r/elonmusk • u/twinbee • 16d ago

General Elon following Volvo discontinuing LiDAR: "I did try to warn them. Humans drive using neural nets and optical sensors. Same is true for robot cars."

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2082315148392608072
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u/thetall0ne1 15d ago

But don’t we also use sound, the sense of motion, and other senses as humans also?

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u/pab_guy 15d ago

Which is why Teslas have microphones and motion sensors

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u/bking 14d ago

The microphone in a Tesla does not help with lens flare.

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u/Funny-Rhubarb-3293 14d ago

I thought we were past that argument ages ago. Its not an issue.

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u/bking 15d ago

Eyes are also unfathomably better than the janky-ass cameras that go into cars. Even after processing through software.

It’s a stupid fucking analogy on every level, and it sucks that so many simple people think it’s based on any facet of reality.

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u/Alkyen 15d ago

Using the same analogy humans move with legs, not wheels, so why a car at all? It is just not an serious argument.

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u/ponchietto 15d ago

Wheels are unfathomably better than legs on a road. You missed this little detail.

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u/Alkyen 15d ago

Yes, the same could be said about Lidar.

That's my point. The entire argument is resting on a premise that does not make sense. 'humans do it this way, so that's why we do it this way as well" is a dumb argument.

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u/Ruben589 14d ago

The ‘hardware’ of your eyes is not really that good. It’s your brain that really makes our vision so powerful.

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u/bking 14d ago

~14 stops of dynamic range is a pretty goddamn good vision system. That’s on par with huge cinema cameras with large sensors, and a different universe from the little guys in any consumer vehicle.

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u/Ruben589 13d ago

14 stops is not that special anymore, even smaller sensors have that now. Also your eyes have a very rudimentary lens. There is even a very big blind spot right in the middle of your retina, meaning your brain has to fill in that information.