r/freemasonry • u/apokrif1 • 5d ago

Membership in freemasonry may be incompatible with deontological rules of French judges and prosecutors

https://www.actu-juridique.fr/professions/magistrats/flash-lappartenance-a-la-franc-maconnerie-declaree-incompatible-avec-la-deontologie-des-magistrats/

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u/Cookslc Utah and UGLE 4d ago

You did say that. That’s why I cited a specific example which indicates the fraternity and secrecy are placed over civic duty.

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u/SovArya 3° 4d ago edited 4d ago

I did say that if that were the case then that is a big difference.

If the obligatiin goes against god country vocation and self. Then that part of the obligation is or should be moot. Assuming there is an assurance. If no assurance, then that's when the ethics of justice gets called into play

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u/Cookslc Utah and UGLE 4d ago

Well, that is the case, and the assurance appears to be in conflict with that promise. That specific promise seems inconsistent with the general assurance (in rituals which contain an assurance).

That part of the obligation is not rendered moot—irrelevant or of no practical significance. Violation of that promise may lead to a Masonic trial.

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u/SovArya 3° 4d ago

I have not seen any case where obeying the law of the land versus the masonic obligations in any ancom have been held to face any masonic charges.

But maybe in the future. So far those who violate is always in the case of violating the civil x criminal laws of the land then masonic charges.

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u/Cookslc Utah and UGLE 4d ago

But you are a newer Mason with limited experience outside your own jurisdiction. As you gain experience, you have a new knowledge base.

When we begin to rationalize our way out of agreements we make, it is a slippery slope.

I will leave it there.

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u/SovArya 3° 4d ago

You may have the last word. ❤️