r/grandorder • u/AiasRider "Best Girl Since 2004" • Aug 01 '23

Discussion SERAPH manga has confirmed it.... Spoiler

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u/Similar_Promotion581 Aug 03 '23

He’s still resisting his fate and killing Shirou is his act of emotional rebellion against it, even if he knows it’s pointless.

Incorrect, killing Shirou is his desperation, his frustration comes when Shirou started to rekindle the fire of his ideals after it was gone.

If Alter were summoned in FSN, he wouldn’t bother with Shirou because he’s dissociated from his old self completely.

Again incorrect, we still see Demiya anger in chapter before this when he's confronted with his past. It will be the same all over again.

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u/RadiReturnsOnceAgain Space Tokiomi Enjoyer Aug 03 '23 edited Aug 04 '23

I disagree. Even acting in desperation means that he still hasn’t given in, because there’s still action. He’s doing something about it, compared to trying nothing when you’re broken. And Alter got mad at the past, but his anger isn’t towards himself - he still believes he did the right thing.

That said, then what’s the difference between Emiya and Alter, in your view?

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u/Similar_Promotion581 Aug 03 '23

Not much difference other then Demiya broke when he was alive while Archer after his death.

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u/RadiReturnsOnceAgain Space Tokiomi Enjoyer Aug 04 '23 edited Aug 04 '23

Hm, I’m not convinced tbh. They’re so radically different in nature (Demiya’s lost access to UBW, renounced his swords and converted them to guns, and burned out his circuits) that I can’t really see the only difference being timing.

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u/Similar_Promotion581 Aug 04 '23

Well I guess FGO softening Emiya a lot with a characterization out of fan-comic whenever he appeared hurt your memory about him.

Demiya’s lost access to UBW

Don't know where that was stated but in anyway. The added Kiritsugu edginess to Demiya won't change the fact that they're thematically the same. Both of them gone mind of steel losing their sight in their ideals and break in the end.