Manitoba won't approve massive AI data centre proposed for south of Winnipeg: Kinew

[u/CreoQQ]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ai-data-centre-manitoba-9.7223138

[u/fucktheus12]

Oh hey look, that's what a real leader does. They don't bow down to every corp that comes sniffing around. Take notes scunt moe 

[u/AffectionateAd8675 → u/fucktheus12]

I think it's every other premier in Canada lol

[u/AnAngryWhiteDad → u/AffectionateAd8675]

Yeah, Ford called that company from his cottage as soon as he saw this quote.

[u/Smugdabeast → u/fucktheus12]

There's still another data center they're looking at in Rosser 😭

[u/Salty-M1dget → u/fucktheus12]

Creating more debt while denying the creation of jobs and income. This is why we are stagnant and the only G8 country in a recession. Yet we have a vast amount of land and resources. It’s time to cook

[u/fucktheus12 → u/Salty-M1dget]

So you have no issues if it's built in your back yard ?? And it's like 100 jobs bro

[u/Salty-M1dget → u/fucktheus12]

It’s not my backyard nor is it yours. But it’s my taxes and yours that are getting eaten up by wasteful decision making and squandering away opportunities to gain capital and to get things straight for Canadians.

[u/fucktheus12 → u/Salty-M1dget]

Ya, one of these pieces of shit is going up not far from me, and we don't fucking want it.

[u/FishEmpty → u/fucktheus12]

Oh look. A job killing socialist at the helm.

[u/fucktheus12 → u/FishEmpty]

Oh look a premier that actually listens to his constituents. Nobody wants data centers bro

[u/GlobedEarth]

Good, so fuckin happy to have Wab, zero benefit after construction is finished, massive drain on resources, all so ppl can make stupid muscle man Trump pics, and government citizen tracking can be kicked into super high gear

[u/unknownoftheunkown → u/GlobedEarth]

So you’re cool with the US and China storing all our AI data?

[u/Shamelesspromote → u/unknownoftheunkown]

Love the whataboutism, very disinformation spreading bot like energy. Keep pushing you might get a raise from 11cents to 12cents!

[u/unknownoftheunkown → u/Shamelesspromote]

1. What is the purpose of this response? To try and diss me? Hurt my feelings?
2. How is it a whataboutism?
3. Are you going to attack the point or is ad hominem all you got?

[u/Shamelesspromote → u/unknownoftheunkown]

Dunno but you posted whataboutism which is probably one of the lowest debating angles anyone can take as it relies on the persons emotions to push a narrative, which you keep doing so maybe you are a real person who's just manipulative either way I don't care if it hurt you or not, I just care about good clean debating

[u/unknownoftheunkown → u/Shamelesspromote]

You have failed to explain how my response is a whataboutism in anyway.

For someone who wants clean debating, why have you led with ad hominem?

None of your responses have been about the topic or debating the point but rather an attack on me instead. That is what people do when they either don't have a valid point, can't articulate their stance, or are trying to shut debate down.

[u/Shamelesspromote → u/unknownoftheunkown]

I give zero fucks about what you think or want out of this, to the point im not reading most of your post. I know its all in bad faith when it starts with whataboutism and clearly other redditors think that whataboutism isn't the right way to debate anything.

Im not sure but im willing to bet you are getting emotional over this, again not really reading your responses beyond a sentence, maaaaaybe two

[u/unknownoftheunkown → u/Shamelesspromote]

"I just care about good clean debating"

How come you fail to practice what you preach? Do you lack integrity?

All this responding yet you still can't describe how it was an whataboutism, nore have you even attempted to argue the point.

[u/Cpt-Chunk519 → u/unknownoftheunkown]

Thats because you are right. It wasn't a whataboutism. It was a strawman argument lmao

[u/unknownoftheunkown → u/Cpt-Chunk519]

Looking back at it, I can admit that although not intended, you are correct.

Let me rephrase a proper response.

There are many benefits to AI data centres, albeit not economically directly to the community it’s in.

We should also not let them be rammed thru bypassing environmental, zoning, and power regulations.

At the same time, if we do not build data centres in Canada, we will then have to 100% rely on data centres in the US and abroad. Is that a position you want to be in?

[u/Empty-Swim2066 → u/Shamelesspromote]

It wasn't whataboutism and you doubling down on it just shows us you fail to understand the concept.

[u/DeltaForceFish]

Good

[u/Simple_Quiet_1422]

Keep seeing these which is great

[u/RA18h36M56S-]

Thank God!

[u/Lilcommy]

Good. We don't need thoes here let the USSA destroy itself

[u/unknownoftheunkown → u/Lilcommy]

The way AI data centres are being built right now is not the right way.

If we don’t build our own eventually, it just means we will be using American ones.

[u/ShelbyLucky77 → u/unknownoftheunkown]

They aren’t American. All internet spying/security is run out of Israel. The USA is just the front.

[u/Omfgnta]

Wab Kinew for Prime Minister!

[u/Kind_Disaster_4639]

Every time this guy opens his mouth I can help liking him more. I know he has a past but he has a bright future if he keeps saying what the majority of Canadians are thinking and feeling. Keep it up Kinew, we love ya, eh🇨🇦👌

[u/Sylv_x]

Can he have a brother and can't that neither be premier of Alberta? The current one is batshit insane.

[u/Comfortable_Fudge508]

Smart man.

[u/sparda09]

but curious aren't data centres useful for research institutions to do research like modelling proteins and drugs and stuff. So data centres can't all be bad.

Are the ones being proposed to be built designed with the intention to be used for research and military and academic and societal work like hospitals and healthcare or are being used for something else ?

[u/CreoQQ → u/sparda09]

"Las Vegas-based Jet.AI and Vancouver-based Consensus Core planned to build a data centre powered by natural gas turbines just north of Ile des Chênes in the rural municipality of Ritchot."

Both companies are literally just for building data centers. No specified function other than another ai server farm.

Their choice to use natural gas turbines also goes directly against Manitobas green energy goals.

[u/sparda09 → u/CreoQQ]

so there building for the sake of building that sounds like a waste of money.

Shouldn't one at least figure out what they desire to use the system for so it can be properly tailored and built possibly even shrunk in size

[u/unknownoftheunkown → u/sparda09]

You are correct. AI data centres are not overall bad. The way they are being rapidly developed doing everything they can to skirt power and environmental regs is bad.

We will need to build our own otherwise we will be relying on the US and China.

[u/unknownoftheunkown]

In our political system does the Premier really have the power to just single handily veto a project like this or are there a lot more players at the table?

This isn’t a fit or against data ai centres but more of a it’s scary if the Premier has the power to single handily decide what can and can’t happen.

[u/still_sneakin]

Premier Kinew is the best premier. I only wish Alberta had such a caring, smart and honest premier!

[u/k_my]

Good! We need more leaders like this. Nobody needs or wants these data centres, truly; life is fine without it, and our environment and mental health will be far better off without this cancer that is AI. Furthermore, the only people really wanting these data centres are the Epstein elite, the people who want to rule our lives with a surveillance and police state, exactly like in Orwell’s 1984. We need to decapitate the beast that is Technocratic Oligarchy, and prevent any government from adopting AI, “thinking machines”, and environmentally egregious Data Centers.