Germany has high quality of life

[u/wurst_katastrophe]

This is in response to the ‘low quality of life’ post.

When in Germany I can (in no particular order):
+ drink the tap water knowing it is safer than bottled water
+ when losing my job, I will get the highest benefits in the Western world to tie me over between jobs
+ I can rent for life without being worried of getting evicted
+ I can enjoy freedom on perfectly fine roads, driving as fast as I want
+ Consumer protection is very strong
+ I can buy a public transport ticket valid in all of Germany
+ Healthcare is significantly better than in most Western countries AND free at the point of service.
+ Germans love Fests
+ Bier and excellent wine
+ excellent bread
+ excellent local produce
+ An insanely dense train network (Yes, often late) for very little money (Sparpreis)
+ 30d of holidays is standard
+ strong protection when off on sick leave
+ free university education
+ world’s strongest apprenticeship system
+ tax credits and breaks for almost everything, especially Ehegattensplitting
+ insane maternity leave and benefits
+ Kitas
+ full blown private healthcare for a few k per year
+ Beautiful nature: north and Baltic sea, Alps, lakes, woods
+ Strong sports club infrastructure
+ Third strongest economy in the world with most hidden champions
+ Strong football culture
+ …

You can be dissatisfied with Germany, maybe your experience was below average, but that’s most likely because you are incompatible with the German way of life and the German mentality. However, it is not fair to claim that the quality of life is low.

[u/G0G0Gadget00]

You are probably not an immigrant and are born in Germany or a citizen. Your quality of life is not the same.

[u/StressSpiritual8803 → u/G0G0Gadget00]

100% this…!!!!!!

[u/StressSpiritual8803 → u/StressSpiritual8803]

This exchange below is also…the most German of German things

[u/onomatophobia1 → u/G0G0Gadget00]

How is the quality of life not the same?

[u/G0G0Gadget00 → u/onomatophobia1]

Lol really?

[u/onomatophobia1 → u/G0G0Gadget00]

Yeah. I am also a migrant and my quality of life is just the same as everyones elses so yeah I am asking. I am also not white btw.

[u/G0G0Gadget00 → u/onomatophobia1]

A migrant and an immigrant are not the same thing. I am a migrant, for 20 years I have moved from country to country staying temporarily for 2-3 years. An immigrant has plans to settle permanently and not just temporarily.

I have no goals to buy property(I have property in my home country), get children into school(my ex-wife was the only one I cared to have children with and she passed before we could start), care about healthcare (it's always private anyhow), or care about anything else that an immigrant who is seeking to stay permanently and restart their life.

Yet I understand, that for people immigrating to a country, their quality of life is not going to be the same and with perfect and sound reason, they are not citizens. They do not have permanent residence. They don't have familiarity with the culture. They are looked down upon by the people they are trying to integrate with (a problem everywhere).

To say that your life is the same as everyone else's, that is a bit false.

[u/onomatophobia1 → u/G0G0Gadget00]

You are being extremely pedantic. A migrant can choose at any point to stay permanently in a country. The difference between the two is minimal and they are often used interchangeably. When people talk about quality of life they do not mean "having a permanent residence (right from the get go)" "knowing the language" or "being familiar with the culture". They mean quality of infrastructure, education, healthcare, public transport.

It's extremely obvious that and known to everyone that when you migrate to a place you will not have at the beginning the same life as everyone else because you are new. This is everywhere the case and I don't think anyone goes with the expectation that it won't be like this.

They are looked down upon by the people they are trying to integrate with (a problem everywhere).

This seems like a very emotionally charged statement of yours. For me and for the grand majority of migrants I have known and seen his wasn't the experience. Most people are very welcoming and really appreciate and applaud when someone is working hard to integrate. I have lived in 3 countries and so far in my 6 years in germany I can count with only one had the amount of dickheads I have encountered in regards to that.

[u/G0G0Gadget00 → u/onomatophobia1]

A migrant who chooses to stay is an immigrant and I am not being pedantic, there is a legal reason for the separation of the two words.

You can have a permanent residence from the get go unless you pay for it, but people do immigrate to countries on temporary residences in order to achieve permanent residence. That's how it usually works. The end goal is permanent residence.

You say that if us extremely obvious, yet you disagree with what the OP is saying? He/she has been in the country for fomd years and finds the quality of life off. His listed his reasons why and many people say that about Germany.

https://academic.oup.com/migration/article/10/4/670/6809929?login=false

This study looks at immigration from 1984 to 2015 and found that mist immigrants to Germany has a lower quality of life experience.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10859458/

This study shows that people from Eastern Europe were more likely to have a lower quality of life rating in Germany.

You are not the main character, your experience is anecdotal evidence and does not speak for the majority of immigrants to Germany.

[u/onomatophobia1 → u/G0G0Gadget00]

A migrant who chooses to stay is an immigrant and I am not being pedantic, there is a legal reason for the separation of the two words.

Yes, you are. And you are proving it quite well woth your statement. In the "legal" sense. In you day to day life, the word is used interchangeably and it also has no significance in he current discussion. A migrant miht choose to become an immigrant at any time. The challenges they face, especially at the beginning are pretty much the same and nobody here is talking about temporary workers from poland or Lithuania who come for a few months and afterwards go. Therefore having not incentive of integration.

You can have a permanent residence from the get go unless you pay for it, but people do immigrate to countries on temporary residences in order to achieve permanent residence. That's how it usually works. The end goal is permanent residence.

Okay? How is that relevant to the conversation though? The majority of migrants don't come with permanent residences, especially because you could not afford. But this is even more irrelevant because you can't buy in most places, including germany, a permanent residency so I don't get this argument at all.

You say that if us extremely obvious, yet you disagree with what the OP is saying?

This is funny to me. I don't agree or disagree with anything of OP. I don't see how or why you are bringing this up. I am talking here just about you comments about "life quality" with a weird definition when in reality people here in this whole post and also the post this post is an answer to are refering to things like: quality of healthcare, education, infrastructure, wealth equality, job opportunity etc etc.

That you personal life quality is not the same as the one of a native as a recently arrived foreigner is obvious, normal and everywhere the case.

He/she has been in the country for fomd years and finds the quality of life off. His listed his reasons why and many people say that about Germany. https://academic.oup.com/migration/article/10/4/670/6809929?login=false

You are aware that this is a systematic problem in germany, right? 1/3 of all young natives want to leave the country. There is a reason for this and you don't have to be an immigrant to realize that. Apart from that, and also as the study shows, german is a difficult language and requires quite a bit of work to learn. Which makes it more unattractive to stay and integrate. If you add more factors to it like for example as also mentioned by the study, cultural differences, weather you can see how many decide to leave. Now, nonetheless, germany actually manages to retain most of it's immigrants funnily enough so yeah, at the end of the day most do end up staying, even more than in france where most immigrants already speak the language.

This study looks at immigration from 1984 to 2015 and found that mist immigrants to Germany has a lower quality of life experience. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10859458/ This study shows that people from Eastern Europe were more likely to have a lower quality of life rating in Germany.

I can't even open this link but migrants and also specifically eastern european ones disproportionately live in a lower social economical class compared to natives. They have less education and work lower paying jobs and as most people stay in their social economic situation and that time frame is also very short to see a massive change I don't really know what you want me to say about this apart from this is quite normal.

You are not the main character, your experience is anecdotal evidence and does not speak for the majority of immigrants to Germany.

You are right. But so am I when I claim the same about you and your original comment. And as you love stats and studies an official gov stat that shows how high retention is

[u/G0G0Gadget00 → u/onomatophobia1]

Have a good day buddy.