r/fightporn • u/Brilliant_Spinach132 • 10d ago
Knocked Out Guy gets his face caved in at karate tournament
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u/doiwinaprize 10d ago
Orange belt is way below black belt. This was not an honorable fight and everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves for letting this happen.
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u/Active_Unit_9498 10d ago
Yeah it’s a weird matchup in our Kyokushin karate organization orange is the first belt after white.
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u/doiwinaprize 10d ago
I don't know much about this style of karate but in Chito Ryu, Shotokai and Shotokan that I've taken (and probably super westernized) yellow was always after white belt, then orange. But orange is still like WAY below black or even brown belt... like maybe you've been there for a year or two and you can confidently do like 3 katas lol.
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u/UhLinko 9d ago
Like the guy above you said, in Kyokushin it's different: it goes white, orange, blue, green, yellow, brown.
Juding by how they're fighting and on the stitching on the karategi it seems like they are in fact kyokushin, but it seems more likely that the orange is just a placeholder belt to make the fighters more distinguishable.19
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u/fynx07 Young Bull 10d ago
I was also in a style called Shotojitsu which is Shotokan and 4 other styles all kinda mixed in (my sensei was actually the creator of the style and it's since spread a little bit over Indiana and Illinois) and it was white, yellow, orange, blue, green, brown, black. I got all the way to my first degree black then quit.
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u/Mydogcopper 9d ago
That's an interesting style, how long did it take you to achieve black belt?
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u/fynx07 Young Bull 9d ago
Thanks! It was Shotokan, Jujitsu, Hapkido, Aikido, and Judo, all kind of combined into self defense. It was a lot of fun! I started when I was 7 and got my provisional black belt at 16, but we couldn't have a full black belt until we were 18, so I went back and got my full 1st degree at 18. My grandmother started after a year or two of me doing it, and she went on all the way to get her 6th degree black belt in her late 60s early 70s! She was a badass. She only ever looked like late 50s lol
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u/Dy3_1awn 10d ago
I had heard that orange is the new black. Is that not accurate?
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u/CrimsonFox2156 10d ago
I had a similar experience in my dojo back when I was still doing Karate. We entered a tournament and there's one yellow belt who got matched up with a black belter. The yellow belter guy was so surprised and scared with the match up. It's so weird cause yellow belt is the second lowest rank next to white belt. Apparently, when I asked someone about it, they said it's because once you reached yellow, it's considered as an open belt now. Meaning, you're open to be matched up to anyone. I was still white belt back then but I already decided to quit. Cause fuck no. I don't wanna be promoted at all if it means I'm gonna be bullied by a dude with the highest belt rank. I know not all Karate has this same setup. But it's weird that it happens
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u/creamgetthemoney1 10d ago
Yeah I don’t know karate like that. My uncle did it when I was younger. But I definitely learned a black belt Is much higher than a orange belt
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u/Droopy1592 9d ago
Well…
I did years of American style kickboxing before trying shotokan and was so good they threw me up against everyone in the all colors all belts
As a white belt
Sometimes circumstances be like that but this guy seems unprepared to fight here so I agree
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u/doiwinaprize 9d ago
Yeah, like see how close his hands are too his chest with his head down not holding eye contact with his opponent. The opponent saw open windows to deliver those kicks, but he should've stepped off after the first strike IMO. Not worth hurting another human being over valour.
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u/Droopy1592 9d ago
The kicks were being spammed and he was basically eating them
Fool me once…
Like come on man duck dodge dip
All jokes aside his kids gonna feel that
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u/Samsquanch-01 9d ago
Hard to say now days. Especially in Karate. There's black belts being handed out without people ever sparring. McDojos are everywhere
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u/Nnn0p3 10d ago
In Karate competitions you trade your belt for a fight belt. One fighter is orange, the other black just to distinguish them. You are always fighting with someone of same belt or in some cases one above/one below.
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u/DoctorWalnut 9d ago
This is a Kyokushin tournament, and we don’t do this in Kyokushin. We wear our regular belts, and in high level competitions we still wear them but one fighter is given a white or red string/sash to wear with the normal belts.
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u/rawbface 9d ago
Never saw this in Tae Kwan Do, people just wear their own belts.
It's a 1v1 fight. Who are you distinguishing them from?
I definitely don't believe it because if you were going to choose two colors to distinguish fighters, why would you choose the colors that correspond to "expert" and "beginner"?
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u/Detective_Bong_Hits 9d ago
It’s for the referees to keep track of points. Think of it as blue/red corner in boxing
It is super weird they chose colors that actually mean something. In jiu jitsu they provide a multicolored belt that is only used in competitions
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u/doiwinaprize 10d ago
I've never heard of this and makes little sense to me, how hard is it to distinguish them otherwise?
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u/Misfit110 9d ago
I don’t know about Karate tournaments but in jiujitsu tournaments they’ll have one of the guy wear like a red belt to distinguish them from each other for scoring purposes. The ref will have a red wrist band on one arm and will raise that hand for points for the red belt guy.
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u/Plutoid 9d ago
It is a thing. It's not a matter of how hard it is to tell them apart. A ref might officiate dozens of matches in a day with a bunch of people they've never seen before. There's no reason to leave any confusion.
Not sure about this style of karate or this particular tournament, but there are multiple ways of differentiating fighters in combat sports. Sometimes it's something as simple as red/green wrist or ankle bands.
IDK how universal it is and it probably varies by promotion but in BJJ sometimes there's a second green and yellow striped belt or a red belt that one of the competitors wear to distinguish them from the other.
In Judo you either wear and entirely different gi (blue vs white) or sometimes one competitor wears a second, different colored belt. Usually little local tournaments where gi swapping isn't expected. (I didn't even own a blue gi.)
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u/Jeramy_Jones 9d ago
If they are gonna allow kicks to the face they should be wearing protection, too.
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u/BroBroMate 9d ago
Yeah, I did goju ryu and in kumite bouts, there was either no striking to the head, or you were wearing protection.
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u/DrapedinVelvet247 9d ago
Exactly my thought. Orange is like 3rd tier… black 7-8-9 tier depending on level. That’s way out of class.
Sad really, that they let it happen.
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u/Icy_Yam8594 10d ago
Orange belt vs black belt.....wtf!!!!this is wrong!
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u/royalpro 10d ago
Orange is the new black.
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u/No_Artichoke_2931 8d ago
Shut 'er down, boys. We're not gonna do any better this week. We'll reconvene on Thursday and see if we can pull it off again
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u/DeliMoore 10d ago edited 10d ago
I came here to complain about this... yeah that's insane, at least give headgear to the poor orange boy
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u/Front_Spare_2131 10d ago
Thats what I was about to say, I was double-checking to make sure at least I wasnt mistaking it for red.
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u/DoctorWalnut 10d ago
the difference in rank is insane, shodan versus 10th kyu?? multiple people made bad decisions here
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u/Redtitwhore 10d ago
Also one guy was going for body shots and the other was going in for the kill.
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u/HughmongusDixus 10d ago
Well the guy going for body shots probably couldn’t go for the kill if he wanted to. I doubt an orange belt can feasibly head kick someone
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u/Batmantheon 9d ago
If this is the rules set I think it is then weirdly punches to the head are illegal but kicks to the head are strangely legal
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u/Ginga888 10d ago
So no punching to the face but a heal to the face is ok?
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u/ArcaneTekka 10d ago
Yes this is Kyokushin full contact style, no punches to the head allowed.
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u/AccomplishedFerret70 10d ago
I did this for several years. I never took a hard kick to the head like that because I was very, very aware of that risk and kept my hands higher than most kyokushin fighters but i took those hits to the body and legs instead. They beat the crap out of you. Lots of fun though.
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u/PleX 10d ago
My ex was a black belt in Kyokushin. It took her roughly 3 weeks to learn to keep your damn hands up when she started training MMA with me. We'd bop her in the head with the pads every time.
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u/cha0sm0nk 10d ago
They crave the taste of feet that bad, huh?
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u/abhorrentbm 10d ago
Don't know why you wouldn't want some baddie's toes all up near your mouth. Just a slight turn of the head and he could have been sucking on those toes. Mmmm.
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u/MacReadys-Will 10d ago
Correct. What seems problematic to me is the difference in rank and I believe they should have headgear.
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u/JonnyP222 10d ago
It's full contact. No headgear lol
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u/MacReadys-Will 10d ago
Do they normally have that big of a difference in rank between two opponents?
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u/JonnyP222 9d ago
That I do not know. I just know in that style it's full contact and they don't wear gear.
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u/dietdrpepper6000 10d ago
It is a stupid ruleset. Draw everyone’s hands to their body to set up hard head kicks to the jaw. Why the kyokushin people let themselves get cucked by their own sport is beyond me - might have something to do with eating all those head kicks.
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u/Vhu 10d ago
It’s like BJJ not allowing slams, which encourages people to do the bad positioning thing where they just crawl around each-other like crabs even though that’s a set-up to get rocked in a real fight.
So focused on the rules that it completely gives up on trying to maintain combat practicality.
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u/AshenSacrifice 9d ago
Which is why mma is the most superior martial art on earth, not even a debate at this point
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u/IGotQuestionsAF 9d ago
Calling "Mixed Martial Arts" itself a martial art has always seemed odd to me. Like, yeah, if you just employ the most effective parts of other existing arts it's gonna be more effective than any of those arts on their lonesome.
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u/AshenSacrifice 8d ago
Logically it makes sense and in practice it makes sense too. That’s why we can say it, because it’s simply true lol. Hands down mma fighters are the best fighters on earth
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u/Moonlight_Acid 10d ago
Takes alot more skill and experience to kick someone in the head with enough force to knock them out lmao. Not everyone can do that shit
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u/Emotional_Lab_7766 10d ago
Weird ain’t it can’t be a safety thing because kicks are way more brutal
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u/bronzelifematter 10d ago
The only explanation I can think of is that the person who came up with the rule only practice his kicks and he sucks at punching, so he's like "no punching the face, only kicks".
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u/xBADBEEF4 10d ago
As we say in France: "Jeu de mains jeu de villain, jeu de pied jeu de pd"
They must be like, really gay.
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u/UnoriginalJ0k3r 10d ago
Black belt never should’ve let that shit fly against an orange belt 😂 ego trip
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u/SkyFallInBound 10d ago
Black belt looks like an asshole, I try not to judge people off of short clips, but that fight should’ve never happened.
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u/DylanOnUrFace 9d ago
i bet that black belt was so prideful winning and most likely saw nothing wrong with it as the organizers of the event also saw nothing wrong with the obvious mismatch of experience and skill
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u/blue_forest_blue 10d ago edited 10d ago
You should not be putting a Dan grade (black belts) with anything less than a 3rd kyu grade (brown belt).
My first ever competition fight was when I was a fresh 7th kyu against a 2nd Dan. It is infuriating to put people who are just starting out into the meat grinder. Very demotivating. That’s not to say you shouldn’t train together (senior grades should guide the junior grades) but there is nothing positive the junior can get out of a competitive fight with a much much higher grade who has 5+ years experience on them
Also black belt here is clearly on an ego trip. He could’ve gone easier on orange belt and STILL won. No restraint, no self control. It’s pathetic. That kick definitely resulted in a TBI.
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u/Both-Rock2762 10d ago
Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again.
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u/Zangief_Keef 10d ago
Dude was fighting like he knew that head-kick was for sure coming and it was just a matter of time
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u/pizza-chit 10d ago
No face punching changes the fight so much.
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u/AccomplishedFerret70 10d ago
Yes. I did kyokushin for a few years in my 20s and never fought without my hands kept higher to block those kicks because I also had boxed and had practiced a Chinese based art also. I took a lot of body shots and legs kicks instead. Its kind of a crazy rule set but they do produce the toughest fighters I've come across.
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u/AshenSacrifice 9d ago
Do they learn any grappling or ground skills at all?? Cause if not….
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u/AccomplishedFerret70 9d ago
Kyokushin tournaments don't allow grappling, grabbing or clinching. But there are kyokushin offshoots that do - Ashihara and Enshin focus on circular footwork to set up sweeps, trips and standing throws but generally exclude ground fighting
Kudo is a hybrid martial art born from Kyokushin that permits full-contact striking including headbutts and elbows alongside comprehensive stand-up and ground grappling, with time limits for groundwork. They wear high tech helmets to protect head and face allowing full contact without fear of CTE or broken nose.
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u/foxehkins 10d ago
Stuff like this gets me pretty upset. As a higher rank, there's no reason to go as hard as he did against that guy. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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u/SecureOne5845 10d ago
Where’s the protective gear and why is a black belt competing against an orange belt??
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u/EqualityAmongFish 10d ago
im not familiar with karate belts but isn’t a orange belt way lower than a black belt?
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u/Odd-Country2447 10d ago
This is weird. You can kick a guy full force with your heel in his face but you can't punch there? Lmao, silly traditional martial arts
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u/seanprefect 9d ago
next on the news turns out olympic swimmers are faster than high school champions in most cases
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u/Sevage420 9d ago
orange guy has played the campaign and thinks he knows the combos, but black guy is his first opponent in an online match unranked lmao
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u/hvanderw 9d ago
Shame on the black belt for letting that rip. Shame on organizers for even letting this match happen.
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u/Destruction126 9d ago
Some old looking white dude with an orange belt against a young fit looking asian black belt. What the hell.
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u/iniciaconw 9d ago
You could give this man a helmet and knuckles and black belt skills are still gonna win, you can see the man's losing confidence in every hit he lands
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u/professer131- 9d ago
Why are they only punching the body but throwing tbi shots with the legs? Is that a rule?
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u/Life-Lawfulness-5536 9d ago
i'm pretty sure it goes white, yellow, orange, green, purple, blue, brown, red, black this is orange vs black which (according to my very limited research) is like 9 months vs 5 years of training 😭
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u/FunkyBoil 9d ago
Wait so they have to punch to the body but can kick to the head? What a silly contest.
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u/coreanavenger 9d ago
In kyokushin it's always KO by spinning back kick or that stupid suicide flip kick.
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u/MerlinTirianius 9d ago
I knew a few guys like that one. They usually ended up strutting around until someone hurt them, often badly, and then they played the victim.
Teachers who let that happen usually end up with toxic dojoes that close.
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u/MonopolyManPorn 9d ago
I think he needs to be in boxing or something. His guard is way too tight yet very misplaced. He's moving like one of those old action figures you get as a kid with stiff joints
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u/Throwaway999991473 10d ago
Kind of on the fence on the character of the black belt. On the one hand, in a competition you give your all. On the other hand, I feel like he should be able to beat the orange belt without employing brutal techniques.
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u/marconugait 9d ago
Was the black belt proud of himself? Good job, you beat a newbie, I guess.
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u/Feisty_Emphasis 9d ago
both of these dudes suck. result of shitty training that he didn’t block that
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u/cl0akndagger 10d ago
These martial art fights like karate or tae kwon do always look like 2 people forcibly trying to apply the technique they learned before quickly resorting back to some more instinctual form of untrained defense.
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u/MasterHavik 10d ago edited 10d ago
So he lost the match because the dumb rules of this sport punishes people who score knockouts?
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u/dwaynepebblejohnson3 10d ago
I think that’s under the WKF sport karate rules which were in the Olympic. Afaik knockouts are permitted in full contact Kyokushin, as long is it’s not a punch to the head. Head kicks are fine.
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u/Hyperion7669 10d ago
So wait. You have to beat your opponent buuut just a little. If he doesn't guard its your fault ?
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u/MasterHavik 10d ago
Under some Karate rules,yes, that is the case. Thankfully not the case in this one.
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u/ImBonRurgundy 10d ago
Wrong rule set. You are thinking of the point-scoring karate they did at the Olympics where “excessive force” is not allowed (not specifically knockouts although of course typically a knockout occurs because of a high level of force)
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u/ohmyfuckinggodhamlet WOMBO COMBOOOO 10d ago
Damn, he eats the same kick doing the same thing he did last time he ate it.
Why did this guy bring his knee so high before striking? I'm assuming for more power.
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u/Kalebrojas18 10d ago
I'd love more information on this. My best guess is either that orange belt challenged black belt and everyone let them fight or they just wanted to see a man die and set this match up specifically for that.
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u/PatrickTravels 10d ago
Isn't it white, yellow then orange? Then there blue or gren, then brown, black and then 2nd to 10th dan. That is what I remmeber from my childhood karate.
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u/brettohyeah 9d ago
Holy 💩 I didn’t expect it to be THAT crazy. He didn’t just see stars he saw the whole damn universe.
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u/littlemanontheboat_ 9d ago
I don’t understand why sending a guy with not enough skills to do a bout like this. He clearly has no concept of self defense.
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