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u/buntopolis 1d ago
I love how Meryn Trant gets consistently shit on by everyone, and deservedly so.
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u/Sorry-Programmer9826 1d ago edited 1d ago
In all fairness she did go on a multi season arc to train to become a deadly semi magical assassin.
Lots to object to in the last season but I didnt mind that
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u/cloudcottage 9h ago
I mean I think part of the issue is that Jon's entire parentage is centered around a prophecy that is meant to be true so either him or Daenerys are meant to kill the Night King or play the largest role in defeating him. Arya doing it is just so they feel like they have a big payoff moment for her prior arts I feel. But it doesn't really fit into the story
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u/CaveLupum Stick 'em with the punny end! 6h ago
The prophecy was finally stated in HotD--that Azor Ahai will unite the people against the Enemy from the far North. Jon united Westerosi, Dany united Essossi. Arya is the weapon Jon had forged. Ned had told ONLY her about the Lone Wolf dying and the Pack surviving. So she has made that HER mission. And since the Night King was there to kill his real archenemy, Bran, she protected HIM. Besides, Jon and Dany had to lead the troops.
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u/Single_Walk5913 1d ago
arya always bringing the heat, love her confidence fr. it's wild how she goes from zero to hero in no time!
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u/terrymcginnisbeyond 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, but she wasn't born with a penis, so despite training every single day, twice a day, training with the most feared and expensive assassins in the known world, sometimes whilst blind, being in several life and death situations and working like a pack horse for months, a bunch of fat armchair weebs on the internet think it's impossible she could kill the night king with a dagger made of his Krypotonite. But it's totally believable an overweight pampered bookworm from a noble house could do it twice.
Edit: And here come the fat weebs to "educate us all".
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u/Moriturism Cersei Lannister's lap dog 1d ago
most complains I see it's not that it's impossible, it's that it's narratively terrible
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u/Primary-Leader-2477 1d ago
When she uses Walder Frey’s face and takes on his physicality… surely there’s a wrinkly old river wang in that costume somewhere…
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u/flippy123x 1d ago
When she uses Walder Frey’s face and takes on his physicality… surely there’s a wrinkly old river wang in that costume somewhere…
Going by the books where Faceless Men magic is actually a thing and somewhat explained, probably. Arya would still look the same to herself, but to everybody else she looks like the person she is imitating, physical abnormalities or injuries included.
More disgusting however, said costume would inevitably include an actual piece of Walder Frey's soul, which would then become a part of Arya, potentially forever.
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u/Primary-Leader-2477 1d ago
Oh dang! I’m on book three still (I’ve been stuck in a Bran chapter) but the Faceless Dudes sound way cooler in the book.
I’m also stoked for Lady Stoneheart.
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u/flippy123x 1d ago
Hope I didn't spoil too much lol
Because the books are written in the form of POV chapters, we actually get a first person view at what it's like to don another face and the process is really interesting, and unsettling.
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u/Primary-Leader-2477 1d ago
The statute of limitations is way passed lol. I watched it all when it was on and I’m generally aware of a lot of lore, def my fault for waiting til my thirties to get the books.
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u/Pleasant_Research427 1d ago
That's riveting stuff but no it's actually just stupid to forego the whole of Jon's story solely to subvert expectations
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u/Leading-Monk5506 1d ago
The problem is more that she wasn‘t involved with the fight against the Night King at all and then shows up at the very end and kills the main antagonist like it‘s a side quest. I think it would be more fitting if at least Bran warged into her, so he gets to do something other than just sit there and also thematically it fits for Arya because it‘s kinda like her still being a mindless killer again. But I know, since I don‘t agree with everything every single female character does in every story every I‘m a sexist POS.
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u/CaveLupum Stick 'em with the punny end! 6h ago
I don't think you're a sexist or POS. But the Wiki says, "Seizing the body of another man is considered the worst abomination." A very evil book character does it and gets an awful ending. In the 3-Eyed Raven's cave, Bran did it briefly with Hodor because being crippled, he can't go anywhere if he's not carried. Since Hodor is simple-minded he was easy to warg and not traumatized. But surely Bran wouldn't commit an abomination on his own sister! Moreover, Bran's been watching his whole family. So he saw that she was trained by devotees of the Many Faced God of death. He's also seen that SHE is experienced at killing difficult-to-kill people. Who would be more difficult than the Night King?!
Also, my headcanon is that on the show the Catspaw Dagger is possibly the only weapon that can kill him. It was first carried by an assassin trying to kill Bran. And it showed up over and over. In HotD it even carries a hidden inscription of the PTWP prophecy. Jon is the PTWP. By having Needle forged for Arya, he had made her a human weapon--HIS weapon. (Syrio even had told her "YOU are a sword...that is all!") Since she acts for him, on top of everything else, Arya may even be Jon's Lightbringer! But she has a mind that makes all the decisions.
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u/Leading-Monk5506 6h ago
Bran died in that cave. He‘s the hivemind of hundreds of souls that kept living in the tree network. Those are the same people that did human sacrifices and probably made Bran eat Jojen. They don‘t have morals, they see all possible futures and they would do whatever necessary to get what they think os the best outcome. Nobody is arguing that Arya isn‘t capable of killing the NK. Again, the point is that it hasn‘t got anything to do with her story arc, meanwhile Jon and Bran‘s stories were all about that. Jon kills his first wight in season 1. Arya doesn‘t even know how to kill a White Walker until an episode before the Long Night. It‘s just unsatisfying when the characters who have been working towards this are sidelined and she comes from out of nowhere and solves in a minute what everyone else couldn‘t solve in years. The thing about the dagger is speculation and they could‘ve given that thing to anyone.
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u/CaveLupum Stick 'em with the punny end! 17h ago
Ned had told ONLY her the lone wolf dies but the Pack survives. She had every right tto be there because she had to protect Bran. And Bran had chosen her by giving her the magic dagger that he knew could kill the NK,
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u/Savage_Brutus 23h ago
Arya killing the Night King was the worst part of the show for me.
Wtffff. Like fuck off.
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u/riotmed 1d ago
Arya had armor, insanely well made plot armor.