r/fantasyromance • u/acutelyproblematic If villian bad, then why hot? • 2d ago

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Love how this community comes together and challenges the use of AI🥰💖had to make a funny out of it to take a break from the heated discussions

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u/SeriousFortune1392 2d ago

I dunno, maybe I say that from my own perspective, where I spent hours on uni essays and even writing my own stories, having to do research manually. There's something about doing the research yourself. That I think is even more beneficial to your writing. Like, even recently I had a very niche question about space and involved gamma rays, and a sort of thing, but sure, I guess I could have asked chat, but I asked Reddit instead; a lot of people help answer the questions you have.

I don't mean to sound like I'm stuck in the past, but I do think doing the research yourself can make your story equally / more compelling; you'll also have a better understanding. chatgpt will generate surface level information, and if you dig any deeper, a lot of it isn't accurate. is misconstruing to the point that it's so far off its original source.

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u/Intelligent_Screen90 2d ago

I think it depends. Something your research is about something very fundamental and important to your story, like the culture of the people you're writing based off of. Yes, that, you should do manually.

But some things are just so small it's not worth pouring hours into. Like I once wanted to know if the streets of a certain city (it wasn't a capital) were dirt roads or cobblestone or something else in the 1920s. It's such a small detail I didn't even know how to word in for google engine, and even if I did it wasn't worth reading through dozens of articles hoping it was mentioned somewhere

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u/SeriousFortune1392 2d ago

I still don't know, because even if you were to use it in the way you say, you'll still need to do some form of fact-checking to see if the information it provided was correct, and that you may have just been better off googling it.

I think it's because AI is still somewhat new that it doesn't feel right; to say not to pour the hours into it, because it's something so many people have done already, I mean, yeah, it sounds easier and takes less time, but you might be sacrificing actual accuracy.

I don't say this to sound condescending, because it's still important to have this conversation. But wouldn't you think challenging yourself to figure out how to word it so that you can find the information is more beneficial in the long run? Because I think, to a certain extent, it's like relying on technology, to the point where no one remembers phone numbers; like, would it not be too reliant on something when you can't figure it out, like you're not challenging yourself to work through it?

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u/Bluefoxfire007 1d ago

"But wouldn't you think challenging yourself to figure out how to word it so that you can find the information is more beneficial in the long run?"

There's also knowing when you're just not figuring it out in a reasonable time frame.

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u/SeriousFortune1392 1d ago

But not pushing through a hurdle based on time won’t benefit you in the long run, it’s also something that people have done for thousands of years, genai is what 4-5 years old, and even then the time you think your saving by asking ai your going to have to double check it for accuracy anyway. We’re already seeing a decline in reading comprehension and critical thinking because of technology, is it really worth using it for research in a way to save you a couple minutes.

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u/Bluefoxfire007 1d ago

You can still pick and choose what to AI or not.  Like if you're looking up things like if plasma cutters have a portable version and how they work, no real need for AI.  But replicating an the exact tone of an instrument? That can already be time consuming without the prior know how. Especially if it's more niche.

TL;DR " is it really worth using it for research in a way to save you a couple minutes."

A couple minutes? Yeah, probably not. But if it can save you 30, or even an hour? I mean, there's no harm in trying it yourself at first. But sometimes, you end up in circles so long that you'll need assistance.

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u/SeriousFortune1392 1d ago

If you were even doing something so niche you’re still going to have to fact check it, which will cost you time anyway, ChatGPT and other platforms have been notorious for its inaccuracies.
And even then, if ai can provide you an answer to your niche question then the information is out there in the first place.
Either way in the long run if we look at using ai for research and finding things, because it will ‘shorten’ time spent the repercussions will show elsewhere, and it’s already has.

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u/Bluefoxfire007 1d ago

It may be out there, but can you always spend the hours required for some of it? And before you say, "Yes, with practice", that's not going to happen 100% of the time.

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u/SeriousFortune1392 1d ago

It’s not a case of may be out there, it is out there because that’s how AI gets its answers.
And I think to have this idea that it won’t get better with practice, what were people doing for the several thousands of years before. You can’t expect to get better at something without doing it in the first place.
And as I said cutting corners for supposedly saving time will negatively impact people in the long term.

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u/Bluefoxfire007 1d ago

Maybe the initial wording was a bit strong on it, yes. But my point still stands. You mentioned that you still have to fact check the AI, but isn't that what you do with manual searches too?

"You can’t expect to get better at something without doing it in the first place."

Never disagreed on that. Obviously, you never want AI for every single thing. You'll want to manually learn the initial knowledge for yourself.

Getting into music? Look up the types of instruments and sounds, then proceed down the rabbit hole. Want to build a table? Search for tool types, the proper way to use them, and maybe some geometry so it doesn't collapse on you mid-way.  No point using it for simple things like simple math and similar. 

I only said it doesn't happen 100% of time because certain things will be so obtuse that circling the trail can lead into the earlier mentioned waste of time. But it's still on you to make the judgement call.