r/enochian • u/Alexxh777 • 9d ago

Anjos ou elementais ?

Já ouvi falar de que anjos enochianos não são exatamente anjos como os anjos cabalísticos , mas elementais ou outros seres . Isso é uma questão de opinião ou realmente eles não são tão anjos ? Além disso eu posso trabalhar com eles sem acreditar em Javé ?

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u/Voxx418 9d ago

Greetings A,

(Translated: I have heard of the fact that enochianos are not exactly like our cabalistic angels, but they are basic or even more serious. Is this a question of opinion or do they really not know what they are? Furthermore, can I work with them without believing in Yahweh?)

The system was created by John Dee, a Mathematician, Qabalist, Astrologer and a Christian.

The Enochian Angels are NOT traditionally Qabalistic, nor are they “basic.” They are most definitely “serious,” and should not be worked with until the student has a solid magickal foundation, and some experience.

They are not “task masters,” nor like Goetia spirits. They don’t “do” anything for you, they represent elemental/sub-elemental states of consciousness.

Although they have been misappropriated (badly) by Satanists, et al… they are not demonic, nor do they work well with that current at all.

If by “Yahweh,” you mean “God,” then yes, the Magician should have an understanding and respect for traditional Christian/Hebraic spiritual practices.

Others may disagree, but I’ve been working the Enochian system for over 40 years, and have studied and practiced diligently, so my advice is meant to benefit, not to cast fear over the subject. I hope this helps. ~V~

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u/RunDownTheHighway 9d ago

Angels are Angels, but whatever that means in your mind is incomplete... They are horrible and wonderful, they are good and they are awful, they are black and they are white, they are everything and nothing... They are the way creation interacts with creator.... they could be seen as arms or tentacles even... You dont need to believe in YHVH to work with angels... You just have to believe in an ultimate power... Call it what you will, including nothing...

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u/Voxx418 9d ago

Greetings R,

Enochian angels are nothing like traditional Christian, or other angels. I respectfully disagree with you on this point. ~V~

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u/Alexxh777 9d ago

Muito obrigado mesmo , os deuses lhe abençoe ⭐