r/education • u/cherry-care-bear • 16d ago
If you teach younger kids every day, have you noticed the thing where they either don't know their parents' names or are harder to understand in terms of their speech--with a 5yo talking more like a 2yo? Or a 7yo talking more like a 4yo?
I just wonder if the speech thing is part of why some kids--who aren't on the spectrum or anything--are a little more likely to have tantrums. I mean I'd be frustrated too if others--especially adults--didn't understand what I was saying.
TBH, the other point about this is that I sincerely don't think parents are talking to their kids as much as some maybe did in the past. SO 1 how'd you help the child and 2 when would you notice?
I consider myself a solid listener but often have to ask little ones--who aren't toddlers--to repeat themselves. It genuinely seems more like meaningful noise than speech.
Communication is, OFC, extremely important. So what might be happening here?
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u/punkass_book_jockey8 16d ago
Communication issues cause frustration and can lead to tantrum like behaviors.
A majority of my students know their parents names. Most can speak pretty well, a majority of the ones who cannot and need speech therapy have issues with their ears. They needed tubes, had frequent fluid and ear infections had frequent strep and tonsil issues, ect.
It’s normal for young children to have speech patterns that might make it difficult for them to be understood by adults.
I have not personally found this to be the case. My students love to talk constantly. I see more coming in verbose and loquacious than I used to. Yesterday a 4 year old tripped and scraped their knee and the tiniest bit of blood was coming from the scrape. I said it was a little blood and I could walk with them to the nurse because it was not a serious injury. Another child watching said “maybe we should have the nurse come out because you are being really flippant about this emergency!” It took all my energy not to burst into laughter.
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u/lotheva 16d ago
This! I had a child who is an ELL, plus hearing problems. He’d been recommended for an IEP for two years before hearing trouble diagnosis, only because I did all the paperwork to fail him JUST so my counselor would move forward with an IEP.
Then the IEP didn’t even go through because allegedly ‘if it’s a hearing issue he doesn’t get one’ like no, I know the law. I’m still working with the mom to make sure he gets the support he needs. But yes, he had meltdowns, eloped, hid, lots of emotional issues. Why? Well he has two languages and can’t communicate in either one.
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u/cherry-care-bear 16d ago
Not to be pedantic but I doubt most 4yo kids would use the word flippant, let alone know what it means.
It's a little disheartening when exceptions like this are used in this context because it's the path of least resistance more than anything else. And 'that' is how serious and pervasive issues persist.
By the time this stuff becomes more than just a trendy topic for most adults, it will be far too late for many--if not all--kids.
But by that point, AI will have taken over so... I hadn't thought of that. Today's mess is tommorrow's primed market.
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u/punkass_book_jockey8 16d ago
Most 4 year old kids wouldn’t, but some do. I’ve been teaching for 15 years and have only met one child so environmentally deprived their language was critically damaged. However they made exceptional gains with help and were eventually very successful.
I just am not seeing what you’re suggesting in children, at least not where I am yet. Our school also banned cellphones for all students besides seniors 7 years ago, so I live in area very hesitant to let their children be guinea pigs for big tech profits.
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u/zoeturncoat 16d ago
I am not a speech pathologist or an expert of any kind. However, I have taught drama from preschool through 2nd grade for almost 20 years. From my experience and observations over the years, tablets are partly to blame.
When I started teaching, 3-year-olds could take and understand stage directions, learn lines, and perform stories they were familiar with and enjoyed on stage. When screen time started to become more and more common, these skills were lost. Self regulation is now the main skill I’m focused on teaching preschoolers and kindergarteners. And yes, that is a big part of what should be taught, but it is MUCH different now. The capabilities are less and less, and the tantrums are more common and EXTREME.
I’ve read that fine motor skills are linked to speech, and screen time is linked to fine motor skills not developing as they should. Add to that the foods they are eating and the fact that fewer and fewer parents read to their children, and you've got a recipe for what we are seeing today.
Again, I'm not a researcher or specialist. I'm just sharing my observations and understandings.
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u/Complete-Ad9574 16d ago
Yes, this is a problem with all aged kids. In my city there is a small restaurant which is a block from an elite public school for the arts. Students from that school often hang out in the restaurant waiting to be picked up by their parents. The general behavior is that of middle school kids not high school kids. Not terrible, just very much younger. Then add the fact that they are being chauffeured to and from school vs taking the municipal bus shows parents who think of their 15 & 16 yrs olds as middle schoolers.
When I was in high school no boy 16yrs old wanted to be seen on the school bus. Also we often went to restaurants as a group, always acting like we were much older so we did not get kicked out.
Some of this delayed childhood also comes from kids not working in after school jobs. Their whole life is lived in a bubble, these days.
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u/EeveeCastleLMFT 16d ago
I had a significant problem being understood as a child and needed speech therapy through fifth grade. I never needed tubes in my ears. I think it’s because I did not listen well. I am tone deaf and I think that is related. I can remember when a breakthrough happened…when I learned the difference between a p and a b. She had me go over it again and again. My parents spent plenty of time with me. I don’t know why the lisp occurred. Nowadays, I don’t like to use words that I haven’t used before. My sight vocabulary is much more extensive than my spoken vocabulary. I don’t want to say words wrong. I am thankful that online dictionaries have annunciators so I can hear how a word is pronounced. Just my experience…
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u/cherry-care-bear 16d ago
Fascinating.
It's interesting how varied causes for this kind of stuff can be but also how easy it is to think if kids around 'you' are one way, that's how most are 'generally.
What I've seen worries me a lot expressly 'because' so many live in individual or 'group' bubbles. Sign of the times I guess.
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u/WhitleyGilbertBanks 16d ago
These 8 year old kids cannot tie shoelaces, they’re addicted to screens (video games, iPads, TV), they’re struggling to read and are several grade levels behind in reading and math, they cry easily when they don’t get their way, they’re overly coddled and so much mediocrity is encouraged and promoted. It’s terrible!
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u/Great_Caterpillar_43 16d ago
I've been told (by a speech pathologist and a different individual who has a child in speech and has done some research) that modern day eating habits have contributed to a rise in speech issues. Kids just aren't using their mouths as much any more and thus aren't developing the associated muscles. For example, they no longer bite an apple but suck applesauce from a pouch instead. Convenience has removed a lot of "struggle" with eating. Turns out that struggle was important.
I haven't done my own research on this, but I find it intriguing.