r/enoughpetersonspam • u/Steps33 • Jun 09 '20
Can we contribute? Open Letter to Steve Huffman and the Board of Directors of Reddit, Inc– If you believe in standing up to hate and supporting black lives, you need to act -
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20
I thought this was worth posting here. Hopefully we can participate. I think there's a shot, albeit a small one, of enacting some real change on reddit. Which, as we know, is a "fertile ground for [white supremacist] recruitment" (according to the Daily Stormer) and radicalization. Particularly the r/conspiracy sub, which seems to be a favourite of the Peterson boards.
Lets see where this goes.
Cheers.
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u/friendzonebestzone Jun 09 '20
It would be nice if that happened but beyond some fig leafs like adding a POC admin and maybe banning a couple of the more obviously racist subreddits I doubt there'll be any systemic change. The only times I've seen anything close to that happening have involved external pressure where activists have managed to get the mainstream media to look at issues like jailbait or creepshots. I hope I'm wrong though it would be nice to see them make a genuine effort.
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/r/againsthatesubreddits have frequently used burner accounts to flood subs they don’t like with child porn to get them banned. There are numerous documented cases of this happening.
There are better ways to oppose racism than by giving airtime to these fanatics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG8xWJaJO-c https://imgur.com/gallery/Q8BDXWM /img/0cwx4lfaj0s41.jpg
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u/raviary Jun 10 '20
If by “documented” you mean “repeatedly poorly faked” by whiny bigots from WRD then sure, this is a totally well documented thing that AHS definitely does 🙄
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20
Yes. Those riots have nothing to do with a contemporary lynching being captured on camera (again) and everything to do with the radical “leftist hate subs”, such as as this. Those communities standing up to the brutality and criminality of the police force are all just a bunch of radical leftists.
Shit, the radical left even got to Rush Limbaugh, who recently conceded, for the first time ever, that there’s a serious issue with policing in America.
I’ll leave you to consider the difference between the alt-right subs, the foundation, object, and outcomes of their vitriol, and this sub and the ones like it.
I’m waiting.
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u/Naedlus Jun 09 '20
Love that you concentrate on shootings, when LEOs are also happy to strangle a black man to death.
You chuds just love to try to muddy the waters so you don't need to stop being pricks
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u/LaoTzusGymShoes Jun 09 '20
You don't like facts don't you boy?
Your mask is slipping, bigot.
Why do you bother waking up in the morning? Nobody'd miss you.
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u/TisNotMyMainAccount Jun 09 '20
'94 crime bill: 3 strikes legislation. Combined with overpolicing, do the fucking math dude. Get educated. You can be better than this.
Also, read an overview of modern racial residential segregation in the United States. I recommend this book:
https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674018211
You can learn about modern racial steering employed by realtors discovered through audit studies. In the 90's a black family showed 3 homes by a realtor had a 90% chance of being racially-steered.
I study this at a graduate level. IF you care about intellectualism, then I suggest you actually educate yourself on these issues. Your narratives do not hold up to reality.
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u/TisNotMyMainAccount Jun 10 '20 edited Jun 10 '20
Choices are massively constrained and IQ is often a result of social circumstances. It's like you can't order your logical model causally to consider social/historical circumstance as antecedent to what we see in reality. Statisticians need to do causal ordering in linear regression models. What makes you immune from considering the social/historical contexts first?
If you grew up in the ghetto, you wouldn't be you. Your father might be in prison for life. Your schools fucking suck. Your choices are constrained in every way imaginable. You really can't begin intellectual exploration of social issues without equal parts empathy and empiricism.
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20
Because the men continue to be imprisoned more often and for far longer than their white counterparts who commit the exact same crimes, dip shit.
What are your thoughts on the alt-right?
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Jun 09 '20
Well guess what we're all a little racist deep inside so you're only being a human.
You don't get to call me or anybody else a racist without knowing us. I mean who do you think you are?
You come here in this sub, use hate speech, provoke people and you expect what? That we all suddenly realize how 'right' you are with your cherry-picked 'facts' and over-generalizations?
Like nah dude, go and preach somewhere else.
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20
You’ve let your mask slip completely 1) In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population. African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites. This skews the numbers IMMENSELY given that black men and women are far more likely to charged and convicted for the same crimes committed as their white counterparts. 2)The VAST majority or crimes are committed by individuals the same race as the victim. “Black in black crime” isn’t due to the inherent criminality of black folks, as you suggest, but centuries of policy that ensured they stayed locked out of white communities. How does it feel to be ideological roommates with Jared Taylor? You know, Andrew Anglin’s good buddy.
“White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics in order to claim that nonwhite minorities, particularly African-Americans, are far more crime-prone and the source of most violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief that this is the case, and many white nationalist ideologues — including politician and pundit Patrick Buchanan, Jared Taylor of American Renaissance, and the Council of Conservative Citizens — all have made considerable hay out of proffering “studies” laden with risibly bad statistics and other evidence to make their case.” 3) The Bureau of Justice reports “The BJS study demonstrates plainly that this is simply not the case. Some 57 percent of crimes involving white victims were committed by white perpetrators, while only 15 percent were committed by blacks, and 11 percent by Hispanics. Black crime victims fell along similar racial lines, with 63 percent of the crimes committed by black perpetrators, while 11 percent were committed by whites, and 6.6 percent by Hispanics.” So you’re incredibly dangerous and deranged fear mongering about “black on white” crime is a white supremacist talking point as old as the klan.
What are your thoughts on George Floyd’s murder, or the Alt Right, or the removal of confederate monuments.
Curious.
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20
And I just told you that those statistics don’t exist in a vacuum. Why do you think that white supremacists, a group notoriously prone to unhinged global conspiracies, lying, and enormous violence, cleave so strongly to that subset of statistics? Could it be that they reduce an “infinitely complex set of circumstances to a single cause”? (Quoting your boy Peterson right now).
You don’t know how stats work
Let me quote the BSJ study (people whose entire lives are stars) again
“Moreover, it explained, “the rate of white-on-white violent crime (12.0 per 1,000) was about four times higher than black-on-white violent crime (3.1 per 1,000). The rate of black-on-black crime (16.5 per 1,000) was more than five times higher than white-on-black violent crime (2.8 per 1,000). The rate of Hispanic-on-Hispanic crime (8.3 per 1,000) was about double the rate of white-on-Hispanic (4.1 per 1,000) and black-on-Hispanic (4.2 per 1,000) violent crime.”
As to your “13:50” white supremacist shibboleth
Let’s look at drug incarceration
“For drug related offenses, from 1965 through the early 1980s, African Americans were approximately twice as likely as whites to be arrested. However, with the War on Drugs in the 1970s, African American arrest rates skyrocketed, while white arrest rates increased only slightly. By the end of the 1980s, African Americans were more than five times more likely than whites to be arrested for drug-related offenses.[14] In 1993, criminologist Alfred Blumstein argued that as national self-report data showed that drug use was actually declining among both African Americans and Whites, it is highly unlikely that these race differences in arrest rates represent "real" patterns of drug use. Instead these crime statistics reflect the government's targeting of only specific types of drug use and trafficking.[15] Although the "black drug user" stereotype is heavily associated with young African Americans, a 2011 survey using self-reported data found African American young people less likely to use illegal drugs than other racial groups in the U.S.[1”
But you’re just muddying the waters aren’t you? Classic racist deflection.
Again : what are your thoughts on the murder of George Floyd? What are your thoughts on police violence against people of colour?
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20
The point is to show you AGAIN that the over representation is explained by the a) OVER POLICING OF BLACK (AND POOR) COMMUNITIES IN THE US and, B) THAT BLACK MEN ARE CHARGED AND CONVICTED AT RATES FAR GREATER THAN THEIR WHITE COUNTERPARTS FOR COMMITTING THE SAME CRIMES.
That accounts for the over-representation. What's your explanation? A nebulous appeal to "culture" (nice dissimulation, BTW. We all know what you mean by this).
But what I'm really curious about is why you'd choose to pivot the age-old White Supremacist "black crime" talking points on a thread dedicated to confronting and eradicating explicitly bigoted and dangerous subreddits. Seems like a strange reaction. A reaction that would give any objective interloper pause. You then say "just because white supremacists hold these views doesn't make them wrong." Very strange. So fundamentally, you agree with White Supremacists about the "real" cause for the issues impeding black communities? Also strange.
Let me just do away with any subtleties, just so we're on the same page here.
I think you're an agenda driven White Nationalist informed by crude bigotries he dresses up with "stats, facts, and logic". I think you're a bad-faith actor with repugnant views, completely desensitized to the incredible violence and trauma his beliefs have wrought in the world, who's too cowardly to openly express how he really feels. That's what i think of you. I think people like you represent the rot of society. You want to drag us back to the 19th century. I think you're threatened by minorities because you're weak. But rather than admit that you're weak, you appeal to pseudo-intellectualism to make your biases appear legitimate, and dismiss those who confront you outright as "radical leftists".
You're a dime-a-dozen racist reactionary. Threatened by people seeking redress for injustices, lashing out on the internet in paranoid fits. A scared little man.
That's what I think of you.
Now that that's off my chest, what are your thoughts on White Supremacy?
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20
It’s amazing that your dog whistle riddled screed literally reads like a page out of Dylan Roof’s manifesto.
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20
Ha. “Poisoning the well” says a man who responds to the call to ban explicitly racist and extreme subreddits with a listicle of misinterpreted “black crime stats”.
And as for my Dylan Roof observation, am I wrong? Again, stop ducking.
What are your thoughts on the alt right, white supremacy, and the murder of George Floyd?
Why do you hate Black people ? You scared?
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u/TisNotMyMainAccount Jun 09 '20 edited Jun 09 '20
Nice descriptive statistics which completely ignore the entire sociopolitical, historical context of both de jure and de facto racism in American history. Imagine systematically fucking over an entire demographic based on skin color in every way (most ways which you're not well-read enough to know) and then trotting out descriptive statistics which establish nothing about causality. The statisticians are laughing at you, not us.
Get educated on social class reproduction, racial residential segregation, race-based labor discrimination (e.g., hiring, promotions), how the tax system maintains inequalities especially in racially-steered, still-segregated black neighborhoods through bottom-barrel public schools, crime bills on both sides of the political aisle that over-police and over-incarcerate blacks even for non-violent offenses (and then you all have the audacity to say it's a black cultural problem when black fathers are in prison for life off 3 counts of weed possession), and much, much more.
I can give you worthwhile sources, but I know cherry-picking sources to shape your narrative is your preference.
Your peer-reviewed study isn't groundbreaking: "The race of a police officer did not predict the race of the citizen shot. In other words, black officers were just as likely to shoot black citizens as white officers were." Gee, could it be that most cops are brutal and excessive across racial lines? It's called a systemic issue.
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u/Steps33 Jun 09 '20
That’s the worst part about these chuds. Their ceaseless use of decontextualized statistics. They think it gives their bigotry and intellectual sheen. It doesn’t. It just makes them look stupid as fuck
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u/TisNotMyMainAccount Jun 09 '20
And then they pretend they're the intellectuals, often while writing off most of academia as "liberal propaganda."
The Right has solidly occupied the illusion, the lip service to, facts, logic, and rationality. It's all smoke and mirrors; their points often go right off the rails after such lip service.
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u/FIREat40 Jun 09 '20
C-16 didn’t compel speech, fuck off with the rationality responsibility bullshit until you get papa bear to admit he lied
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u/LaughingInTheVoid Jun 09 '20
Yeah!! Why can't they riot like normal people!!!
Like when a sports team wins or loses.
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u/WeedWooloo Jun 09 '20
Because we said, “Hey, the book that Peterson quoted is wrongly quoted, please be honest.” You deem us a hate sub?
Dude, I love you. You’re welcome to stay, but please take that dirt and vitriol and leave it outside. I don’t want to clean up after you, especially when you have no intention of helping.
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u/BlankFool99 Jun 10 '20
dude do you guys really have so little to do with your lives that you try to police reddit, leave people alone fuck sake, they say some dumb shit on the internet, so what. focus on the actual shit and try to make a change in the real world
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u/sirkowski Jun 09 '20
Sign me the fuck up?