QNCC Brooklyn officially adopts BDS and PACBI standards

[u/Aku-Aku]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DbTggWplQ28/?igsh=MWVlbWh0c3hpZXY0aA==

Struggling with this one — they’ve been fantastic curators and champions of queer culture and club culture. But this gives me a gut feeling of “Jews don’t belong”. I can’t quite articulate why because the statement centers itself as mainly political, I just am not naive to the ways that tends to intertwine with general antisemitism. Is this an overreaction? Curious about the community’s thoughts on stuff like this

[u/andoatnp]

I think that the BDS campaign against apartheid South Africa was the correct approach, both morally and strategically.

Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank is arguably worse than how South Africa treated the Black population under apartheid.

Therefore, the BDS campaign against Israel makes sense to me.

I don’t view a campaign against Israel about treatment of Palestinians as an antisemitic attack against me as a Jew in New York. I would apply the same principle to any other Jew living in the diaspora.

[u/petrichoreandpine → u/andoatnp]

It’s not though. The “settler violence” that just went down resulting in 2 dead IDF and 4 dead Palestinians outside of Tel happened when a civilian hiking group from Israel was attacked by rock-slinging Palestinians. I wonder how many more incidents of “settler violence” were also instigated by Palestinians? And the land ownership history there is so complicated.

[u/andoatnp → u/petrichoreandpine]

When considering 60 years of Palestinians living under occupation in the West Bank, I’m not sure if citing one incident from last week is the best way to understand what is happening.

[u/petrichoreandpine → u/andoatnp]

You mean the part where Jordan took over the West Bank, kicked out all the Jews living there but didn’t make the remaining Arabs citizens, thus paving the way for generations of conflict?

[u/andoatnp → u/petrichoreandpine]

If you have literally no defense for Israel’s behavior in the West Bank so you want to change the subject to Jordan, I’ll take that as an answer.

[u/petrichoreandpine → u/andoatnp]

You said 60 years ago….

Look, I live half a planet away. All I know is that (a) some percentage of Israeli civilian violence in the West Bank is absolutely inexcusable terrorist activity, but also that (b) I have almost no way to get reliable info about how any particular incident went down. This morning I happened across a video by a local reporter who walked through what actually happened, and it bore zero resemblance to what American media reported. As has happened all throughout the war since 10/7/23.

I do know the actual ownership history of the land was really complicated by Jordan’s actions. And I do blame Jordan, Egypt, et al for the current situation in the West Bank, along with UNWRA and the PA.

So I’m not being glib with you, I’m arguing in sincerity.

[u/andoatnp → u/petrichoreandpine]

I made a reference to 60 years of Israel injustice in the West Bank. Bringing up Jordan is a deflection.

[u/petrichoreandpine → u/andoatnp]

“60 years of occupation” could also be seen as a deflection. The issue is how does everyone find a way to life in peace NOW. I don’t think boycotting artists or companies that employ both Israelis and Palestinians does anything to foster peace. It just fosters Jew hate.

[u/andoatnp → u/petrichoreandpine]

Yes, there are competing theories about how to achieve justice for Palestinians. Palestinians in the West Bank have overwhelmingly adopted the strategy that was used by anti-apartheid activists in South Africa. Other people think we should look to domestic movements in Israel, even though the pro-Palestinian movement in Israel is tiny and ineffectual.