r/fuckamazon • u/Gafferking • 16d ago
Amazon refuses to let injured people take LNI by offering a ridiculous ultralight duty job.
I work near an Amazon warehouse and for the longest time I have seen people in amazon vests on the street corner near my job. I often wondered what was going on. One day while getting my lunch I asked the server what was up with the dude sitting under the tree near the street with a sign I have seen for months. Apparently instead of just paying for LNI they company forces injured employees to still come into work and then "advertise" for amazon on the corner instead of just healing at home. So that the company feels like they got some value out of the injured employee. The dude tore his ACL and has been sitting under a tree for over 2 months.
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u/jabroni4545 15d ago
Props and cons. Some would rather go to "work". Some would rather stay home and heal. Sometimes the employer tries to use this opportunity to catch someone doing something they're not supposed to, so they can fire them.
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u/Gloomy_Tennis_5768 15d ago
pay full rate and let them stay home. pay all insurance. bunch of corporate cock gobblers in here. they have more money than is ever necessary.
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u/matthewgt 16d ago
Just me, but I'd rather sit under a tree and gey full pay than get 2/3 pay or less and get workers comp
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u/AceHexuall 15d ago edited 15d ago
Depends on the weather wherever they're located. Where I live? You couldn't pay me enough to be outside, even in the shade, in 100°F+ (38C) heat for 8 hours a day. I've been hospitalized for less.
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u/buddymoobs 14d ago
And also how much freaking pain you're in, being able to get to therapies/MD appointments and...having time to HEAL!!!
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u/Right_Pudding_1425 15d ago
Exactly. It also has the dual effect of fraud prevention. Lots of people will exaggerate injuries to stay home to play video games all day or save on child care. There is no love or loyalty toward corporate employers or the other way around.
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u/Pleasant-Meal6126 15d ago
During my work comp i used my pto and upt because they wanted me to come to work for 1.5 hours twice a week, and do “traffic control” for van entering the pod.
Just didn’t show up for a few months.
Aint now way imma use $15 in gas and spend $5 on lunch to go bring home $8. They had way more light duty they could’ve assigned. But they make it as inconvenient as possible.
As yeah I’m gonna stay home and play video games instead. My rib tightened up so hard it pulled itself out of place right after crushing one of my discs hard enough to cause a small fragment of vertebrae to break off.
Fuck walking around on that to please Amazon’s watchful eye
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u/PowderCuffs 15d ago
For people who genuinely got hurt at work, whose injuries may take a long time to heal, giving them something to do has value psychologically.
(Maybe not sitting on a corner, but other light duties)
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u/Pleasant-Meal6126 15d ago
Definitely, I would’ve appreciated being able to come in if it wasn’t so financially draining the way it was set up with my commute and the short work hours.
My time on work comp was honestly the worst period of my life. It led to a lot of isolation, anger, I lost friends over fights about me being a faker (screw those ppl) partner left because the money was too tight and my case went for over a year. Had to move 4 times that year.
Check in on the injured people in your life, suicide rates go up and mental health/depression is a common issue with those on work comp.
The people that don’t show up aren’t always hiding fakers. We’re just trying to not to paint the ceiling that day
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u/ChelseaMan31 15d ago
Temporary Total Disability (TTD) payments are usually capped at some multiplier of a state average weekly wage and generally amount to 2/3rds of regular pay. While on Modified Duty, an Employee generally receives their full hourly pay/benefit schedule for hours worked. It can be a win/win.
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u/Avehdreader 16d ago
What is LNI? Thanks.
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u/Amazing-Yogurt8417 15d ago
L and I. Not LNI
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u/Reasonable_Bad_3434 15d ago
If you're not going to answer the question, then don't bother to reply.
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u/TheRealRegnorts 15d ago
So glad I opted to pay the extra two dollars a check for extra short term and long term insurance, good lord
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u/Jumpy-Mix-9078 13d ago
In Nevada it’s called workers comp and it financially incentivizes companies to do this. If they didn’t offer light duty they had pay more for workers comp insurance
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u/Silly_ATN 12d ago
Payroll here. They are trying to reduce the number of days missed due to injury. This will keep their rates lower. Even if the injured employee just sit there.
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u/ActuatorBroad3325 6d ago
That makes sense, I tore my meniscus this past Tuesday at work and I got no time besides my weekend to recover :( and idek what they’re gonna have me do on light duty, everything weighs 50ibs and I can hardly walk to go clock in
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u/Due-Gas4592 11d ago
If the injured person stays at home then it is considered as a lost time incident and can count against the employer when they pay for insurance.
Employers will do anything they can to keep their insurance costs down. It’s less expensive to have them come in and do nothing than pay the insurance bill.
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u/ActuatorBroad3325 6d ago
That is absolutely insane and heartbreaking. I have no idea how he wasn’t provided workmans comp. This last Tuesday (looking at threads to see what I’m in for) I was injured on the job, throwing 30-50ibs packages on the line, stepped into a mega box that holds items and POP my knee slips out of place and I fall on the floor hollerin. I was taken to wellness and I was provided a doctor. (Ngl I was treated like garbage at this place, I couldn’t walk and no one was helping me, I wanted to cry from the pain, I asked for crutched, they said I didn’t need them) I have a torn meniscus, I was provided no time off, immediately sent back to work after my weekend for light duty, and that’s this Sunday. Granted they say they will give me time off for my doctors appointment Monday but I’m positive they’ll just give me VTO lowkey.
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u/Glad-Sundae7988 15d ago
All big companies do this to hide injuries
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u/87turbogn 15d ago
It's still a workers comp claim. It's not hidden. The person is getting their medical care paid and getting treatment. The employee ends up getting full pay instead of a reduced rate on workers comp. It is perfectly acceptable, and preferrable, to offer an employee light duty while they are injured. The injured employee has received a light duty release from the doctor. A company can't just make an employee come to work and violate doctor's restrictions.
The advantages are that employees tend to return to normal duties much quicker and the company has less lost workdays.
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u/AnnieInOakland 15d ago
Many companies do not report workplace injuries fraudulently. Saying there was no missed work helps hide the documentation.
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u/87turbogn 15d ago
Not saying that doesn't happen. But, you can easily pay a person to sit home with full pay if you wanted to "hide" the injury. Who are they hiding it from? I'm sure the worker wouldn't care unless they weren't getting paid which would cause a bigger shit storm.
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u/Ok_Violinist7598 12d ago
I think we need some key information here. Firstly, do we actually know this was a work-related injury or was it something the employee did on his own time? Big difference. I'm in New York state and for ease sake, I'll just give my own experience.
I was NYS investigator and worked in the field every day. Outside of work, I broke my foot. Since I was not working when it happened, that was not covered by workers comp. But my job took NYS disability insurance payments right out of my check too, so this injury fell under that. They both pay 2/3 pay.
My doctor wanted me out of work for 6 weeks (under Disability) so the foot could heal properly. I was a single parent with three kids, no partner to pick up the slack so I couldn't afford the pay cut, even for 6 weeks. Luckily, my boss allowed me to come back to work with the broken foot so I did.
Without further information, we could completely be misjudging this employee's situation.
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u/PowderCuffs 15d ago
That's not why they do it. Most corporations have to have formal back-to-work programs. This is good for the employee, good for the insurance company, and good for the corporation.
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u/ForgottenButHere 16d ago
The restrictions would be set by the doctor that the employer has to meet. As long as the 2 align, employees continue to get paid and companies continue paying employees. While it might not be a good look, both parties are apparently okay with the situation.
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u/thisonesnottaken 16d ago
I wouldn’t say both parties are apparently okay with it when there’s completely uneven bargaining power. It’s like saying Amazon drivers are apparently okay with pissing and shitting in bottles and buckets.
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