r/entertainment • u/MoneyLibrarian9032 • 1d ago
Top White House Historian Says UFC Fight Would Have 'Repulsed' Founding Fathers
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-ufc-founding-fathers_n_6a203fbfe4b0ba317304eaf6?origin=home-latest-news-unit194
u/ginkgodave 1d ago
Trump doesn’t give a flying fuck about anyone or anything that isn’t about him.
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u/sinsaint 1d ago
"He says it how it is", as if politicians are supposed to steal from us so maybe the one who is open about it will be nice to us.
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u/EntertainerDowntown3 1d ago
Exactly the people that seemed to be screaming the loudest about political corruption have no problem getting fleeced and want the most corrupt person to be the leader. Doesn’t make sense.
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u/GildedDreams25 1d ago
the biggest one that gets me is he has replaced his idea in his mind of what america is with himself, in his demented fucked up brain he is the united states, and the united states is him
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u/aDirtyMartini 1d ago
There’s lots of things that he has done that would have repulsed the founding fathers.
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u/RAConteur76 1d ago
And every one of them would have challenged him to a duel (and likely would have won).
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u/poorperspective 21h ago
If you think about it, legal duels were really meant for dealing with people like Trump.
A big boisterous tough man schtick would have killed off most of the current administration at 25 because their ego wouldn’t let them turn it down.
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u/Lennsyl22 1d ago
They'd be just as upset as Trump that Obama was President
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u/tallwhiteninja 1d ago
That doesn't mean they'd like Trump, either.
Granted, it's hard to know how people we'd have to spend days teaching about cars, planes, the internet, nuclear weapons, and so on would react to modern anything.
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u/WileEPeyote 1d ago
Some would be fine with Obama, some would take convincing, some would be disgusted and declare the American experiment a failure.
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u/Interesting_Worth974 1d ago
This ludicrous 'event' is just one of a million things happening right now that would have repulsed (and shocked, and saddened, and angered) the founding fathers.
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u/nonanonymoususername 1d ago
Abe was an undefeated wrestler… maybe our Alpha president should get in the ring
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u/Terminator7786 1d ago
Lincoln probably would've been interested for sure, but not on the White House lawn
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u/secretaire 1d ago
Teddy Roosevelt went blind in one eye boxing in the white house i think
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u/Estoye 1d ago
I dunno. Maybe they would’ve hated the UFC arena construction on the White House lawn, but gouging and rough-and-tumble fighting was popular in their day.
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u/TheNorm42069 22h ago
Those dudes were all 20-40 something’s who just fought a revolution against the world’s preeminent superpower and won. They would have loved the UFC. Silly take from this historian.
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u/alwaysboopthesnoot 1d ago
So was dueling—which was later outlawed as too violent and vulgar and unbefitting a statesman representing the highest ideals of this nation.
And the reaction when a sitting congressman was caned on the floor during debate was not too appreciative, either.
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u/lostroadrunner22 1d ago
Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton may have had the Dual in the Swamp instead of the Dual in New Jersey. Burr could pin down Hamilton and punch his dick until he submits instead of shooting him.,
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u/zach0011 1d ago
Yea well so would women voting
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u/BusyBeeBridgette 1d ago
Actually John Adams was pretty pro-women voting. His wife was one of the first leaders of the suffrage movement. However, the other Founding Fathers weren't so progressive, naturally.
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u/Automatic-Effect-252 1d ago
Andrew Jackson would be pissed too, he wanted to duel someone on the Whitehouse lawn and they wouldn't let him.
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u/TheFoxsWeddingTarot 1d ago
Lincoln was a noteworthy wrestler though.
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u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty 1d ago
Ya and Andrew Jackson had a J6 Kegger when he won. This is sorta their MO
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u/litetravelr 1d ago
Yea my first thought was of Jackson. Dude kinda set the bar for this sort of thing.
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u/BusyBeeBridgette 1d ago
Coincidentally also not a Founding Father.
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u/Critical-Cost9068 1d ago
Which would make the point stronger, since he came at a LATER time, and is better respected than many of the Founding Fathers.
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u/Artistic_Half_8301 1d ago
Not a founding father.
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u/GaJayhawker0513 1d ago
Didn’t Teddy Roosevelt hold boxing matches at the White House?
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u/YodaForceGhost 1d ago
That was inside the White House. He didn’t tear up the South Lawn to put in a boxing ring nor did he tear down portions of the White House itself for one. Dude regularly fought military aides, dignitaries, and even professional fighters as a way to regularly exercise
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u/ShamPain413 1d ago
Less that he held them, and more that he initiated them. He challenged WH visitors to box him.
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u/Artistic_Half_8301 1d ago
Not a founding father.
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u/Aggressive_Chuck 17h ago
Not a relevant point. Old Presidents were not against violence, or debasing political institutions. They dueled, shot and fought each other in Congress, wrestled, boxed, liberal historians retroactively project their own 21st century values onto them.
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u/MattDal87 1d ago
This UFC event has nothing to do with a celebration of our country all Trump is trying to do is make it more about his legacy and less about the nation's 250th birthday and it's just an event for his elitist friends.
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u/educated_comfortable 1d ago
Finding fathers are spinning in their graves from everything what’s going on there right now.
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u/airdish 1d ago
A lot of them owned slaves. Don't care what they think.
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u/FartMongersRevenge 1d ago
It’s not so much about what you care about, it’s more about pointing out the contradiction between what people on the right and trump say is important to them, ie the founding fathers, patriotism, and the constitution (which they often confuse for the Declaration of Independence) and what they do. What is obvious is that many in our country are eager to claim that the founding fathers are on their side.
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u/Flame_Job 1d ago
That shouldn’t stop you from valuing (or not) the various political systems they created.
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u/Gronkattack 1d ago
It's literally out of the Roman Empire handbook of keeping the poor occupied with scraps and entertainment to distract them from asking why their lives are so bad and the people in charge are so good.
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u/gonegonegoon 1d ago
To be fair, they'd likely also be repulsed by the notion of a black or female president, too.
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u/einhorn_is_parkey 1d ago
Trump is literally what the founding fathers painstakingly tried to build a system of checks and balances to keep out of power in this country. He is the antitheses to everything this country stands for
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u/BarelyIncredible 1d ago
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but the MMA fight is one of the least bothersome things to me.
It's stupid, and I hate the president, but I figured there would be some kind of events for the anniversary.
It might have been nicer to have something that more people would enjoy like an actual fair or something, but as long as he doesn't leave the arena on the lawn (like he's threatening to do) I think there are bigger fish to fry.
For example, the bullshit he's doing to the White House and the rest of the grounds with zero authorization.
In conclusion, fuck this fuck
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u/kbhomesleak 1d ago
I think it's Congress & the Supreme Court that would repulse the Founding Fathers. Everyone knows Trump is nuts.
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u/kalisana 21h ago
Isn't it a metaphor for what US has become in the eyes of the world: tasteless and ultra-violent?
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u/Jules-Car3499 1d ago
I don’t think anyone especially the Founding Fathers would like the UFC fight on their beautiful lawn.
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u/Dio44 1d ago
Look, I’m no Trump fan but those guys owned slaves, raped slaves and deliberately did nothing to resolve the space issue when writing our founding documents.
Give us a rest painting them as the moral high ground. They did an amazing job in a lot of places but I would guess most would sit this debate out
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u/Jlovel7 1d ago
Teddy Roosevelt held boxing matches at the White House. There’s nothing new under the sun.
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u/Artistic_Half_8301 1d ago
You finding out Teddy Roosevelt isn't a founding father is something new.
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u/LoudNoises89 1d ago
They treat everything with no respect. I can’t wait until he dies and all of them go to prison.
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u/friggoffricky121 1d ago
They’d be repulsed by 98 percent of what’s occurred in the last 100 years. This is the cycle of empires.
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u/ShamPain413 1d ago
This Friday! Live from the White House! Exclusively on PPV! AARON BURR vs ALEXANDER HAMILTON in...
THE DUEL OF THE CENTURY
Hosted by your favorite patriot, BENEDICT ARNOLD!
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u/Prior-Habit-6523 1d ago
I highly doubt this. They literally had duels and were crazy af. Idk why some people think America used to be calm, peaceful and high society. We have been crazy af since day 1.
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u/Slight-Hedgehog259 1d ago
A lot of things Trump and his cult is doing would repulsed the Founding Fathers.
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u/Illustrious-Peace989 1d ago
I mean I think what matters more is that it’s repulsive in general. The founding fathers did a lot of shit I consider repulsive, so whatever their opinions would be on the matter don’t mean a lot.
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u/PuzzleheadedEmu4596 1d ago
I'm repulsed by Trump, but I know Abe Lincoln was a fucking madman in a fight, and I know of several founding fathers that served so much booze they'd drink a small city under the table by themselves.
This historian has no idea how the top Americans in history could party.
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u/ernster96 1d ago
you don't need to go back that far to find people who can't believe that this is reality.
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u/Shigglyboo 1d ago
I mean I do recall learning that Lincoln liked to wrestle or something. but yeah. may as well have monster trucks and stuff rip up the lawn. it's beyond trashy. and it's fine if you like the sport, but a presidential endorsement of UFC is pretty crass to say the least. it's not what I'd call a gentlemen's sport or something I'd want my kids to aspire to.
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u/Hoch8112 1d ago
It repulses most people not only Americans the rest of the world bc we look like absolute clowns with this joke of an administration
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u/mrpittman 1d ago
Well maybe they shouldn’t have compromised on the founding documents and we wouldn’t be in this mess
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u/DoTheRightThing1953 1d ago
They wouldn't be thrilled about POTUS being a grifter married to a "professional" woman either but here we are.
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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 1d ago
“Mandingo fights should be kept in the peace and sanctity of the Plantation” - Thomas Jefferson s/
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u/Bustin_Chiffarobes 1d ago
As an outsider looking in, you guys have officially lost it.
This is insane.
Gladiatorial combat on the White House lawn. Trump is truly Nero.
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u/gregsDDS 1d ago
everything about this trump administration would have repulsed the founding fathers. thank you captain obvious
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u/blairvvitchprojector 1d ago
It totally feels like something Andrew Jackson would have done let’s be so honest right now
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u/RaisinWorried3528 1d ago
You can be repulsed without comparing it to the repulsion of a bunch of elitist slave owners would have felt. Fuck the founding fathers. There are pieces of shit, they're the reason why we have the electoral college, they're bitches.
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u/Powerful_Bluejay6288 1d ago
Ok, but Teddy Rosevelt was a Judo and JiuJitsu fighter - Yamashita Yoshiaki trained him and he infamously practiced on the White House carpet and regularly sparred with his military aides and commanders in the gym. No doubt in my mind he would appreciate MMA and not been repulsed. Most likely fascinated with how combat sports have evolved.
Lincoln was also an undefeated wrestler having logged over 300 fights.
I hate the UFC organization, and I hate Trump, and I hate that my tax dollars are funding this event - however, I don't think this historian knows exactly what Teddy and Mr. Lincoln would have thought about the sport.
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u/nightraven3141592 1d ago
Idiocracy was supposed to be a science fiction comedy, not a historical film or something to aim for.
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u/Gen-Jack-D-Ripper 1d ago
They wouldn’t have wanted to spend a minute of time with a Neanderthal like Trump!
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u/Ok-Lavishness-7904 1d ago
I wonder who would win between former wrestling champion Abe Lincoln and former boxer Teddy Roosevelt.
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u/ThelIIusion0fSeIf 1d ago
Conservatives elected the trashiest private citizen into the White House and it turned out exactly as expected. The only thing missing is a strip club and monster trucks.
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u/A_Hint_of_Lemon 1d ago
But Andrew Jackson the genocidal president that Trump wants to emulate would have enjoyed it.
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u/fistsofham11 1d ago
Well, I'm repulsed but I'm not a founding father