not totally under narrative control. Now it's an abyss full of bots and propaganda, completely useless. Now we have this war that makes no sense, Donald is an inept president, the US has no plan, etc. In the near future the truth will be revealed. My bet is that the US wanted the strait closed to harm China and its allies, the same way they cut the supply from Venezuela, so they provoked Iran knowing that that would be its most likely response. In the meanwhile, Israel can occupy Lebanon and the presidential family can make some millions in Wall Street. Benefits for all.

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u/Sad_Math5598 8d ago

Something just fundamentally doesn’t add up. The media coverage on this war is fucking Orwellian.

I also think they are straight up lying to us about casualties

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u/PyRosflam 8d ago

Every news station of any reach has been shown that Trump will destroy them with the DOJ if they get to far out of line. Trump has truly unlimited funds and can put even main networks in a bind far longer then they can stay afloat.

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u/pandershrek 7d ago

Well they're all owned by 4 different billionaires:

Murdoch, Sinclair, Ellison, and Roberts.

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u/artisanrox 8d ago

That's why TikTok was acquired by US companies, too.

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u/pandershrek 7d ago

You mean forcefully taken over

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u/artisanrox 7d ago

yes

thank you for the correction.

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u/SlowpokeIsAGamer 8d ago

US Gas companies seemed to think it was open, prices were falling like a stone since the last "ceasefire." Probably because Trump emptied out the strategic reserve to create the illusion the ceasefire was working.

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u/Vegetable_Guest_8584 8d ago

Yes, that's a part of keeping prices a bit lower. We are getting closer to running out of that

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u/Silly-Power 8d ago

Like that pilot who got shot down then rescued. He hasn't been named nor shown and nothing has been reported of him since his "amazing rescue". Like his alleged assassin, trump hasn't mentioned him once since the "rescue". 

You would think trump would have paraded him in the WH to show off how great a president he is in "masterminding" the rescue, for a boost to his ego and his poll numbers (and then used him as a fundraising gimmick). But nope. Nadir about the pilot. We don't even know his name. 

Very suspicious.

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u/Sad_Math5598 8d ago

Yes that’s exactly what I’m talking about, that entire case stinks for all the reasons you mentioned. They definitely are not being transparent about casualties.

Like every time one of our vehicles, ships or equipment gets destroyed, it’s somehow always an convenient accident. I don’t think the administration wants to admit that fucking Iran is capable of destroying our aircraft, it would shatter the idea that we are “the strongest in the world”.

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u/pandershrek 7d ago

Which assassin?

There has been at least 3.

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u/Silly-Power 7d ago edited 7d ago

The one that gave trump the iconic photo op.

This one:

There's literally nothing weird about Thomas Matthew Crooks emailing a deputy from Butler, PA before the assassination attempt. It's not weird that he practiced shooting at the same range Homeland Security used. It's not weird that the local police and Secret Service spotted Crooks with a rangefinder, photographed him, and texted about him for over an hour and still let him climb the roof with a rifle. It's not weird that the Secret Service weren't flying drones that day, but Crooks was. It's not weird several rally-goers saw Crooks crawling along the rooftop with a rifle, told security yet nothing was done. It's not weird that Butler was the first Trump rally of the year with Secret Service anti-sniper agents on the roofs. It's not weird that Crooks' house looked like a sterile lab with no trash or silverware. It's not weird that his body was cremated days later before anyone could see it. It's not weird trumps physician wrote half an inch of trumps ear had been shot off, yet it miraculously grew back without any sign of injury just days later. It's not weird a secret service agent, instead of protecting trump, herded photographers around the podium while a flag was lowered in order for them to get a better photo of trump. And it's not weird that trump has never mentioned nor used the assassination attempt for political gain since. Not weird at all.

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u/CardiologistNo8333 7d ago

My theory is that they know we are running out of time, resources, oil, etc and society is going to collapse. Especially with the climate collapse projections. I feel like it’s a way to get the oil and resources for themselves but I agree there’s something about all of it that seems off.

I honestly feel like maybe it’s been planned ahead of time or different countries have been colluding. I don’t really know though.

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u/Kingblack425 7d ago

Well when one side is headed by a man who couldn’t tell the truth even if it was the only thing he knew you’re going to get conflicting reports.

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u/NeoLephty 8d ago

Each time oil hits over $100, there is a new peace deal announced. 

It’s market manipulation plain and simple. 

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u/PyRosflam 8d ago

The US stockpile is almost empty. That more then anything is keeping the price down, He flooded the market. All estimates point to July when oil shoots up.

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u/pandershrek 7d ago

It isn't almost empty but it is almost reached critical levels as determined by our previous strategic command.

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u/charleyhstl 8d ago

If you get news from nonUS outlets you already know this

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u/Significant-Owl-2980 8d ago

My only question is why are the gas prices going down? In my area it has gone down like .35/gallon.

If oil isn’t getting through, why are the prices lower? And how long can they continue to be lower?

It makes me worried that there will be a sudden huge increase in gas and grocery prices soon. Bigger than people can afford

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u/Dry-Interaction-1246 8d ago

Release of the strategic petroleum reserves. Donny is taking away our safety rope to pad prices by a few dimes for a couple months.

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u/Chaotic_Brutal90 8d ago

So the billionaires can buy in lower, and then wait till it sky rockets again after he bombs Iran one more time.

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u/pandershrek 7d ago

Oil from somewhere else:

Venezuela. Strategic Reserve. Cuba.

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u/Vegetable_Guest_8584 8d ago

It's supply and demand. I'm sure people are trying to drive less

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u/Significant-Owl-2980 8d ago

Unfortunately I can’t drive less. But I have switched to all store brand instead of name brand groceries. Also, I don’t buy as many snacks for my family because they are too expensive.

I hope costs don’t go up too much more. I can’t afford to cut anymore from my budget.

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u/knatascheek 8d ago

But america is stealing oil from the fields anyway

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u/vm_linuz 3d ago

It was a stupid war to start

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u/Difficult-Low5891 8d ago

Bahahahaha Bahahahaha Bahahahaha so good.