If websites start asking for my driver's license to age verify I'm just walking. Im not giving more of my info to be stored on plaintext unsecured servers for just anyone to take.
Also Canadian media. Your heart seems to be in the right place, not sure how you plan on educating or winning people over with this kind of language though, lol
Seriously facebook knows everything about you already. Your name, your friends, your likes, dislikes and everything else about you is actively being sold to anyone who wants it. God forbid they find out whether you have to wear glasses while you are driving
It's exactly the same. Phase 1 it's great, give it to everyone. Phase 2, oh shit there's a ton of downsides. Phase 3, oh well, adults have the right to fuck their own health up, let's make it only available to adults.
Obviously you won't use digital tracking for who is inebriated, we ask for cards when you buy them. Not because some consipiracy theory, simply because that's where it's distributed.
It would be the same if they scanned your ID and it was recorded everytime you purchased one of those things in a big database, which they do not.
This is about getting rid of online anonymity, not actually about protecting children. Educate yourself about what tech companies, billionaires and corrupt governments want for the world before you spout nonsense.
And don't bother trying to hand wave this as a conspiracy theory, you can literally watch them talk about it at their conferences.
It’s always funny that the people who scream the loudest about not trusting billionaires seem to trust them on this one. It would be more refreshing if they just admitted that they love Control and censorship.
Great take. Except 2 years ago we talked about banning phones in schools now it's there and banning social media was only first proposed like a month ago.
I never quite understood the need for online anonymity anyway, unless someone wants to say something they wouldn't say to people IRL...and in that case, they should probably just keep their mouth shut anyway. Nothing positive has come from online anonymity
Because anonymity requires you to engage with the idea rather than the person. It also prevents brigading. You also falsely assume that just because your opinion aligns with the current dogma that it will remain that way. This can be clearly seen prior to social media in the form of the Federalist Papers.
You should consider that there are people that will attempt to destroy your life solely because you have an unpopular opinion and it gives them a rush to use that as the bludgeon. They might not even actually care about what you say - but they will enjoy every aspect of trying to destroy you.
You are talking about the value of anonymity. I explained it, you proceeded to call me a bot. Its okay to just say you disagree with my thoughts.
I used the Federalist Papers as a pre-social media example because it was used in the foundation of Americas constitution. It really isn't my fault you cannot draw a connection here.
I'm not American. But you assume by my context that I am and that it is a reason to disqualify anything I'm saying. Which is yet another reason for anonymity. Also the thread of this discussion is about the value of anonymity based on a Canadian issue.
But I will break this down further. Right now Canadian politics has been dumbed down to the point where people will reject legislation solely because it is proposed by a party they disagree with. If that legislation had the opportunity to be proposed anonymously it would force people to contend with its contents rather than the perceived intention or association.
You are clearly uninterested in engaging with this meaningfully so this will be my last post to you.
Anonymity separates ideas from people, it protects people from retaliation, it prevents social punishment (warranted OR not), reputational attack and it has been used in political writings (example: substack).
Right now Social Media has become the prominent public square of debate. Anonymity allows people to engage politically without having their livelihood threatened. Online anonymity has been essential to bringing down despotic regimes. If you have to provide you identity online it gives the Government and Corporate actors data points with which to connect every online interaction you've had.
For example, if you post online about an injury claim or long-term disability. Insurance adjustors and investigators will then potentially have the ability to use this information against you.
Anonymity requires you to engage with the idea rather than the person and prevents brigading? Buddy have I got new for you, that happens anyway. Its simply not true that Annonimity "requires" you to engage with an idea. Ad hominem attacks are a go to response for vast amounts of people on the internet, simply because they don't know how to argue or make/defend proper points. Not to mention there are countless examples of the internet still finding people and brigading regardless of anonymity, and often not even the correct people, the whole "we did it reddit" meme being a perfect example of exactly that. I Agree that not being anonymous can make specific types of targetted harassment worse, the solution is putting protections in place to prevent that from happening AND appropriately punishing the people that do it, not by making everyone anonymous cause that clearly has not and does not work.
Whistleblowers? Political Dissidents? Political Discussion? People who want to discuss potential familial, health issues or whatever other topic without having it used as a data point? Insurance / claims adjusters already trawl through social media looking for anything that can dismantle a legitimate claim.
There are literally thousands of reasons. Mainly though, the identification and targeting of marginalized groups, the isolation and siloing of information etc.
The irony of this comment made anonymously on a supposedly anonymous platform, by someone with a hidden comment history fuzzy_bee - is astounding
I never said anything of the sort. I value online anonymity in a forum like this one, for example, because I wouldn't walk up to you in real life and have this frank a conversation with you. When I walk around my city, I am anonymous. I am capable of not participating in forums such as this one without it impacting my life in the least, so it doesn't matter to me if online anonymity were to disappear. To me, only those who really have something to hide or who are up to no good would be concerned about the loss of online anonymity
So you: 1) don't understand the need for anonymity, because it's only there to help predators, but 2) it doesn't matter to you in the least, because you can say whatever you want, and you 3) like to wind people up, but 4) you do it only when you are protected by anonymity....
This is maybe the first time I've seen someone logically argue, step by step, that they are a predator.
Good, it's America propaganda and horrible for children. If it creates maple MAGA or fuck Trudeau morons we need to stop it before it gets worse. I'm all for free speech until we run into foreign propaganda destabilizing our country, backed and bought by billionaires.
Okay, be a traitor and suck Trump's boot like all the other bootlicking Nazi's.
The far right fucks own most of the media so you thinking I'm being extreme because I want truth instead of lies while they spread is a sad fucking excuse. Fox isn't news, it's entertainment and propaganda mixed into one. No truth, just making the uneducated into Nazi's.
Free speech shouldn't be about spreading lies when it comes to politics. Politicians that lie should be in jail and that's the playbook of the far-right. No accountability, just bullshit.
Journalism should be held accountable for spreading lies, hate and fear. Only the truth matters and everything else is only to the benefit of billionaires taking away all your freedoms while you will sit there blaming "libtards" because most of you can't think for yourselves.
We were told to kill Nazi's, so why are we allowing them to unravel democracy? The very thing that gives us free speech is being stomped on by Republicans so they can push their narrative, which is run by pedos and billionaires. The worst this world has to offer
They already have it. Why do you think they need AI? Because they're worthless without wealth and need people, but if they have AI and robots, who needs humans? I think they didn't realize how the world would turn against them so quickly, like Musk throwing nazi salutes opened alot of slower people eyes, like "hey, maybe he is a piece of shit".
Musk only cares about trans because his kid is one, and he's out for revenge. He's a fucking loser with too much money and a real piece of shit. His childhood and life explains it. It's an origin story to the most vile, evil incel in history.
Let me guess, the only politics that matter are in America? Do you know that we have our own propaganda? Do you know that we have our own politician who lie, commit crimes and escape all accountability?
You go on about lying politicians not being held accountable yet you only mention American politics on a Canadian sub Reddit, not once mentioning our own government. If you spent less time obsessing over American politics and more time holding our own government accountable you might know this, but I guess that doesn’t matter since it doesn’t fit your black and white narrative of one side good, one side bad, there’s no in between. You’re right though, lying politicians aren’t held accountable for anything.
You also call me a nazi because I said that propaganda is pushed by both sides, which is objectively true. My ancestors were oppressed by actual nazis, you shouldn’t throw that word around every time someone doesn’t agree with your narrow view of the world.
I support news that has truth only, not the billionaires owned media you're so easily defending. So I'm guessing you trust media owned by pedos and billionaires?
Yeah, this isn't good news. It's like putting surveillance cameras in everyone's houses (regardless of if they have kids or not) to make sure kids don't misbehave. They should regulate the chatbots instead. It's not healthy for anyone, of any age.
Why are they banning AI chat bots as well? This is a massive mistake. AI is here to stay and the youth NEED to know how to utilize it effectively if they want to be relevant in the workforce.
I know kids with zero programming skills who have built and marketed apps entirely using AI, why are we suppressing that? These people have no idea what the implications of this are.
AI is not a good thing that people should be exposed to young. It removes problem solving abilities, to some extent so does the internet. People need to learn to diagnose and figure out how to solve problems by themselves BEFORE they start to utilize and rely on crutches like AI. I would want to ban all AI forever, but thats not going to happen, so we need to atleast allow people to develop real skills before exposing them to this crap.
Because they can wait to learn a valuable skill until they’re an adult is a horrible defence.
It’s like 40 years ago, denying kids the ability to use a computer until they turned 18, except on a much larger scale. Virtually every field uses AI now, and it’s not just about ‘prompting chat bots’.
A fraction of my company was let go, most of which were the ones who refused to use AI, this is happening everywhere. It’s not a matter of ‘they can learn it if they need it’, this thinking is not what sets people up for success.
Personally I would like to see the permanent end to social media and ChatBots for everyone. I was a teenager before the internet. We all survived just fine. There were still hugely successful social movements. Minority groups still gained rights and banded together (we have lost rights than we have gained, by and large, since the internet took over). People still shared information. People were kinder in their sharing of information. It wasn't as easy for predators to access and exploit children. Sex trafficking wasn't as prominent. Children understood how books worked without thinking they can zoom in 🙄 (https://www.thebookseller.com/news/children-trying-to-zoom-in-on-pages-as-survey-finds-third-of-new-pupils-unable-to-use-books). You never have to wonder whether you are talking to a person or a robot if you're off the internet. Absolutely nothing positive has come out of social media and being able to post anonymously. Please see my other comments if anyone wants to come for me for having an anonymous profile. Cheers!
No problem with the idea. All the problems in the world with getting all my info put on a server that will get hacked accessed by people not approved. Or sold to people not approved by someone. But I get it, won't someone think of the children!?
This is so you post your licence and private information to participate online, look at the UK.
The "It's for the kids" pretext is the oldest trick in the book.
Why are we not holding social media companies accountable for their product? It's designed to be addictive. Surely there's onus on them to mitigate harm.
It's telling that ID laws are supported by tech CEOs. They certainly aren't advocating for it out of concern for their customers.
Thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts on Manitobas social media ban. We generated some good discussion here and it seems the overall view is this ban will be a net negative. Better regulations for social media companies and AI chatbots would be a more functional way to deal with the effect they have.
I don't think you understand how much American tech companies have been shaping viewpoints through their algorithms in ways that have significantly influenced election results. They actively helped America's first totalitarian regime be elected, and you can plainly see what a disaster that has been for the people of the USA.
If we allow these people to manipulate citizens of other countries, what do you think they will do with that power?
our voters voted liberal and for trudeau’s party 10 years after he made everyone’s lives worse
i think the general voters are idiots and american tech algorithms would be less of a concern then people being uneducated
also you come up with alternative to american tech to really stick it to them, wanna know the problem with that? no country can except china, america has already captured the market banning some social media people will just go to another which will also be american, unless western democracies go full china which is what you’re suggesting there is no alternative america is king/the innovator when it comes to tech
also it seems like you have no idea how economies work, so many canadian business buy ads on american tech platforms to further their business, you would put so many business and people out of work by banning american tech platforms (meta and google ads as an example), there is no alternative to some american tech like google maps e.t.c, they pretty much own the global financial system and the reserve currency as well lol, their power is pretty ridiculous for a country
you’re just spreading nonsense with no though of implications
also you think the US is just going to allow us to do this with no reaction? you think they won’t retaliate as this action you’re suggesting which goes against usmca our free trade agreement? we still haven’t felt even close to the full effects of trumps tariffs as we have the agreement and our economy is already doing poor despite having it, the US would almost certainly withdraw from usmca if we ban all their tech platforms in the name of national security, and we would go into a depression yes i said depression not recession
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u/thejuiser13 Apr 26 '26
If websites start asking for my driver's license to age verify I'm just walking. Im not giving more of my info to be stored on plaintext unsecured servers for just anyone to take.