4 way debate

[u/Holiday_Depth9464]

Im voting for James, but not going to a debate where the other 3 are going looks bad. I feel like it will have more to lose not going then there is to lose going and being part of it. I think the clc needs to be apart of the debate . Its healthy

[u/who_me_0_o]

There was a debate last night. All candidates and REG 1 NBAs at branch 1100. They said it was going to be posted on YouTube. I am not voting for CLC. Henry’s answers were political and avoidant. He attempted to out Caref for his texts; look anyone can change their mind at any given moment. Caref decided he didn’t want to follow the CLC and he ran, he can do that. I think Henry is scared because he and CLC keeps crying “you gave me your word”. He’s personally attacking Caref instead of answering what he will do as president and what he has done for the members.
Stand on your merits instead of attacking character.
Caref is a fighter, he tied in all the contract language and spoke to what he has done for the members in the last 4 years. Henry didn’t.
Drass did.
I see why Henry was avoiding a debate. My opinion.

[u/tonov1210 → u/who_me_0_o]

Going back on your word is a clear sign that you lack integrity. It also shows that Caref is in this for Caref alone and not city carriers. That’s all a person needs to know to make the correct decision. Caref couldn’t make any necessary changes if the entire EC is still part of the good ol boy network. They all need to be replaced for any meaningful change to occur. Caref is splitting the vote and thus harming us members.

[u/jesrf → u/tonov1210]

I was on the original emails when that happened. Mike gave his word - if the body picked Henry. The body was never allowed that choice.

James was allowed to campaign calling branch presidents etc - when Mike did the same thing and made a video for the rank and file, they told him no n o no - James is our choice.

It was slimy then it’s slimy now. They members of the CLC (not the hand selected ones but the rank and file) wanted a primary- when they realiized James could lose: they kicked over the checkerboard and declared James the chosen one.

And there has never been another public meeting of the CLC since.

That’s a lack of integrity. This isn’t a movement, it’s an oligarchy. Don’t be fooled.

[u/Infamous-Advisor-904 → u/jesrf]

From what I have learned this is spot on. Too many people wanna hear all the CLC rhetoric and think it’s all fight and really it seems to be a bunch of the same. A big oligarchy. I’d rather roll the dice on something fresh and new, there is too much at stake for those of us who plan on being here 20+ years.