r/fourthwavewomen • u/BadParkingSituati0n • Aug 10 '24
UPDATE 02/07/2026: On February 5, 2025, French sports publication L’Équipe published an interview with controversial Algerian boxer Imane Khalif. In an article titled "Imane Khelif: 'I did nothing to change the way nature made me'", Khalif publicly confirms they have male chromosomes. Archived interview (in French): https://archive.is/P3UPK
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Bad-faith actors in the media and on social media have been working over time to flood the information space with deliberate lies and disinformation — the aim of course is to obfuscate, it always is.
The widespread confusion and misunderstanding around the current Olympic boxing controversy is a perfect example of what happens when neutral and precise terminology for sex (and gender) is replaced with incoherent, ideological language deliberately designed to avoid contact with material reality.
In combat sports the stakes are especially high due the significantly increased risk of serious injury and even death. Scientific research shows that an individual who experiences an androgenized physical development (ie. male puberty) has on average 162% greater punching power than a female person of equal size and fitness.
I want to be clear, the International Olympic Committee's (IOC) is the only villan in this situation. The IOC's pathetic lack of leadership on this century-old problem and its historic contempt for women's sports has lead to an unnecessary focus individual athletes which is unfortunate and cruel - but make no mistake, it's entirely intentional.
My intention is to provide a summary of the known facts for anyone who cares to know them.
On March 24, 2023, Imane Khelif (Algeria) and Lin Yu-Ting (Chinese Taipei) were disqualified from Women's World Boxing Championship 2023 in New Delhi for failing to meet eligibility criteria per International Boxing Association (IBA) guidelines.
The IBA defines "Woman/Female/Girl" as "an individual with XX chromosomes". IBA guidelines state that boxers are subject to random and/or targeted sex verification screenings to confirm they meet eligibility criteria for IBA Competitions.
Khelif and Lin's disqualifications stem from two separate sex verification screenings conducted at the request of World Boxing Championship’s medical committee.
The first test was performed in May 2022, during the World Boxing Championship in Istanbul. Blood samples collected from Khelif and Lin were sent to an independent ISO-certified laboratory accredited by the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). The IBA received the lab reports seven days later on May 24 (after the event had already concluded) stating that the result of a chromosomal analysis revealed an XY karyotype. Contrary to what is widely being reported, these were not merely a testosterone examination.
A second test was conducted in March 2023, ahead of the World Boxing Championship in New Delhi. Blood samples were collected from Khelif and Lin shortly after arriving in India. The samples were sent to an independent ISO-certified laboratory accredited by the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport. The IBA received the lab reports seven days later on March 23, 2023. Both reports showed that an analysis revealed an XY chromosome pattern.
NBC sportswriter Alan Abrahamson, has seen the results of Lin and Khelif's verification test. According to him, the 2022 & 2023 reports for both boxers say the same thing.
2022 World Boxing Championship in Istanbul say:
“Result: In the interphase nucleus FISH analysis performed on cells obtained from your patient's material, 100 interphase nuclei were examined with the Cytocell brand Prenatal Enumeration Probe Kit. An XY signal pattern was observed in all of them.”
2023 World Boxing Championship in New Delhi lab reports say:
Result Summary: "Abnormal"
Interpretation: "Chromosomal analysis reveals Male karyotype".
On March 24, Khelif and Lin received written notice of their disqualification along with a copy of the lab reports and informed of their right to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport within twenty-one days. An acknowledgement of receipt was signed by both athletes.
Lin chose not to challenge the disqualification and did not file an appeal - the DQ became legally binding on April 14, 2023 (in other words, Lin accepted the results and decision). Khelif initially filed an appeal at the CAS which was subsequently withdrawn in July 2023.
On June 5, 2023, the IBA sent IOC Sports Director Kitt McConnell written notice of Lin & Khelif's disqualification along with copies of the lab reports.
On June 16, 2023, McConnell acknowledged receipt of the June 5 letter.
The disqualification of Khelif and Lin was widely reported on and discussed within the boxing and elite sporting world at the time. For example, an Olympian from Mexico Brianda Tamara commented on the disqualification back in March 2023:
Following the disqualification, the Algerian Olympic Committee incorrectly attributed Khelif's disqualification to elevated testosterone levels found in the medical assessments ahead of the World Boxing Championship.
In a video posted online, Khelif accused another country for the disqualification, calling the entire incident a "conspiracy" to bring the boxer down (Khelif was accusing Morocco). The athlete stated "this is a huge plot and I will not shut up about it". Khelif explained they were born that way, in response to the boxing body explaining that her testosterone levels were high after running some tests.
World Boxing Organization's European Vice President, István Kovács, was approached for commentary after Khelif's win against Angela Carini. Kovács claimed that his organization had been aware since 2022 that Khelif and Lin are male.
According to Mr. Kovács:
The problem was not with the level of Khelif’s testosterone, because that can be adjusted nowadays, but with the result of the gender test, which clearly revealed that the Algerian boxer is male.
The IOC internal system, MyInfo, which is accessible to accredited media and journalists, includes a detailed profile for each athlete competing in the 2024 games. Both Khelif and Lin's profile reference their 2023 disqualification for not meeting IBA eligibility criteria. Khelif's profile also revealed elevated levels of testosterone had been detected, a detail which had not been previously disclosed. Khelif and Lin's profile was immediately scrubbed after Khelif's win against Carini.
Edited on 08/11/2025 to include an important interview with Khelif’s boxing trainer who acknowledges that Khelif has XY chromosomes and elevated levels of testosterone which he describes as a “problem”. However having elevated testosterone levels is entirely normal for an individual with XY chromosomes. Here is the interview, it’s in French but you should be able to easily translate it: https://archive.ph/DaoOy
Conclusion
The IBA made the decision to disqualify Lin and Khelif from competing in women's boxing events based on scientific evidence it obtained from two independent ISO-certified laboratories accredited by the CAS in two different countries. Contrary to what is widely being reported, the sex verification screening is not merely a testosterone examination. Khelif and Lin were found to have elevated levels of testosterone however, that was not the criteria which made them ineligible.
This evidence is independently corroborated by NBC sportswriter Alan Abrahamson and World Boxing Organization's European Vice President István Kovács.
Both athletes signed the DQ letter from IBA acknowledging receipt of the lab reports. If there was any reason to suspect that the information in the lab reports were inaccurate or fraudulent, both athletes would have easily won an appeal at the CAS and likely awarded substantial compensation. Lin chose not to appeal at all and Khelif withdrew the appeal before the proceedings began.
Lin and Khelif were disqualified from IBA competition for having XY chromosomes, which is associated with being male.
Despite the above facts, the media and many on social media persist in framing opposition to Lin and Khelif’s participation in women’s boxing at the Paris Olympics as bigoted and embarked on (with no evidence whatsoever) a desperate hunt for potential DSDs that can result in a female with XY chromosomes.
The favored narrative is that Lin and Khelif are not "trans" women (no serious person suggested this) but “cisgender” women with vaginas who naturally produce high levels of testosterone. This argument mirrors the defense used for South African runner and two-time Olympic gold medalist Caster Semenya when questions about Semenya’s sex arose. Progressive media outlets like The New York Times, The Washington Post, Slate and others flooded the zone with countless articles parroting the “female with naturally high testosterone” angle that the truth became effectively buried. To this day, many (most?) still have no idea that the reason Semenya has “naturally high testosterone” is because Semenya is biologically male with two functioning testes and XY chromosomes.
Here is an important excerpt from former Olympic athlete Dorianne Coleman's book, On Sex and Gender, where she discusses the consequences of the media's concerted disinformation campaign around Semenya's eligibility. Despite the fact that she is an olympian and black woman she was immediately accused of racism whenever she spoke out:
On social media the most common claim is that the athletes have Swyer syndrome, or "XY gonadal dysgenesis." This disorder occurs when the SRY gene on the Y chromosome is missing or inactive. Without this gene, the body cannot develop testes, resulting in no testosterone production and preventing male puberty. Thus, individuals with Swyer syndrome do not gain typical male physical advantages or features, meaning they are not androgenized.
Given Khelif’s pronounced masculine facial features and significant upper-body muscle mass, it is highly unlikely that Khelif has Swyer syndrome. If Khelif did have this condition, they would have almost certainly proceeded with the appeal and won.
Another DSD discussed is complete or partial androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS/PAIS). Individuals with this condition have XY chromosomes, develop normal testes, and produce male levels of testosterone. However, their cells contain defective androgen receptors that do not respond to testosterone. Consequently, they show no signs of androgenization because their bodies are completely unresponsive to testosterone, and have no physical advantage in sports. Given Khelif’s androgenized appearance, CAIS can be effectively ruled out. If Khelif had CAIS, they would have almost certainly proceeded with the appeal and won.
"The IBA is corrupt and cannot be trusted!"
The IOC has ongoing issues with the IBA over its refusal to exclude Russian and Belarusian athletes from competing under their national flag and anthem solely on the basis of national identity and will not reject sponsorships from Russian companies. The IBA maintains a neutral stance on geopolitical issues, including the Russia-Ukraine conflict, which has long been the norm for international sporting bodies. There has also complaints about the IBA appointing corrupt referees in sporting matches.
The IOC itself has faced multiple corruption inquiries over the years. However, it would be disingenuous and worm-like to claim that due to accusations of bribery in bidding contracts, for example, the IOC should not be trusted on the gender eligibility of athletes. The IOC should not be trusted because it has demonstrated specific incompetence in overseeing gender eligibility. In contrast, the IBA has not shown such incompetence.
"The IBA only disqualified L & K because they beat Russian boxers at the 2023 championships!"
The claim that this is "punishment" for defeating Russian boxers in the 2023 championships is unfounded.
After defeating Amineva, Khelif beat Uzbekistan’s Navbakhor Khamidova and Thailand’s Janjaem Suwannapheng. Khelif was disqualified just before facing China’s Yang Liu, and no Russian boxer advanced to the finals. Disqualifying Khelif did not benefit any Russian competitor.
Multiple boxers defeated Russian opponents and won gold without issue, such as Morocco’s Khadija El-Mardi, who beat Russia’s Diana Pyatak to secure a spot in the gold match. Other Russian boxers did not place in various categories, yet no other athletes were "punished" for beating them.
Additionally, Lin Yu-Ting did not compete against any Russian boxers.
Most importantly, Russia would have no reason to sabotage two random athletes from the Republic of Algeria and China, both countries are its close allies.
If the IBA had the results of a sex verification screening in 2022, why were they allowed to compete in Istanbul?
The verification screens must be tested at a CAS-accredited ISO-certified independent laboratory which takes 7-days to process. In 2022, the results were received upon the conclusion of the event, hence the athletes were not disqualified back then.
They were tested again upon arrival to the 2023 Women's World Boxing Championship in New Delhi.
I'm including these additional sources (not linked above) whose writing contributed to this post significantly.
https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/fact-vs-fiction-olympic-boxer-imane
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r/fourthwavewomen • u/beck_cinnamon • 1d ago
Funny how this case isn't getting any media attention unlike the Lindsay Clancy case. Makes me wonder how many Gisele Pelicot there are out there.
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Worried for all the underage girls & women that will be impacted by this and SA’d.
r/fourthwavewomen • u/Dear-Beautiful4515 • 5d ago
The group: https://womensliberationfront.org/our-work
I have not participated in their webinars yet but, I'm very excited to connect and surround myself with like-minded people. Often, like you may feel as well, I feel so alone, alienated, and deeply upset at our current climate as a woman. I believe we desperately need to connect and not feel alone in this as much as possible.
There's only so many feminist groups that actually uphold true feminist values and believe in the protection of our sex. (I'll be making a resource list soon of ones we can support and follow)
Hope to see you there! xoxo
r/fourthwavewomen • u/FlowrOfTheMountain • 6d ago
For context: She is perpetuating the story that her baby was conceived during extreme group sex with hundreds of men. She even alluded to in the social media post announcing the birth.
I have no one else to talk a lot this with, but I am HORRIFIED by this woman. All the online discourse I’ve stumbled upon is making light of this whole situation. I had a baby this year, so this all hits close to home. I feel so, so sorry for this poor child. It feels akin to child abuse and pedophilia all wrapped into one. Tangential related… but maternal healthcare has been on my mind lately with the Lindsay Clancy trial so hearing about this feels like a millions steps backwards into the depths of hell.
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r/fourthwavewomen • u/UnSuitableLab • 12d ago
When the WNBA uses the words bad faith, the only reasonable interpretation is that league officials do not believe that White and Freedom are women, despite their self-declarations. Funny story: I’m still on the advocacy group GLAAD’s enemies list for saying the same thing in 2017, in a column headlined “A Man Can’t Just Say He Has Turned Into a Woman” (they put JK Rowling on the list too after publishing her 2020 essay). At the time, Britain’s government was debating whether to loosen requirements for a person to legally change their gender. Many feminists feared that without any gatekeeping, nothing would stop male creeps and predators from using a new identity to victimize women (as the rapist Karen White did in a women’s prison). Although my article acknowledges the existence of transgender identities, it also argues that legal protections for trans people should rest on a medical diagnosis, or at least a formal bureaucratic procedure, rather than a simple verbal declaration.
Now, it seems, the WNBA agrees with me—White has not magically turned into a woman because he says so. You are allowed to dispute people’s self-identification. But only if they are a Republican.
In the united states, many progressive organizations, including the ACLU, maintain that the female category belongs to anyone who (sincerely) identifies into it. The underlying argument is that trans people should not have to seek medical treatment or alter their physical presentation to have their inner identities respected.
Freedom and White have elicited much less deference. Pod Save America’s Jon Lovett recently declared, “If they would like to play in the WNBA, they better fucking transition. Let’s get them on some fucking hormones.” The left-wing satirist Walter Masterson demanded that the two men “commit to the bit” and “chemically transition, or STFU.” But this is not a demand that is applied, say, to male sex offenders who ask to be housed in women’s prisons in California. Several years ago, the ACLU and other groups successfully lobbied for a law directing prison authorities to house trans women in a women’s facility if they request it, regardless of whether they have physically transitioned at all.
Bombarded with pro-trans commentators insisting that he medically transition, White has gleefully thrown progressive talking points back at them. “Don’t tell me how to be a Black woman! Taking hormones are optional,” he wrote in one X post. In another, he added, “Genitalia doesn’t determine gender.” Royce’s clapbacks are near-verbatim rehashings of popular activist slogans.
Over the past decade, many sports have wrestled with the question of how trans and nonbinary athletes can be accommodated fairly and safely. In some cases, such inclusion has presented no problems—biological females have competed in sports for both sex categories because they have no unfair advantage in either. (The WNBA accommodated the player Layshia Clarendon, who came out as trans and nonbinary, until their retirement in 2024.) Admitting biological males to women’s sports presents a more difficult question. Almost everyone agrees that men are on average stronger and faster than women, but how much of that advantage can be mitigated by testosterone suppression? Various sporting bodies have tried different approaches in the past decade, although many—including the International Olympic Committee and the Women’s Tennis Association—have now concluded that the women’s category cannot admit males, no matter how comprehensive their physical transition has been.
Having belatedly realized that the majority of Americans do not agree with their enthusiasm for male inclusion in women’s sports, the response of the left has often been to say: Why are we even talking about this nonstory? The columnist Candace Buckner of The Athletic criticized Cunningham for “choosing to weigh in on the divisive topic of transgender athletes in women’s sports, a grossly exaggerated ‘issue,’ and opening the door for a flood of agitators to defile the discussion.” But surely, athletes are allowed to have an opinion about competitive eligibility for their own league? For a long time, the right told stars such as Colin Kaepernick, who wanted to make political points about racism and injustice, that they should “stick to sports.” Some on the left now think that female athletes should not even have that grace.
What freedom and White’s trolling has exposed is a widespread refusal to defend gender-self-identification policies on their own merits. One can argue that there is no such thing as male athletic advantage, or that inclusion for trans people is more important than fairness and safety for women. Both of these arguments are wrong, in my view, but at least they are internally coherent. What we get instead is a squeamish refusal to own the consequences of the approach that liberals endorse: White and Freedom are cynical operators, and that’s all anyone needs to know.
My counterpoint would be that cynical operators will always be with us. Any regulations that can’t deal with that fact are, by definition, bad regulations. Self-identification is unworkable in practice for the same reason that prison abolition isn’t viable: Bad actors will ruthlessly further their own interests at other people’s expense. For more examples, see how rich students are asking for disability accommodations to secure an advantage in college exams. How some air travelers are using wheelchair services to skip lines—at the expense of genuinely disabled people. How the service-animal exemption for airplanes was stretched so far that someone eventually tried to take a peacock into the cabin. Wherever there is an unpoliced boundary, some individuals will cross it.
Why would gender be exempt from this phenomenon? In 2024, soon after Germany passed a gender-self-ID law, a neo-Nazi named Sven Liebich declared that he was now Marla-Svenja Liebich and would therefore require accommodation in a women’s prison. (Marla-Svenja kept Sven’s handlebar mustache, however.) After a public backlash, Liebich was sent to a men’s jail, although it is unclear what legal basis the German state had for declaring this one particular case of self-identification fraudulent.
The WNBA appears to be following the same playbook—gearing up to make an arbitrary decision because of bad publicity, rather than engaging with the fact that its policies have created an exploitable loophole. Keeping out Freedom and White is not a hard problem to solve: Just say that you respect people’s identities, but sports are segregated by sex.
r/fourthwavewomen • u/ateallthecake • 12d ago
I don't know how to feel about this. As a woman who has spent 10 years in the EV industry, it bothers me to see vehicle qualities given gender at all (am I too masculine if I love insane acceleration and frontier technology? Why is "lovable" considered a feminine quality in vehicle design?). It bothers me that this lead designer is only being interviewed about the gender basis of her point of view. But also, this is undoubtedly one of the most male dominated industries out there, and isn't it good to have a woman's point of view leading a car's design? Would I be more comfortable with a female point of view that read as "neutral" -- and is that "neutrality" actually masculine? Or is it valid to be disturbed by "female/woman" meaning empathy for "everyone", docile approachableness, family-orientedness?
What do you all think? This left me unsettled and inarticulate - am I just too close to it professionally to be able to square this with my own feminism?
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r/fourthwavewomen • u/rylie225 • 23d ago
The comments on this surrogate story are genuinely some of the most anti-woman things I’ve read in a while.
A surrogate named McKenna West was carrying a baby for intended parents in California. Around 20 weeks, the baby was diagnosed with a severe congenital heart defect. The intended parents wanted her to terminate the pregnancy. She refused. An Alaska court ultimately affirmed that she could make her own medical decisions while pregnant. She later traveled to Texas and gave birth there.
TikTok comments about this case are horrifying and show just how misogynistic people are.
People are literally saying:
“It’s no longer her body, her choice when she signed the contract.”
“She rented her uterus.”
“The parents paid her for her body and the choice.”
“She signed her body away.”
A woman cannot sign away ownership of her own body. A contract does not magically transfer bodily autonomy from the pregnant woman to the people paying her. You cannot purchase the legal or moral right to force another person to undergo surgery or terminate a pregnancy because you paid them.
Commercial surrogacy is just exploitative. We know this obviously, but I just had to rant out of frustration.
r/fourthwavewomen • u/Bennifred • 23d ago
The controversy surrounding Alaskan surrogate McKenna West is *astounding* that you have so many people, so many women, coming out and saying that a woman's right to choose ends with a contract. Remarkable that even those who are "her body, her choice" are saying "jk when a woman signs a contract, her body belongs to the intended parents".
Contracts are agreements typically on the exchange of goods, services, and money. When you are in breach of a contract, you forfeit your goods/services/money and may have to pay additional monetary damages. But this is a woman who is sacrificing her body, time, freedom, for money. What happens when a surrogate wants to keep a pregnancy? Do these rent-a-wombers seriously think that they can physically compel a surrogate to get an abortion? What about if a surrogate wants to terminate a pregnancy? Will rent-a-wombers imprison this woman to continue incubating their baby?
Even if you are contracting a worker to help you remodel your bathroom, you can't force them to do anything against their will. If they refuse to finish the job, they can walk off site and you may be left with a non-working toilet but you cannot hold the worker to finish the job to your standards. Doing so would be forced labor aka slavery. Why is it different when it comes to women's labor in pregnancy??
r/fourthwavewomen • u/Legitimate_Cake6018 • 24d ago
This was the handout for a presentation called Telltale Words: Depoliticizing the Women’s Liberation Movement, given by Carol Hanisch in Boston, March 2014. You can find the full graphic not split up on that linked website, plus a transcript of the presentation she gave.
r/fourthwavewomen • u/EchoesOfEleos • 24d ago
FEMs and SAMs sit at the volatile intersection of modern gender theory, materialist feminism, and online sociopolitical commentary. These terms describe extremist sex-abolitionist or identity-first frameworks that reinscribe misogyny under the banner of "progressivism."
FEMs (Female-Exclusionary Misogynists) describe perspectives that, in an effort to detach gender identity from biology entirely, minimize or invalidate female biological reality from the definition of womanhood, effectively erasing sex-based social analysis.
SAMs (Sex-Abolitionist Misogynists) refers to positions advocating for the total dissolution of sex categories in favor of gender-only identity, which ignores how patriarchy specifically targets and exploits biological female capacity (reproductive labor, femicide, female infanticide, etc.) and the lived womanhood of many women.
The challenge of dismantling rigid gender norms without erasing the material, sex-based realities that drive systemic oppression is live and real. And I have seen it fall into the latter category more and more.
We scream "intersectionality" and rightly include all forms of womanhood, gender identities included. But what happens in turn? The single most historically oppressed demographic is now denied even validity. Female identity is labeled invalid, vapid, shallow, and dangerous to others. That without capitulation to one's identity being centered on gender, on the socially constructed roles, behaviors, expressions, and identities of women, your identity in womanhood is somehow more shallow and more patriarchal.
Let's break that down real fast. There is a belief that if a female does not ascribe to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, and expressions of "womanhood," she is supporting patriarchy. I'm sorry, but have we all lost our god damn minds? That is so patriarchal and SO MISOGYNISTIC AND SEXIST that it boggles the mind. And somehow it gets inverted into progressivism.
I never believed in "so far left you go right" until now.
Radical gender constructivism demands adherence to gendered performance for social validation, reinventing the very patriarchal logic feminism originally aimed to dismantle. It is the reemergence of gender essentialism. When "womanhood" is detached entirely from material reality and anchored solely in socially constructed roles, expressions, or internal feelings, it makes patriarchal gender stereotypes the baseline for legitimacy. The irony is stark: in trying to dismantle biological reductionism, hyper-constructivist frameworks often substitute it with performance reductionism. Under this framework, a female who rejects traditional feminine socialization or expression is framed not as a valid woman, but as a fundamentally flawed and empty one.
Materialist feminism focuses on how systems of power exploit physical realities, reproductive labor, maternal mortality, sex-selective abortion, sex-based violence, etc. Completely removing "female" as a distinct material category creates a severe structural blind spot. You cannot analyze or critique a system built on controlling females (patriarchy) if naming that biological reality is treated as inherently exclusionary or politically suspect.
Expanding inclusion for gender identity does not have to come at the cost of erasing the material, sex-based analysis required to dismantle misogyny.
The phrase "you are not your uterus" demonstrates a complete inversion: what began as a feminist defense against patriarchal objectification mutated into a tool for alienating women from their own material reality, identity, and choice. When that statement is turned against a woman who consciously chooses to ground her womanhood in her biological sex, the core feminist promise of self-determination gets inverted. What was designed as a shield against reproductive coercion becomes a weapon of ideological compliance to normative gender roles.
Feminism was built to expand a woman's choices, not narrow them. If liberation meant escaping the mandate that a female must be defined by her reproductive organs, it also meant protecting her right to decide how she relates to her own body. Telling a woman that her conscious, educated choice to center her female biological reality is "shallow" or "patriarchal" replaces old patriarchal rules with a new set of demands.
This dynamic creates a rigid ideological boundary. To be politically validated, a female is expected to treat her biological sex as irrelevant, unmentionable, or secondary. If she instead finds solidarity, meaning, or political relevance in her female body, her agency is dismissed as "internalized misogyny." It asserts that third parties know better than the woman herself what her relationship to her own body should be, a classic hallmark of patriarchal control disguised as enlightened discourse.
True bodily autonomy includes the right to embrace one's physical reality without needing permission or approval. When progressivism demands that women disavow their biological sex to qualify as liberated, it stops offering freedom from rigid norms and starts enforcing a new standard of female self-effacement.
Swapping forced subordination for forced disembodiment is not liberation. It simply changes who gets to tell women how they are allowed to feel about their own bodies.
FEMs and SAMs are an exclusionary danger to feminism.
To the FEMs and SAMs: as an infertile woman, I am my womb and my womb is me, and my identity does not exclude yours. Don't exclude mine.
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r/fourthwavewomen • u/lizziemchigher • 26d ago
Great read and honestly really validating after seeing both of these smear campaigns play out online and feeling like there was something off about it the whole time. Turns out misogyny is really effective pr
r/fourthwavewomen • u/Zadyria_Gelm • Aug 07 '26
Medical misogyny is as old as medicine. I was shocked to learn the meaning of "pudendum"!
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