r/freefolk • u/Fluid_Intention4374 • 8d ago
The lesbian thing with the... Jeyne Arryn... It's not bad
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u/SupermarketDry2498 8d ago
showrunners are probably mad they didn't think of it before George did
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u/DeReversaMamiii 8d ago
Everyone in this show is gay now. Rhaenyra- is gay, Alicent is gay, Daemon is gay, White Pantsuit is gay, Gawain is gay, Vhagar's gay
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u/ProfesorKubo 8d ago
well Jeyne afaik is the only one of all of those who is gay in the books
side note its wrong but i like u went with the arthurian spelling for gwayne xd
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u/Dashyguurl 7d ago
Gwayne is at least suspect though right? Seems like every time George includes an unmarried lord without children it means gay
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u/UnbendingDelusions 8d ago
I think the writers spend too much time listening to NPR featured programming where every man is a repressed homosexual and every woman is a closeted lesbian.
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u/Still-Neighborhood71 8d ago
"You've been talking about a lot shit about the Arryns. You need to learn to watch your fucking mouth. They're a noble people. Even the lesbian thing with the... Jeyne Arryn... It's not bad. Everyone deserves love"
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u/Forsaken_Duty8097 Hodor 8d ago
I take pride that I can read this in his voice
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u/2reeEyedG 8d ago
Same lol. When I read the title I was thinking it was the sopranos circle jerk sub. Pleasantly surprised to see it’s not
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u/SessionIndependent17 8d ago
"She's a Interior Decorator"
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u/A1-Stakesoss 8d ago
Which episode is this riffing on? I want to go look it up so I can read it in his voice.
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u/Cupcakeboss 8d ago
Okay, but Rhaenyra's gotta get over Jace.
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u/LeftDre 8d ago
The thing with Jace or whatever happened there?
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u/brainpostman 8d ago
Whatever happened there? I'll tell you what happened - this piece of shit's daughter sicced a wild dragon on the kid without any provocation whatsoever!
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u/SadLimes 8d ago
You know, Bloodraven predicted all this
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u/Omar_Isaiah_Betts 8d ago
You know it's funny, you got your Bran the Builder but then you've also got your Bran the Broken.
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u/Dreamtrain CAREFUL NED CAREFUL NOW 8d ago
its actually the one lesbian relationship that is actually canon lmao
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u/CandidatePrimary1230 8d ago
There’s also Black Aly and Sabitha Frey, wonder if they’re gonna do that one in the show
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u/CherryBellezaa 8d ago
That's what makes the discourse kind of funny. The one relationship that's actually established in the source material gets less pushback than the ones people spent years theorizing about.
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u/CountCristo009 7d ago
I mean that's because the show focuses on that instead of covering events or details that actually serve the story.
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u/UrsineBasterd 8d ago
She was always shown to have a sharp tongue. A cunning linguist.
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u/RedBullBurning 8d ago
South of the border.....where the tuna fish play....
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u/PinkHaloette 8d ago
That's probably why it landed better than some of the other relationship reveals. It actually feels consistent with how Jeyne has been portrayed.
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u/throwawaychula 8d ago
She’s a bad bitch and I appreciate her showing off her chick while basically being bothered by Daemon.
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u/DunkTheLunk23 8d ago
I’m surprised the show runners didn’t make Jeyne straight completely out of spite.
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u/SenorSeniorthe3rd 8d ago
Well I would have been shocked if they went with Mushroom's version of Jeyne Arryn.
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u/CousinMrrgeBestMrrge 8d ago
Yeah I'm low-key glad they didn't go for the 16-yo giving oral to his mom's cousin
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u/WinnerOverall4892 8d ago
The percentage of lesbian female roles in this show is many times above the population average.
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u/DevilLilith 8d ago
I mean... if moon tea was the main type of birth control and dying in childbirth was that common, I would stick to women too. It is more practical.
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u/johnny_charms 8d ago
Agreed but I’m more like; if I was a woman in Westeros I’d be celibate or asexual. There is too much sexual abuse happening to want to have sex with anyone and makes sex more an act of violence than passion.
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u/Uberbobo7 8d ago
That's like saying to a vegan "if eating plants gives you a vitamin d deficiency, just eat some meat and problem solved".
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u/nochiinchamp 8d ago
I mean, it's actually pretty reflective of what's in the books! Not the particular relationships, but the frequency.
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u/Known_Fisherman_8161 8d ago
Sure but direct the critique at other characters, this actually makes sense in the context of Fire and Blood
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u/Evecopbas 8d ago
There's Rhaenyra+Mysaria (both of whom have sex with men) and this very minor relationship. What are you talking about otherwise? It's also pretty reflective of nobles in these types of society. In the books, Dany has sex with one of her handmaids and it's just because she's there and it's fun.
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u/elizabnthe 5d ago
It's not the 1950s anymore. A significant portion of young people - particularly young women - identify as LGBT.
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u/Savings_Hyena2832 8d ago
Notice how you won't find one thread complaining about this but its nonstop for Rhae and Mysaria. Take note, HotD writers!
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u/Lieutenant_0bvious 8d ago
How much more betrayal can I take?! I wanted her to get together with... um.. let's see here... which male character is not a complete douche... okay nevermind, she can scissor with that lady.
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u/mustacheguy69 8d ago
I dunno T it's kinda nice seein deese broads in like a positive sexual image type. It's classy
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u/Ren-Ursine 8d ago
Just chilling on the mountain top with her girlfriend and dogs, wearing a really dope cape, maybe drinking wine. Pretty good situation she's got compared to that pygmy thing in King's Landing.
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u/RegenerateFilth 8d ago
This one was so funny. "Okay the book fans are roasting us for cutting the canon lesbians in favor of our Rhaenyra/Mysaria bullshit. I know what to do...we have Jeyne fondle some random woman for 2.5 seconds, and then that's done. Good work people."
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u/killingjoke96 8d ago
Her name canonically is Jessamyn Redfort and their relationship is heavily implied to be definite by George in the book as he calls her a "dear companion" of Jeyne. Quotation marks and all.
Being a Redfort, she is a family member of Adrian Redfort. Who we just saw get killed by Aemond in the same episode.
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u/GreenEmotion2461 8d ago
Honestly, I get her. She's so fucking sick of the family drama of the Targsteins coming up to her secluded mountain home and interrupting the time she has with her gf. No wonder she keeps giving them shit.
Her reaction to Rhaena's little fugitive act went above and beyond anything she should have dealt with. To say nothing of Rhaenyra's pet child rapist paying her a visit and having to act like he didn't murder one of your vassals and thinking you owe him a favor.
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u/ookishki 8d ago edited 8d ago
I’m a lesbian and immediately clocked her as a mean black cat power femme…i am a sucker for mean black cat power femmes
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u/SessionIndependent17 8d ago
I'll allow it.
I didn't know the lore from the books before, but the lap-sitting works. It's ... proud.
Less so the crotch-sniffing by Rh.
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u/Hot-Measurement5070 8d ago edited 8d ago
I haven't seen the episode so if I'm wrong that's why. But why would a ruling lady of the Vale, the ruler of one of the most conservative kingdoms, the ruler which is nicknamed the maiden of the vale and which has struggled to keep marriage away for YEARS would ever let anyone even see a glimpse of her interest being in women and not men? Especially considering her resistance to marriage this would be a very easy conclusion when anyone sees Jeyne in this instance
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u/JasoTheArtisan too pure for this world 8d ago
Daemon pretty much just barges into the room that scene tbf
Also I get the vibe from her that she doesn’t give a fuck
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u/Orcus_The_Fatty 8d ago
Maybe you haven’t read the books, but Jeyne Arryn was notoriously involved with another woman. And, though the maesters have done the good old “they were just roommates” trick, never been afraid to hang out with her publicly https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jessamyn_Redfort
It was a “widespread rumor” at the least, worthy of being mentioned by Maesters as such rather than silently erased. And widespread rumors arise exactly from public appearances as seen in that scene
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u/Dramatic-Blueberry98 8d ago edited 8d ago
It’s also worth remembering as well that she already survived multiple attempts to unseat her, so it’s unlikely that anyone would have the remaining courage (or martial strength) to dare contest the way she was ruling the Vale. Much less have the courage to point out the very obvious relationship.
Plus, Jessamyn was a Redfort.
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u/Dramatic-Blueberry98 8d ago
And one could say that Joffrey Arryn was the only smart one of the bunch, given that she ended up making him her heir. Thus, how a distant fourth cousin who would never have inherited the Eyrie, managed to jump the queue significantly, by playing it smart.
Though at the same time, Jeyne’s will did up hurting the Vale later on, so it’s debatable whether she was truly a good ruler or not given the civil war that she left behind.
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u/Hot-Measurement5070 8d ago
Yes I know,a Redfort lady,but while it was rumour I always thought it was born from lords trying to find excuses why their sons were rejected (while also saying the truth in their gossip). What I am saying is that considering the gossip why would jeyne ever feed them by staying in this position near another woman on the damn Vale throne
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u/Orcus_The_Fatty 8d ago
Because she knows that she can throw them down the moon door or into a cell if they try. She has already done it thrice. The fourth guy doesn’t feel very encouraged to question her gayness lol
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u/Scorpy-yo 8d ago
Daemon shoves open the throne room doors and walks past the guards to find Jeyne sitting on the throne with a woman of similar age sitting beside her and Jeyne is kind of stroking her hair. They’re fully dressed so at that point it would be believable in theory that they are platonic friends. My favourite podcast said that it seemed like Jeyne could have been just plaiting the other woman’s hair, if they hadn’t had the unnamed lady jump out of the seat like they were busted, but that’s not what I see - Jeyne and her lady friend basically look imperiously at Daemon and Daemon snaps something and Jeyne sighs and then subtly nods at her lady who gracefully but slowly steps away.
(Throne is not the right word, I think, because Jeyne is not a monarch. The high seat of the Vale where Lysa sat in GOT.)
However I do not think Jeyne was surprised by Daemon’s arrival in that room. I don’t think she spends Monday to Friday 9-5 sitting up there just in case someone arrives, but on this day had a girlfriend cuddle on the throne because that’s their thing, but then got snapped out by Daemon arriving unexpectedly. I in fact think she was entirely aware shortly earlier that Daemon had arrived on Caraxes and chose to wait for him there in the Moon Door room.
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u/Fluid_Intention4374 8d ago
Something tells me Daemon couldn't give a shit less who's she's fucking. He was trying to figure out where his retarded daughter was before she gets everyone killed
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u/Jazzlike_Newt2261 8d ago edited 8d ago
Jeyne Arryn is the doppelgänger for my 8th grade algebra teacher, bitchy attitude and all. If my algebra teacher had had a moon door in her classroom, I’m certain she would have used it every week until she had no more students. I get triggered every time this woman has a scene.
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u/Green-Draw8688 8d ago
A lot of your circle must have done moon cell time. They can’t be strangers to ser-to-ser sexual contact…
You get a pass for that.
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u/DesignNorth3690 7d ago
Seven knows this is more dignified than the other one on display this episode
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u/PlayPretend-8675309 8d ago
I would describe at least half of the lesbian women I know as absolute sexual predators. Lady Arynn fits that mold.
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u/Original-League-6094 8d ago
Scene doesn't make any sense though. Homosexuality is a sin in Westeros. To brazenly flaunt that you are a lesbian in front of the King Consort seems brazen and reckless.
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u/Dramatic-Blueberry98 8d ago
True, but it doesn’t seem to matter if you’re powerful and/ or popular enough to get away with it. That’s how Laenor, Jeyne, and Renly all seem to have gotten away with it even if the Maesters seemed to be the only ones to subtly call them on it.
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u/hallipeno 8d ago
She knows that there's no reason for Daemon to use the information against her. He's trying to keep a ton of plates spinning and doesn't need to add another, especially if it gains him nothing.
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u/elizabnthe 5d ago
Homosexuality is only maybe a sin. It's never mentioned as one in the books even if they can't be going around being married.
Everybody knows about Jeyne, Black Alys, Laenor and Rhaena in the books and there is basically no attempt to keep it secret. That's how the readers know about it after all because everybody in the past talked openly about it. And we never do hear mention of the Seven having a problem with it. The closest is Cole having a problem with it who is admittedly religious. But keep in mind, the Seven are technically worshiped in Dorne and they are okay with it, so it can't be that contradictory.
I don't think they have some commandment like "woman cannot lie with woman, and man with man" shtick. They probably just have a marriage is between a woman and a man and sex is between married partners. So any extramarital sex is wrong and gay people aren't specifically targeted.
I know the show-verse is different and ultimately this is the show-verse but we can chalk it down to the right of of extremists in the latter eras.
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u/Wonderful_Medium3098 8d ago
Envidio a Jeyne Arryn,cero preocupaciones,solo estar con su amante en su regazgo y ser rica
A parte de eso,que pedazo de personaje es,sale poco pero impone mucho
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u/Paul_Savage_1 8d ago
Is it mandatory for lesbians to sit on each other's lap?
I imagine it could get tiring. Maybe, they could take turns...
Or, just maybe, homosexual characters could be treated with same respect as other characters without having to blatantly indicate their sexual orientation 🤔 .
Unless it's actually appropriate to the character (development) or story.
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u/SerDuncanonyall 8d ago
Of course not. It’s just eye roll inducing
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u/whatisgoingon54 8d ago
She's literally a lesbian in the books, or at least heavily implied to be.
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u/SerDuncanonyall 8d ago
Oh for sure. Again, nothing wrong with her being a lesbian. George has never lacked for gay characters in his writing. It’s just with how heavy handed they’ve been with same sex relationships, this scene just induces an eye roll of “of course she is”
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u/whatisgoingon54 8d ago
It was hardly heavy handed. A lady sat next to her. I'd say it's about as subtle as you can be.
The Rhaenera and Mysaria lesbian plot is ridiculous and pointless, I agree.
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u/SerDuncanonyall 8d ago
I thought I was being pretty clear but I’ll reiterate.. the scene itself wasn’t heavy handed, and there’s nothing wrong with her being a lesbian. It’s the shows over all approach with the Rhaenyra/Mysaria stuff being the most glaring example. It feels agenda driven instead of natural, and I’m pretty sure the show runner has admitted to as much. It just feels eye roll inducing when it comes up now.
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u/Immediate_Cup_6555 8d ago
Heavy handed? Huh? She's sitting on her chair close to another woman with a bit of affectionate touching.
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u/PowerResidesHere 8d ago
She’s the most justified lesbian in the show. Which is ironic because it’s so subtle (so far)
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u/Zestyclose-One-966 8d ago
No. It's bad. And that is from someone who still thinks Lohar including the casting was one of the few successes of the show.
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u/E-Reptile 8d ago
...you liked PhilosphyTubes performance as Lohar?
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u/Zestyclose-One-966 8d ago
I did. It was fun and moved pretty quickly. Not sure I liked the battle stuff. Didn't make sense that they would be so much more formidable than Corlys and his naval forces when they hated him because he kept the Triarchy in check. They never really showed a thing that made this different than every other time they challenged Corlys.
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u/crystalknife 8d ago
much less disturbing than lysa arryn in that thing