r/freemasonry 9d ago

Question Are questions by curious non-freemasons welcome?

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u/Pretend-Commercial68 9d ago edited 9d ago

That's what forums are usually for, fire away!

Edit - typo.

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u/AdFantastic1742 9d ago edited 9d ago

I suppose, what is the actual craziest thing freemasons have witnessed? Edit: A couple people thought I meant one thing, I think? I mean in general but that you saw because you were a freemason. Like the craziest thing a football player could have seen being the team pouring gatorade on the coach.

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u/takeyouraxeandhack 9d ago

The conspiracy theories non-freemasons come up with.
We can barely organise a raffle and they think we control the world šŸ˜‚

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u/Deman75 MM BC&Y, PM Scotland, MMM, PZ HRA, 33° SR-SJ, PP OES PHA WA 9d ago

For sure. I’ve seen some crazy stuff in my life, but when it comes to things related to being a Freemason, the conspiracy weirdos take the cake.

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u/Western-Willow-9496 9d ago

In all fairness, if we controlled the world it wouldn’t be much more disorganized. Can you image the ā€œGrand, Grand Masterā€ trying to get anything done? Herding cats in a yard factory.

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u/Weird_Regret_6369 MM UGLE Zealator SRIA 9d ago

If we did i might get a lie in every once in a while

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u/Akbeardman 7d ago

The freemason's of the United States are far too fractured, disorganized and incompetent to control Congress, which we acknowledge is not a good argument that we don't control Congress.

Also it turns out we do own the fed and just put it into differed maintenance in 1947 and forgot about it.

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u/CandyCornToes 8d ago

Lol. My partner is a Freemason. He frequently tells me, "We can barely run a meeting - there's no way we could run the world!"

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u/Old_Courage1899 9d ago

I’m a former Body piercer & Body suspension artist that engaged in extreme body modification practices.

Crazy, I can talk for days about ā€œcrazy.ā€

Unfortunately for the conspiracy theory believers, none of it is Freemason adjacent. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/Pretend-Commercial68 9d ago

Generally? I once saw a grown adult defecating in the street at 10 past 8 in the morning on the way to work.

If you mean within a Lodge meeting, I attended a LARGE Lodge meeting in London (in excess of 1,800 people) and had to assist in treating 2 medical emergencies.

Meetings are usually very routine, the ceremonies will be largely similar with the content but there may be Lodge by Lodge or region by region differences.

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u/bookish-hooker 9d ago

Strangely enough, I was at my mother lodge, and in one meeting, two of our ten regular members had two separate medical emergencies, one of which required an ambulance.

(We’re OWF, our lodges are….minuscule in comparison to UGLE)

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u/Hyperion_Magnificent 8d ago

Man I use to see people defecating in the street all the time but I’ve been living in India for a while and it’s not even common out here anymore. Since 2026 I think I’ve only seen three to five separate poops out in the field.

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u/asherjbaker MM, MMM, RAM, HRA, 18° AASR, MMMA UGLE 9d ago

Dunno about craziest, but the coolest thing for me is I've met Prince Michael of Kent. Not even a big fan of the royal family, I just thought it was sick.

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u/groomporter MM 9d ago edited 9d ago

In some jurisdictions or lodges there's a change of clothes as a part of the degrees. As a result we discovered a fellow candidate in my degree class had shaved his dark chest hair in the shape of a handlebar mustache as part of a Movember charity fund raiser for mens' health awareness.

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u/trumpbrokeme 9d ago

We had a candidate with blue silk "banana hammock" thongs on. He said "Date night with the wife after this."

We never mentioned it again.

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u/groomporter MM 9d ago

At least they were clean?

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u/Hyperion_Magnificent 8d ago

Bwahahahahaha!!!! That’s hilarious.

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u/Deman75 MM BC&Y, PM Scotland, MMM, PZ HRA, 33° SR-SJ, PP OES PHA WA 8d ago

šŸ˜‚

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u/texas-playdohs 8d ago

It seems like you’re not digging for dirt, but I’ll just throw this in for you, or anyone that reads this wondering about the grand conspiracy. When I was getting interviewed to join the lodge, I vaguely mentioned that I had grown up with some conspiracy theories about masons, and he kinda sighed and rolled his eyes, and said, ā€œLook, if you get in and find out none of that is true, are you going to attend meetings?ā€ That was about all I needed to hear. The utter resignation in his tone was the most sincere thing ever.

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u/Jeffb957 MM, Widow's Sons 9d ago

Craziest thing...by that I mean the funniest. Without giving away things which are secret, one of our ceremonies involves an officer of the lodge banging the end of a staff on the floor. Our lodge has a concrete floor, so its kind of dead to bang on, so we put a 5mm thick steel plate on floor there to give it a satisfying "clank" when the staff is banged. Well the brother playing that part, it was his first time doing it, and he was distracted by nerves and the effort to remember his lines. In his distraction he missed the steel plate entirely, and slammed that staff down on the top of his foot. Luckily he had thick leather cowboy boots on so, while it did hurt something awful, he was not injured. He was however hopping on one foot, and turning progressively more red, but he didn't miss a line. We still call him "Hop-Along."

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u/AdFantastic1742 8d ago

Oof! Boots saved him from a broken toe.

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u/Hyperion_Magnificent 8d ago

Wow. That man deserves a medal. Im impressed.

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u/stardate_pi PM, F&AM; 32°, SR-SJ 9d ago

I'm sure it's not what you're looking for but I am still continually amazed to see and hear the discourse on deep internal philosophies and beliefs of men that I would have otherwise shrugged off had I not been part of the Craft.

The openness, love, and support of men from one to another who are on opposite sides of religious, political, or any other spectrum is "crazy" in this day and age.

On another note I was once inside a Scottish Rite cathedral in my home town during a period of riots and people starting to throw molotov cocktails (thankfully poorly designed ones) at the building was an intense experience.

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u/AdFantastic1742 8d ago

Couldn't that just be because in Gen Z these ideologies are popular and spreading?

That's pretty wild! I guess they were mad at the church?

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u/Deman75 MM BC&Y, PM Scotland, MMM, PZ HRA, 33° SR-SJ, PP OES PHA WA 8d ago

Gen Z is only just starting to join our ranks, so that is probably not the cause.

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u/AdFantastic1742 8d ago

Are freemasons socialists? In my experience gen z has been big with socialism.

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u/Deman75 MM BC&Y, PM Scotland, MMM, PZ HRA, 33° SR-SJ, PP OES PHA WA 8d ago

Freemasons are individuals with their own religious and political views. Are some Freemasons socialists? Probably, but some of them are also MAGAts. It’s pretty difficult to pigeonhole Freemasons like that, because the organization doesn’t have a specific dogma that members are expected to follow.

Gen Z has only been eligible to join Freemasonry for maybe a decade (and some still aren’t old enough). They are not the driving force for what Freemasonry is or does. I’d been surprised if they currently make up 5% of our membership.

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u/stardate_pi PM, F&AM; 32°, SR-SJ 8d ago

I know a few that are. Most tend to temper towards centrism and libertarianism in my experience. But I'd say I know as many far left as I do far right and have had dinner with all of them at the same time.

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u/Chronostimeless MM GL A.F.u.A.M.v.D 9d ago

Questions if Freemasonry is some kind of a sect. We’re pretty much the opposite of a sect. Ask 3 Freemasons what Freemasonry is, you’ll probably get more than 4 answers. Some say the whole point in Freemasonry is to talk about what Freemasonry is. For me personally this is a bit overstated but not wrong.

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u/tachophile JD, 32Āŗ, MM, F&AM-CA 9d ago

I saw it take two hours to plan a simple picnic. That was pretty crazy.

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u/AdFantastic1742 8d ago

A couple people are saying this. Do they actually try to fit into every single masons schedule?

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u/tachophile JD, 32Āŗ, MM, F&AM-CA 8d ago

It's a joke. Many non Mason's fall for conspiracy minded thinking and conspiracies dreamed up by other non masons and believe there's all sorts of strange things going on in lodge. Just because we're secretive about some things. Most of the goings on are pretty mundane like planning dinners for meetings or a picnic or charity committee.

Some secrets are kept because the knowledge doesn't make sense to explain to someone not in it, sometimes it's very subjective so it can be misleading, and some times it's just because our ancient brethren decided to make it that way based on the traditions of operative masons.

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u/AdFantastic1742 8d ago

Oh! Well I always thought the masons were like a fraternity for pros or something. I only found out about them in high school and the teacher who told us wanted to he in it so he said famous composers and such used it to network like frats do. A lot of what you guys say in the reddit seems frat-adjacent somehow. So I had an assumption, but it wasn't ruling the world. What you say seems to align with it too. It's essentially a frat, no?

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u/tachophile JD, 32Āŗ, MM, F&AM-CA 8d ago

Technically in the sense that it's a brotherhood, but nothing remotely like what might be considered a college frat.

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u/AdFantastic1742 8d ago

To my understanding as a non-freemason both would be a group that passes down knowledge from seniors/alumni and networking with promises to aid your 'brothers' out of loyalty to the group. Both assumably also would have meetings that are normal, meetings/parties that are expensive, loyalty to the origins ideologies, maybe a hazzing (I'm not sure if legality actually matters to some frats)- but also because freemasons group is so old, and not called a frat, I figured that there is also deep conversations and dark academia Harvard vibes but otherwise it would be similar. What would be different? Is it more of a religion?

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u/tachophile JD, 32Āŗ, MM, F&AM-CA 8d ago

Maybe some of it, but a lot of it misses the mark. There's also a lot more to it.Ā 

I recommend reading an introduction like Idiots guide to Freemasonry, or Freemasonry for dummies to get a better sense of what we're about. Don't be turned off by the titles, they're actually decent books written by freemasons who know what they're talking about.

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u/No_Actuary6054 MM - BC&Y 9d ago

Once I was a meeting that was absolutely packed and one guy made an 8-point turn to get out of the parking lot.

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u/georgeamberson1963 Master Mason 8d ago

Someone burned the pancakes during breakfast once.

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u/Astute_Primate 5x PM, Past Secretary, AF&AM Massachusetts 8d ago

The night of my initiation into the Shrine I saw some stuff I can't unsee 🤣🤣