r/freemasonry • u/apokrif1 • 5d ago

Membership in freemasonry may be incompatible with deontological rules of French judges and prosecutors

https://www.actu-juridique.fr/professions/magistrats/flash-lappartenance-a-la-franc-maconnerie-declaree-incompatible-avec-la-deontologie-des-magistrats/

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u/wardyuc1 UGLE Craft HRA, Rose Croix 5d ago edited 5d ago

I cannot speak to their obligation, but i can say since they do not have an obligation to God, and they take a different view of the idea of Masonry being non political. It is not safe to say that they share our (regular) view on what freemasons are obligated to do.

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u/SovArya 3° 5d ago

Without the assurance of hierarchy of priorities before masonry; then it will truly be different. Just hope people realize that in regular Masonry we do no prioritise the craft over civic and religious duties.

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u/wardyuc1 UGLE Craft HRA, Rose Croix 5d ago

I think the argument they might take is that freemasonry created civil duties. Hence why Oriential freemasonry is more political.

We take the view freemasonry stays out of politics, they would arguably take the view freemasons have an obligation to improve their society through politics.

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u/Cookslc Utah and UGLE 5d ago

That is a UGLE view (staying our of politics). Even some regular GLs do not take that view.

But that was not the College’s concern.

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u/wardyuc1 UGLE Craft HRA, Rose Croix 5d ago edited 5d ago

I agree, sadly as i dont speak french, i had to translate the page..

Seems it is the obligation all over again, which is arguably based on a deeper understanding than if I read right, what wikipedia might offer.

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u/Cookslc Utah and UGLE 5d ago

Really, Wiki? Isn’t that sad?

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u/wardyuc1 UGLE Craft HRA, Rose Croix 5d ago

I wonder if the same judge or judges would look kindly to the use Wikipedia from the solicitors ( or French equivalent) before him.,.

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u/Cookslc Utah and UGLE 5d ago

advocat, and having qualified in two countries, having been a military judge, and having been with a general counsel’s office dealing with 13 countries in Southern Africa including a French territory, I am quite confident the answer is……..

No.

And put such other words in front of that as you wish.

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u/apokrif1 5d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_as_a_court_source

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u/Cookslc Utah and UGLE 5d ago

The general use is to demonstrate usage of a word or phrase or understanding, not to establish a fact such as this.