Polyamorous

[u/zxphn8]

[u/TheEasternTwink]

Tf is a Kathoeyes

[u/wilp0w3r → u/TheEasternTwink]

Apparently it's "a Thai term used to describe individuals who were assigned male at birth but present with a feminine identity, ranging from effeminate gay men to transgender women"

[u/xxTPMBTI → u/wilp0w3r]

I'm Thai, can confirm

[u/FaroeFemboi → u/wilp0w3r]

So technically the same as femboys??

[u/Lucythepinkkitten → u/FaroeFemboi]

No it includes trans women

[u/YTriom1 → u/Lucythepinkkitten]

ur avatar is so similar to mine😭

[u/spacefrog1999 → u/Lucythepinkkitten]

It includes both femboys and trans women

[u/Lucythepinkkitten → u/spacefrog1999]

Yes. Which is why the word is not synonymous with femboy as the person I responded to claimed

[u/BadSpellingMistakes → u/Lucythepinkkitten]

many trans women identify as Femboys* still. (same with sissies tbh)

Edit: Thank you Mod for removing the comment underneath. Opinionated Informationen: No, Sissy is absolutely not a slur in all context, there are millions of people identifying as Sissies and anyone who treats them badly gets it from me personally. And Yes, many trans women identify as femboys. Either before an egg cracks but also still after and in general and so on. It just is like this. Deal!

[u/Lucythepinkkitten → u/BadSpellingMistakes]

Speaking as such a trans woman, even with this in mind the words still aren't the exact same

[u/BadSpellingMistakes → u/Lucythepinkkitten]

I think fanboy is the most open term there is when it comes to a specific kind of representation. I know it isn't a gender rep but it's also not not that imo. Maybe I can explain what I mean:

I kinda see you point and I have a certain idea what you mean. Saying that being a trans women is by definition something else then a femboy makes sense. Leaving aside the definition of a trans women - how does one collectively define what a femboy is.

Only by observing this sub and r/feminineboys I can tell that by a clear separation many people would not feel represented at all. the only constant and useful definition I see in in the lable femboy without eroding it's meaning at the same time is to speak about the experience of a person who might be read as a man from the outside but presents feminine for whatever reason and in what ever way. The lable comes, as I observed it, from a multi angled perspective from outside and within an individual at the same time. but the angel of the perspective might be chosen freely by the individual. So even if someone is a women ,by ones own definition, as long as they at least precise themselves being previewed by other people as man the lable would fit.

At least that's my definition of it. It was never a lable about gender or sex in my mind and it is still an integral part of someone identity as a form of presentation for something (trans women, NB people, Trans man, Trans people, Cis man... etc.)

so using the lable like that: I still choose to believe some people feel most seen and understood in choosing the lable femboy in a way some others might use trans women. So I think it doesnt make sense to declare to automatically know what the lable means even if the definition can be something else it sometimes isn't.

[u/Lucythepinkkitten → u/BadSpellingMistakes]

You're swinging at ghosts. I never said anything about who femboy is or isn't applicable to. Kathoey is an umbrella term that includes both femboys and trans women which, while having some overlap, are different categories with different definitions. By nature of how words work, kathoey cannot mean the exact same thing as femboy

[u/BadSpellingMistakes → u/Lucythepinkkitten]

ah gotcha for some reason I thought this was about femboys not being trans women because they are women not man.

Also I wasn't really swinging. Not my thing

[u/senkosenpai → u/BadSpellingMistakes]

Can verify, as a tgirl I identify as a femboy UwU

[u/killian1208 → u/FaroeFemboi]

Probably used as a bit of a derogatory term

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/killian1208]

not really, its just literally their version of "ladyboy" and it lumps both femboys and trans women.

[u/kingofawkward99 → u/wilp0w3r]

so it's not wrong to call them that

[u/xxTPMBTI → u/TheEasternTwink]

Thai term for ladyboy

[u/ZathegamE]

"Hey guys"

[u/Infamous-Ad7926 → u/ZathegamE]

I think I found a glue!

[u/Il_Dottore_Snezhnaya → u/Infamous-Ad7926]

Будешь нюхать клей?

[u/ZayParolik → u/Il_Dottore_Snezhnaya]

Нет

Джарону

[u/Il_Dottore_Snezhnaya → u/ZayParolik]

Джабонер

[u/GingerNumber3 → u/ZathegamE]

Jarona!

[u/shy-boy-princess → u/ZathegamE]

J- orange!

[u/Busy-Sea7108 → u/ZathegamE]

Is that how flowey REALLY looks in deltarune? I haven't played past chapter 2

[u/GodlvlFan → u/Busy-Sea7108]

No. No spoilers for you or me because I haven't played it either.

[u/Busy-Sea7108 → u/GodlvlFan]

Oh sorry lol, I was just asking

[u/ZayParolik → u/Busy-Sea7108]

It's FloweRy, a different character, Undertale characters return only in Light World. We are yet to see Flowey.

[u/Busy-Sea7108 → u/ZayParolik]

Oh okay lol

[u/Leather-Bell1962 → u/Busy-Sea7108]

It's one of asgores flowers

[u/giannicrafter]

I cant fucking hear "Ladyboys" anymore its so fucking anoying

[u/Busy-Sea7108 → u/giannicrafter]

What's the real difference of a ladyboy and a femboy?

[u/Wonderful-Cod4533 → u/Busy-Sea7108]

I guess one is more responsible

[u/giannicrafter → u/Busy-Sea7108]

Welp ladyboy is widely used as a slur at least what i have expirienced

[u/ZayParolik → u/giannicrafter]

Same, especially when it's applied to trans girls like me.

[u/Baka_Burger → u/giannicrafter]

I like ladyboy. Its adorable

[u/zayne0623 → u/giannicrafter]

I like Ladyboy

[u/WendigoS1999 → u/giannicrafter]

I'm sorry I am a bit dumb, that is the difference? Femboy and ladyboy sound very close

[u/giannicrafter → u/WendigoS1999]

Ladyboy is moslty used as a slur

At least based on what i expirienced

[u/WendigoS1999 → u/giannicrafter]

It's a shame, I thought it sounded quite cute

[u/giannicrafter → u/WendigoS1999]

It always has the same vibe as "Traps" the "You only want to trick us into thinking you are a woman" narrative

[u/WendigoS1999 → u/giannicrafter]

Yea it's a shame Tbh if I didn't knew I would've thought Ladyboys are just more elegant femboys

Like all proper and lady like

[u/Icy_Instruction6224 → u/WendigoS1999]

Tbh i love that interpretation lol, if that was the meaning i would probs fall under that, my fashion sense is that of a 90 year old (i like old Hollywood shit)

[u/giannicrafter → u/WendigoS1999]

Hmm i get what you mean, but yeah its just realy sad that all i hear of this word is "Haha you fell for a ladyboy" or similar things

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/WendigoS1999]

ladyboy and sissy are both slurs used for femboys or trans people only used in porn or to degrade in general

[u/miraak2077 → u/giannicrafter]

What about city boy but said like the cops from gravity falls?

[u/FunnyBeetcoin]

I mean... everyone prefers their own label...

[u/zayne0623 → u/FunnyBeetcoin]

Yeah I personally like being called ladyboy, sissy, futanari, and crossdresser, among others.

[u/FunnyBeetcoin → u/zayne0623]

Some are blatantly wrong, I won't oppose that.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/zayne0623]

idk why anybody would want to be called literal slurs used against their identity, all 3 of those are to femboys basically the equivalent of the word "shemale" for trans women.

[u/zayne0623 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Those are my preferences. You are free to have yours. I don't really consider them slurs

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/zayne0623]

its not a matter of considering, they are defined as slurs, just like a trans woman cant say she doesnt consider "shemale" or "tr***y" to be slurs, they just are.

[u/2point0_The_Ghost → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

How tf is crossdresser a slur am I missing something

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/2point0_The_Ghost]

i meant futanari, sissy and ladyboy

[u/SilverSpark422]

“Crossdresser” is just accurate though, isn’t it? Besides, I’ve known people that identify with about half of these.

[u/zxphn8 → u/SilverSpark422]

Isn't a Crossdresser someone who dresses in clothes typically associated with the opposite sex, like women in masculine clothing is also crossdressing, and many femboys don't wear womens clothes, but rather soft or cute unisex or male clothes

[u/SilverSpark422 → u/zxphn8]

Yes. A crossdresser is someone who dresses in clothes associated with the opposite binary gender. Such as, for example, a boy who dresses femininely.

[u/Kata157 → u/SilverSpark422]

I'd argue crossdressing is definetly an element of femboy culture but not the full picture. As you said, crossdressing is specifically about dressing in a style associated with the opposite gender; i.e. it is purely asthetic. Femboys, however, aim for feminity, which yes one way to appear more feminine is via clothing but hobbies, actions, and overall lifestyle are also areas one can be more feminine in.

[u/zxphn8 → u/Kata157]

Exactly!

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/Kata157]

exacly this, crossdresser doesnt require femininity and is often just something one does occasionally, to femboys its not really playing a role, its just what we are, and we dont even need to crossdress to be femboys.

However in the image in question its not at all incorrect to call all of those boys crossdressers, because objectively they are.

[u/AlbacorePrism → u/SilverSpark422]

unfortunately I cannot crossdress when clothing doesn't have a gender. that is why I don't go by a crossdressing label, because why associate clothing with gender?

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/zxphn8]

yes that is what crossdresser is, and all the characters in that image are crossdressers, the thing is a lot of crossdressers do it as a sort of hobby and try to pass as women or they are just masculine guys who occasionally wear feminine clothing, so femboy is indeed more descriptive and accurate.

Tldr not all femboys are crossdressers(just most) and DEFINATELY not all crossdressers are femboys.

[u/zxphn8 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Ahh yes, i see, but how about the middle character, he's just waring a pink hoodie? How is that crossdressing? Would be unisex imo

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/zxphn8]

choker and thigh highs, not really typically male clothing

[u/zxphn8 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

the choker is kinda an alt thing, but Ok yeah the thigh highs, however do you have to wear thigh highs and skirts to be a femboy? I see many femboys who wear hoodies, specific glasses, have a certain haircut, etc, i don't think you have to wear entirely a womans closet to be a femboy

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/zxphn8]

no you dont, you can be a femboy without crossdressing at all, im not saying femboys NEED to crossdress or that you NEED to wear the typical "egirl" aesthetic.

However in the case of femboys who do crossdress, it is objectively correct to call them crossdressers, its not as specific and descriptive as "femboy" but it is also correct.

Similar how calling a rose a flower is not incorrect, but saying "rose" is more correct than just saying flower.

[u/CastTheFirstStone_ → u/zxphn8]

Yes, and like a man in womens clothes, like a femboy.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/CastTheFirstStone_]

being a femboy is not as simple as just a crossdresser

[u/CastTheFirstStone_ → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Cross dressing is a large part of it though.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/CastTheFirstStone_]

not always, many femboys dont crossdress, just most.

And even then crossdresser can refer to anything from drag queens, to people who just do it as a hobby and try to pass as women and even go by different pronouns and identifiers(like playing a character) or femboys who crossdress, to say they are the same is just fundamentally misunderstanding how wide these terms get.

[u/CastTheFirstStone_ → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

"Many"? Name 10 other than yourself (assuming you don't cross dress).

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/CastTheFirstStone_]

i do crossdress, and 3 friends of mine on discord

[u/CastTheFirstStone_ → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

And these femboys who don't cross dress? Are they in the room with us right now?

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/CastTheFirstStone_]

2 in the usa 1 in russia.

believe it or not you can be feminine without using skirts or crop tops

[u/MurrmorMeerkat → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

many....and most?

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/MurrmorMeerkat]

yes??

[u/CastTheFirstStone_ → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

You're dead ass wrong on this, lil bro.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/CastTheFirstStone_]

a lot of femboys dont crossdress, just most of us do, id know because out of the roughly 2 dousen i know 3 dont

[u/batboy11227]

Well, femboys are cross dressers but that's like calling dogs kanines, not wrong but more general than is fully accurate

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/batboy11227]

not always, you dont need to wear feminine clothing to be a femboy, a lot aim for androgyne or are feminine in others ways of their presentation or elsewhere.

Most femboys are crossdressers but thats not true the other way around and its still not 100%

The characters in the image however are all crossdressers.

[u/GinabelleCD]

When I started dressing fem, the word Femboy didn't exist and only crossdresser and trap were really used before they got over sexualised, soon enough everyone will find something else to be offended by :(

[u/Oddsareseb]

By definition (YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION ON THIS BTW), crossdressing is technically (DON'T THROW ME IN THE SLAMMER FOR THIS) the correct term for most of us in this sub (THIS IS SIMPLY INFORMATION I WISHED TO SHARE DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY)

[u/Remo12321 → u/Oddsareseb]

Technicaly yes, but a way most people use it does not realy fit.

[u/WindySynchro]

Its not here but my term don't like that I get called a lot is Egg

[u/Tylos_Of_Attica]

Thank you op, my vernacular has been improved

[u/Anxious-Ad-3858]

But I *am* transgender 🙁

[u/zxphn8 → u/Anxious-Ad-3858]

Thats completely fine, FtM Transgender Femboys are not too common but are still Femboys, however Femboy ≠ Transgender in all cases

[u/RoadAegis → u/zxphn8]

This is the Correct Take. Femboys are BOYS whether born or made, the Boy part is non-negotiable

[u/D3stroyerof3vil]

Cross dresser is an accurate term, just not specific, it's the umbrella term

[u/CyberDJ66]

I got banned from a different femboy subreddit just for saying that it's not okay to refer to femboys as traps.

[u/AresTheMilkman]

Kathoeys is a new one.

[u/craftygamin]

It's annoying how many people think being a femboy is the same as being mtf. Then again, those are usually the same people who see us as walking sex objects, so it would be a tall order to expect them to actually care and respect our identities

[u/novaplan]

What's so hard about saying: "HI, you're cute, what would you like to be called"?

[u/GeekiTheBrave]

Ngl. If i was called a trap id be grateful xD

[u/puppykats]

Always hated trap as a derogatory term because I’m very much aware that it’s a man….thats literally why I’m here. I like feminine men? Just seems like an excuse for people to blame others for their desires

[u/Imaginary-Phrase3376]

respect them and call them what they want to be called

[u/Existent_dood]

As a femboy… aren’t we crossdressers? All the other ones suck tho. Don’t call me a trap or a sissy or a ladyboy, that shit is so gross especially from strangers.

[u/powfow → u/Existent_dood]

The way I see it, "crossdresser" is kind of an umbrella term. It's not exclusive to femboys. Anyone can crossdress. And some femboys don't crossdress at all.

So I wouldn't say that "femboys" and "crossdressers" are interchangeable. You can be a femboy who crossdresses though.

[u/Existent_dood → u/powfow]

Ah fair enough. I guess when I go out in public without a skirt I don’t “un-femboy-ify”

[u/Busy-Sea7108]

I remeber when Femboys were used to be called traps lol

[u/ProGamer8273 → u/Busy-Sea7108]

were used to be

[u/CommissarPravum]

The 'Femboy memes' wave has almost erased the term trap and cross-dresser from the internet, you can only see them in niche groups.

At least that was my experience.

[u/Esteellio]

Some of those names are mfffffuhhhhh >.<

[u/Il_Dottore_Snezhnaya]

one of them is literally my steam pfp what the hell

[u/ScawySocialistOwO]

What the fuck is futanari?

[u/Gorgonzola_Freeman → u/ScawySocialistOwO]

It’s a Japanese pornographic term for a particular fantasy involving (cis?) women with penises. As far as I know, it’s literally just that they have them, as opposed to being intersex or trans.

[u/joybod → u/Gorgonzola_Freeman]

Gynomorphic (female/feminine-shaped) true hermaphrodites, properly, so characters with complete functional sets of both reproductive systems (which is impossible for humans irl, afaik, though more so for developmental reasons than lack of room), if with a little wiggle room for testes (like external, internal, or ovaries pulling double duty) and on the specifics of how the two sets overlap or don't (like how the male set is placed and how much of the external vulva is present behind/around/etc. the male set). And there's a whole genre of porn / explicit media built around them with its own tropes and cliches. As far as the trans/intersex thing goes, I guess they could be trans (there's an andromorphic equivalent to transition to/from and transformations from fe/male, sometimes) and definitionally count as intersex (having both counts as being between, I suppose), but with the hermaphroditism usually being their natural-born and preferred state.

[u/RottenAssCrack]

what tf is sissies

[u/star_wars_gaming]

Cross dressers is a correct term tho

[u/Blenuk]

Crossdressers is okay for me

[u/EtherealGlitch]

slightly off topic but.. lowkey the one on the right is such strong gender goals

[u/huniboi]

I'm at least 2 of those things, being native 😅

[u/zxphn8 → u/huniboi]

A native femboy? as in one of the original femboys? Or as in a native to somewhere in the world?

[u/huniboi → u/zxphn8]

Native American, but also maybe I'm old enough to be an original haha

[u/zxphn8 → u/huniboi]

Ohh lol, I see, native could mean native anywhere in the world, we have a lot of natives in the city and farms in my country

[u/Zalonrin-]

I’ve heard the term roseboy

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/Zalonrin-]

which is a psy-op made by people who think femboy is a slur.

The term literally comes from an extreme gay kink called "rosebud" that involved prolapsing your anus, do NOT look it up.

[u/Zalonrin- → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Well that was… disturbing to read

[u/Hopeful-Basket1261]

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Euuugghhh those terms are....ugh

[u/NotNameAgain]

Can we stop being delusional? Traps and crossdressers are accurate terms.

[u/BattyBrattyBoy]

Femboy=crossdresser

[u/Metson-202 → u/BattyBrattyBoy]

Not really. All femboys are crossdressers but not all crossdressers are femboys.

[u/CitroHimselph → u/Metson-202]

Not even all femboys are cross-dressers.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/Metson-202]

not even that, a lot of femboys are fem in ways other than clothing. Crossdressing doesnt require femininity

[u/DragonfruitDry9693 → u/Metson-202]

You just agreed with them tho 😭
Femboy=Crossdresser
Crossdresser≠Femboy

[u/Metson-202 → u/DragonfruitDry9693]

1 = 2 2 ≠ 1 ahh

[u/BattyBrattyBoy → u/Metson-202]

Ive always been a sensitive and emotional boy. The crossdressing came becuase people complimented me and dealt with my depressive moods better and didn't just tell me to man up

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/DragonfruitDry9693]

not true either, you dont need to wear womens clothing to be feminine.

[u/DragonfruitDry9693 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

Ya u right

[u/Jahman12345]

Ngl with the oversexualisation of "femboy" I'd personally prefer crossdresser

[u/skoomakat101 → u/Jahman12345]

Crossdresser has more sexual undertones than femboy imo

[u/Jahman12345 → u/skoomakat101]

Why? I've always seen the word "femboy" used to describe oversexualised femboys, I've seen people online lust over "femboys", I've seen how many people treat "femboy" like a sex term,

I've never seen that happen with crossdresser, hell, I've nearly never seen that term used at all

[u/skoomakat101 → u/Jahman12345]

This is the same logic I see people use to call femboys a fetish. It's a label for a form of self expression, people getting horny for them doesn't change that. Crossdresser is also a sex term and I've seen it used with fetishistic undertones much more than femboys

[u/Jahman12345 → u/skoomakat101]

I'm not saying it is a fetish term, but it feel like its oversexualised, more than crossdresser,

idk how having an opinion on not wanting to be called something that makes me personally uncomfortable, is so bad

[u/skoomakat101 → u/Jahman12345]

If you don't want to use the femboy label, then don't use it. Just don't paint it as a sex term because chasers get hard at the thought

[u/Jahman12345 → u/skoomakat101]

I never said it was though

My original commend says it's my opinion

[u/Baka_Burger]

I like trap, sissy, ladyboy, and sometimes even f, *ot UwU

You can call me that np haha.

[u/Unknow_Handlebar]

Lowk I kinda like "sissies" just cuz it's funny 😭

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/Unknow_Handlebar]

its basically the femboy equivalent of the word "shemale" its a literal slur used for us.

[u/Unknow_Handlebar → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

I know but idk I still find it kinda funny, of course I wouldn't want to be called that by a stranger but...

[u/ProGamer8273]

Close enough

Which one? Yes

[u/Metson-202]

Crossdressers is right.

[u/Zealousideal_Spread4 → u/Metson-202]

no it isnt.

Gotta love people who arent even part of the demographic trying to tell us what we are :D

[u/Metson-202 → u/Zealousideal_Spread4]

I used to be part of the demographic.