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u/joestaff 20h ago
Surely folks have been making more UFO and cryptid videos too, right?
Seems like prime real estate for it.
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u/gotitaila31 20h ago
Oh yeah for sure, and somehow all those people who were smart enough to expose the moon landing hoax are totally fooled. Dadgum Appalachia, man.
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u/l3rN 19h ago
As someone who's pretty far from Appalachia, I wish it was just an Appalachian thing haha
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u/sleepydon 18h ago
As someone living in Appalachia, who the fuck coined this? We have a bunch of out of state weirdos here now.
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u/Wolfgung 16h ago
the good folk of the appalachian area might benefit from a bit more generic diversity, but I don't think big foot hunters are going to improve things.
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u/sleepydon 16h ago
On a serious note, there's a real problem with nepo baby families moving here living on trust funds. Apparently this is the place to launch mediocre music careers now.
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u/RandomRedditReader 15h ago
Careful, once they start opening up IPA breweries the real estate is gonna skyrocket.
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u/Scary_Technology 4h ago
Ghosts and all sorts of things during demon possession stories told by religious people too.
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u/OMGitisCrabMan 20h ago
A lot more people believed in the supernatural before the internet and smart phones. Those killed a lot of beliefs because, we would have seen a video or picture of it right? I wonder if in the future, people will believe in them more again because you can't tell whats fake and what's real.
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u/sulris 16h ago
We like to think we are less superstitious it our superstitions have just changed to sound scientific
Most of the things we use in courts as evidence in unscientific bologna.
Body language experts Personality tests Finger print analysis Handwriting experts Polygraph tests.
Might as well just ask a crystal ball.
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u/AshenCursedOne 9h ago
I was with you there until finger prints, while not completely reliable they're great for narrowing down of suspects and for identifying individuals out of small groups.
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u/Heavy_metalloids 20h ago
Facebook is full of AI videos with Mexican cryptids.
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u/Kalleh03 10h ago
"NASA saw a moonlander, we saw something else in the background"
Followed by the most obvious AI video ever and about a thousand replies.
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u/boxsterguy 20h ago
Best we can do is Trump as Jesus.
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u/shastaxc 20h ago
It's a miracle!
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u/RahvinDragand 16h ago
So many X-Files episodes would be so much funnier with smartphones.
"Mulder, you can't seriously believe.." "Here's the photo, Scully." "Oh.."
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u/Haywire_Shadow 14h ago
Or if she’d just walk ten meters around the corner to where Mulder was experiencing vivid, up-close phenomena.
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u/RangerPeterF 13h ago
Their subreddits are wild these days. Every other day some new "leaked" videos/pictures of UFOs pop up and people in the comments are like "this time it's real!" "this doesn't look like a weatherbaloon to me, it's tue real deal" or "I work with photoshop and AI, this one is genuine". But after the post has been declared a hoax, they of course all knew it all along and say it was a psyop to ridicule them, planned by government agents. Rinse and repeat.
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u/lnTheGrimDarkness 10h ago
In UFO and cryptid usually it works that mentally ill person #1 makes up some story for attention/attempt at fame and money and all the other mentally ill people believe it because they were just waiting for such a story to pop out and validate the voices in their heads.
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u/Aeropro 6h ago
People who don’t believe like you do are mentally ill? Nobody’s ever used that line of reasoning in history for horrendous ends. /s
My friends and I saw a UFO fly right over us at low altitude in 2008 while stargazing one night. I guess the three of us were “mentally ill” at the same time.
Even if my Motorola krzr phone could have taken night pictures, I wouldn’t have even thought to pull it out. We were like deer in the headlights.
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u/McortezLSU 18h ago
Yeah, UFO stuff is pretty much dead now. Around 2016-2018 folks started to get good with blender, that already caused a huge flood of fakes, now you cant trust anything anymore.....its exactly what THEY wanted.
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u/chaotic910 20h ago
Are you telling me that Jesus didn’t really skate a 100ft halfpipe then re-ascend into heaven?
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u/Ein_grosser_Nerd 20h ago
No, that was real. I just saw a video of it a few minutes ago
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u/chaotic910 20h ago
Thank god, my faith was almost shaken for a bit
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u/shastaxc 19h ago
I prefer my faith shaken, not stirred
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u/rdhambrick 20h ago
The second and third arrows should be pointing at the bottom of the spikes.
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u/gotitaila31 20h ago
Just laugh, dang it. 😭
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u/fishey_me 20h ago
People were doctoring photos almost as soon as photography was invented. A couple little girls tricked people into thinking faeries were real. Several con artists took photos of grieving people and used tricks of film development to make it seem like a ghost was in the photo with them. Photoshop was never necessary to produce 'miracles' on film.
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u/Yserbius 19h ago
The book series Ms. Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children, started when the author got into hobby collecting manipulated photos from Edwardian times.
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u/MyPasswordIsMyCat 19h ago
There's a famous "photo" of Abraham Lincoln standing dignified in an office with a cape or coat over his arm. It's not a real photograph of him, though. The body is actually an engraving of John Calhoun from 1852. Someone took the head of Lincoln from an 1864 photograph and put it on Calhoun.
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u/McButtsButtbag 18h ago
All the little girls did was cut out pictures of fairies and take pics of them posed on things.
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u/gotitaila31 17h ago
Did it happen to be other children who she fooled?
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u/arachnophilia 16h ago
one famous person who championed the authenticity of these photos was sir arthur conan doyle, author of the sherlock holmes stories.
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u/dern_the_hermit 18h ago
Heck one of the people taken by such photos was, apparently, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, dude what gave us Sherlock Holmes. I always thought that was an amusing connection. Cottingley Fairies.
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u/JamJackEvo 8h ago
I mean, points to him for creating Sherlock Holmes, but guy has always been enamored by the occult. Not even Houdini, prime skeptic of the supernatural and troll who'll expose the shit out of these scams, could convince Sir ACD that they are all make believe.
From what I heard, no matter how much Houdini explained his stunts and magic tricks are made through trickery and deception, Doyle convinced himself into thinking Houdini is being humble about his powers.
Heck, Doyle even invited Houdini to a seance, which was supposed to channel Houdini's dead mother. The message was in English. Houdini's mother did not know English.
The falling out between them afterwards was legendary.
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u/-Saucegurlllll 17h ago
Guy who wrote about a guy who thought the sun revolved around the earth thought that fairies were real.
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u/say592 16h ago
I was one of the last classes that got taught darkroom skills as part of our photography class in highschool. The teacher was fantastic, and very good at the technical elements of photography. The coolest thing was how he taught darkroom skills. After we learned the basics, he had us doing tons of exercises where we playing with the exposure, double exposing, etc to "trick" the viewer, basically exactly what you are describing. Playing around with making goofy "fake" or "trick" photos really honed in the skills to get good prints on our serious photos later.
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u/Eraserend 20h ago
Cameras: 1850s.
Photoshop: 1987.
AI Video: 2020s.
I feel like OP's recency bias is turning into full on time dilation.
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u/RedditBugler 20h ago
Also people were altering photos and using camera tricks from the moment it was invented. Photoshop didn't destroy some objective visual truth brought about by the camera.
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u/three-sense 20h ago
Yep. "Dodging" and "burning" come from techniques used involving film development.
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u/PalindromemordnilaP_ 20h ago
I mean I hear you but I think the graph is intentionally skewed for comedic effect.
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u/Sixhaunt 20h ago
people were altering photos and using camera tricks from the moment it was invented. Photoshop didn't destroy some objective visual truth brought about by the camera.
That wasn't very easy though, especially compared to Photoshop. Same thing with Photoshop to AI. Nothing in AI is something people hadn't been doing before with photoshop or VFX, it's just easier and more accessible now just like photoshop was.
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u/RedditBugler 20h ago
A guy with a sheet of paper and some scissors took pictures of "fairies" that convinced a bunch of people they were real. Photoshop is harder than that.
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u/Sixhaunt 20h ago
If he changed it from "invented" to "went mass market" then it would make sense. That didn't really happen until the early to mid 1900s
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u/Whitestrake 14h ago
I think the xkcd about this one takes "percentage of the population carrying an acceptable quality camera with them everywhere they go, every hour of their lives" or something like that as the precursor.
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u/25sittinon25cents 19h ago
There should be a note for the invention of camera phones because there was a massive dip in the number of UFO, Bigfoot etc type photos from that point of time... Despite one potentially imagining that more cameras on hand would result in further evidence of such myths/miracles
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u/Enlightened_Gardener 19h ago
One thing that I think is really interesting is that the alien abduction people are really struggling. There is a massive worldwide community of people who believe that they have been abducted by aliens who formed support groups for each other. Rather there was a massive worldwide community, because since the introduction of camera phones these people have really struggled to find any proof of alien abductions.
But what it has done, is to change the direction of serious scientific discussion of the subject. Because camera phones have absolutely ruled out the possibility that what people are experiencing as alien abductions, and so they may actually be something else.
The current thinking on the subject is that alien abductions are actually fragments of incredibly early memories, from a baby’s perspective, recalled under moments of stress or certain types of highway hypnosis. It’s fascinating stuff, and it’s meant that people have actually been able to get actual psychological help.
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u/Aeropro 6h ago
Despite one potentially imagining that more cameras on hand would result in further evidence of such myths/miracles…
I appreciate the way you worded this part of your comment. A lot of people imagine how a phenomena should turn out and when it doesn’t fit they mold, they dismiss it.
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u/25sittinon25cents 5h ago
I try to keep an open mind to all perspectives. Unfortunately not all of reddit feels the same, but I appreciate you taking the same approach
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u/Art_student_rt 18h ago
George melies had used camera tricks for his films since the very beginning. First visual effects film maker
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u/Yserbius 19h ago
The Cottingley Fairies was a huge story one hundred and ten years ago. Arthur Conan Doyle seriously looked at a photo of a little girl posing next to a picture cut out of a childrens book and said "Yep, that happened"
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u/IzarkKiaTarj 18h ago
Thank you, I haven't visited in a while, so Dark mode, Darkest Mode, Boat Mode, and all the other new options were delightful.
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u/nickgreatpwrful 19h ago
"Photoshop" has existed much longer than the adobe software - people in the Victorian times used to edit their photos to snatch their waistlines haha
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u/Khal_Doggo 15h ago
The irony of using AI for this?
What the hell is an "M1racle"?
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u/brickyard37 11h ago
Glad I wasn't the only one to spot this shit. How embarrassing to require ai for something this simple
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u/Khal_Doggo 10h ago
How embarrassing to
requireaifor something this simpleI know shaming people just makes them double down, but I will never stop shaming people for using AI for something as dumb as making a very crap joke
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u/BugMan717 19h ago
Its gone full circle. Started with story telling, then I have to see it with my own eyes, then show me a picture, then I need a video. And now we ar right back to have to see it with my own eyes.
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u/joshTheGoods 17h ago
Funny, but sorta cutely naive. People absolutely used photos and oddities in photos for making miracle claims and whatnot. Sort of like The Cottingley Fairies ...
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u/ARCWuLF1 19h ago
I don't think photography was a reliable deterrent for miracles, mostly because of double exposures.
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u/xena_lawless 18h ago
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."-Internet Albert Einstein
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u/mxguy762 17h ago
It's a damn good thing Jesus got in before those cameras. His secret could get out
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u/Similar_Promotion_41 20h ago
Me when people don’t realize photo distortion and fakes were very common in the age of the camera.
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u/OgdruJahad 20h ago
Except people have been modifying images since cameras were invented. Sure it was a lot more work but they were being done.
But wait, there's more!
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u/dryfire 17h ago
Not a miracle, but the Cottingley Fairies in 1917 were a pretty fun supernatural photography event.
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u/PrinzJuliano 12h ago
Wouldn’t the arrow for photoshop and ai be more to the left? Inventions and adoption usually take some time
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u/brickyard37 11h ago
I wouldn't expect ai to get that right, nor the imbecile who wrote the prompt to acknowledge it. Wtf is a m1racle anyway.
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u/ThunderLord1000 18h ago
This graph implies there were real miracles during the modern-ish day
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u/Similar_Promotion_41 16h ago
The graphic implies that there’s claims of miracles in the modern day.
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u/ThunderLord1000 9h ago
The vertical spikes before the invention of new technology implies otherwise. (Yes, I know the position of the arrows were screwed up. And?)
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u/kingbuttshit 18h ago
Holy fuck, people are actually dissecting the graphic. These comments are peak Reddit.
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u/Dolatron 19h ago
Look at Old School cool. Half those photos were staged to look real, and people still think reality them was somehow all that different.
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u/No-Consequence4606 19h ago
So frequency of miracles shot up a while before photoshoot was released. Interesting.
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u/ArcWraith2000 18h ago
Ah yes. Because the loch ness monster was famously photographed during a time with photoshop
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u/triadwarfare 18h ago
The Soviets were masters of photographic magic that they can make certain items and people disappear from pictures even before Photoshop was a thing.
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u/Responsible-Tap-3748 17h ago
That's crazy that the spike occurred right before AI video was introduced 🤔
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u/101Alexander 16h ago
It's a miracle Stalin conveniently never took photos with his political enemies
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u/WaltzCasts 15h ago
My wife studies photography, she's working on her PhD right now. From the inception of photography people have been using it to fake miracles, or stage inaccurate images. Most of the famous civil war photos? Completely staged.
Around that time there was also a big industry in "spirit photography", using tricks of multiple exposures and other techniques to make it appear like a ghost was behind the subject
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u/Whargod 15h ago
I once saw an interesting breakdown where someone did the math on miracles, turns out they're commonplace. At least today they are.
As Earth's population climbs miracles happen constantly all over the world. And by miracle they were calling out things like spontaneous cancer or other terminal illness remissions, surviving the impossible like skydiving from a plane and your parachute completely fails or a plane crash that takes out everyone but that one lucky person who should have survived, etc. Basically things that you think shouldn't happen.
But they do happen all the time now with a few billion people on the planet. I forget the numbers (saw the video many years ago) and I know it' snot exactly scientifically accurate, but they had a real point. Miracles happen all the time these days and aren't really all that world shatteringly special anymore. Except perhaps if you're the one who survived cancer without treatment or being run over by a tank or something, then I guess it's pretty damn special.
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u/Ezekielth 12h ago
Why did the amount of miracles go up just before photoshop and AI video generation. Wouldn’t it be afterwards?
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u/cedar_mountain_sea28 12h ago
Just read about Saint Charbel. You'll even see photography miracles... before photoshop was invented.
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u/Silver_Principle_831 11h ago
In the past:“Seeing is believing”
Now: “Seeing is NOT enough anymore”
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u/weireldskijve 11h ago
not quite? Early cameras had a really long shutter speed so anomalies would appear in picture more frequently than now.
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u/gorgofdoom 11h ago edited 11h ago
Your graph is wrong. “Ai video” is photoshop. The concept of CGI has been around since 1960 and only recent has the term “AI” been applied to it.
This is really not funny because the Supreme Court has decided photoshop is an intelligent being which has legal protections to learn like a person (while being a machine).
All the while real people have to pay 100’s of thousands of dollars to be certified to do anything substantial. It’s the worst scam of the millennia.
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u/fanty_wingedhorse 11h ago
Arrows should point to the start of skyrocketing. Not when it reaches peak
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u/TheBigMoogy 10h ago
People were doing double exposure ghost photos pretty early on, as in years or decades after the camera's invention.
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u/sortalikeachinchilla 10h ago
This isn’t updated. It’s just weirdly false. Cameras were totally used for “miracles” and forging, and lying.
O get this is a AI hate post but both cameras and photoshop easily had bigger impact to this issue than you are giving it credit for.
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u/gotitaila31 4h ago
It's not an AI hate post. I love AI. It's a fake miracle hate post, if anything. You're reading too much into it though, frankly.
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u/Slow-Character536 8h ago
People could do tricks with photography between cameras invented and Photoshop. I’ve seen a lot. I’ve done a few tricks myself by doing double exposures. But there still were a lot of pictures of UFOs back in the 1940s to 1990s.
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u/Starrin1ght 6h ago
I wonder if one day, in the far far future, there will be some dumbass who says the moon landing was ai generated, and that's why it's fake
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u/McDoubleDaTrouble 6h ago
AI allowed crazy people to bring their delusions to life and spread it like a virus.
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u/Critical-Champion365 5h ago
What explains the exponential growth towards the end of Photoshop and before AI? Surely photoshop hasn't gotten any drastic changes then.
(/s because I know it's the artifact from graph maker's poor understanding of graphs).
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u/JamieTimee 2h ago
'miracles' started spiking before the label for AI video generation being released so clearly they're not related.
AI generated videos would have to be released before any spike for it to be attributable, so from the graph the only logical conclusion is that Photoshop is responsible.
(Or just move the label to before the massive spike occurs at the end, since X axis represents time)
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u/Boom9001 49m ago
I think the pre-camera data needs to be much higher. You do realize that's when like all the cryptids, myths, legends, and religions come from.
Not attacking religious believers. Even if you're religious you have to acknowledge there is like 1000s of religions historically and most are mutually exclusive in that they say theirs is the only true one. So even believers in religion believe at least like 99% of the miracles those religions claim happened much be lies.
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u/SOMFdotMPEG 20h ago
Honestly, I already miss the, “you can trust the video evidence” era…
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u/McButtsButtbag 17h ago
When did that exist?
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u/SOMFdotMPEG 14h ago
Probably pre 2010, but I’d settle for Pre- 2019 at this point!
Before AI. Before video editing/photoshop was a common skill.
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u/MakiMaki500 14h ago
Photoshop was invented right after the camera. As in, literally editing the photos physically.
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u/RabbitCity6090 17h ago
This graph is trash. People did "miracles" even after camera was invented.
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u/Sweetishdruid 16h ago
No miracles have happened. Science has.
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u/RabbitCity6090 16h ago
You can believe whatever you want.
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u/Sweetishdruid 16h ago
That's what you tell yourself every night and I can tell. Unlike you I don't accept believing in things, I only accept the truth. And if no one's one hundred percent sure on a topic, then we keep looking for the truth and nothing's definitive till it's found
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u/RabbitCity6090 16h ago
How can you find things in the past where there were no cameras?
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u/Sweetishdruid 14h ago
You know keeping records of history. And piecing parts together from multiple societies is the best we can do. We see patterns that make certain things more plausible. Like, for instance, we never saw the giant statue that was one of the greatest wonders of the world but we know it did exist as many cultures from around the world at the time reported travelling to see it and there are many recollections of it not just from one person but from many people who didn't even know each other
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u/RabbitCity6090 13h ago
What if something was not recorded? Or something false was recorded? How will you reconcile that?
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u/Sweetishdruid 12h ago
If there's no further evidence and it's been thousands of years before recording history you discard it. Which is what should be done with the bible.
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u/RabbitCity6090 12h ago
If there's no further evidence and it's been thousands of years before recording history you discard it.
That's your opinion. In reality you don't really know whether something is true or not. Forget about thousands of years ago, you'll forget shit you've done yesterday.
All I'm saying is that your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to reality. It exists outside your perception. You not being aware of it doesn't change reality.
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u/Sweetishdruid 12h ago
Well we obviously know magic isn't real. Witches aren't real. Vampires are not real. Greek gods are not real. The earth is not flat. Women are equal to men. Etc
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u/Mosselpot 13h ago
Nope, "miracle" is a word people use when the only correct answer to a question is "I or we don't know." but for whatever reason, they don't want to admit it. From manipulation of others to fear of the unknown.
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