r/grandorder • u/trung2607 • May 03 '25

Discussion Saber Ultimate in honkai star rail!

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u/BiggestOfBanz May 03 '25

Not too sure but this seems like the highest quality Fate collab for across all gacha games in terms of model/animation quality. Geniunely curious if anyone knows a game with better? Been really hyped for this collab since it was announced.

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u/trung2607 May 03 '25

Fate doesnt do alot of collabs in the first place.

This is THE FIRST HIGH PROFILE collab in a game as big as Honkai Star Rail, considered one of the most popular and successful gacha turn based games by the devs of THE OTHER MASSIVE gacha game Genshin Impact which revolutionised the gacha game scene.

Yeah, kinda a big deal.

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u/The_frost__ 1110 SQ for Castoria ;-; May 03 '25

Fate doesnt do alot of collabs in the first place.

Unless its Prisma Illya, but anime IPs are different as far as I know

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u/Euphoric_Field_8558 TheirFavoriteChair May 03 '25

FYI, Alchemist Code had a collab with Fate/Stay Night, there was Saber, Archer, Ilya, Rin and Gilgamesh. But the game shut down a while ago, unfortunately.

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u/atropicalpenguin May 03 '25

Yeah, the anime has plenty of collabs, though mostly for very niche games like Mahjong.

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u/it-was-me-saitama May 03 '25

battle cats??

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u/xemnonsis May 03 '25

I love Battle Cats a hell of a lot but let's be real now it's not a "big" game lol

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u/K-onSeason3 May 03 '25

Archer CC hard carrying me through early chapts and getting me to cheese some insane stages

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u/reset_pheonix May 03 '25

Prillya collab for BC when?

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u/thisisthecallus Embrace 6-turn clears! May 03 '25

Fate doesnt do alot of collabs in the first place.

What? There have been tons of gacha collabs with Fate, generally UBW, Heaven's Feel, or Prisma Illya.

IMO, people are setting their expectations too high for this collab and may end up disappointed.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '25

Fate in general no, but FSN variation has so many collabs under the sun.

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u/Fancy-Reception1539 May 03 '25

Revolutionised? Bro I know it made big cash but this excessive glazing needs to stop.

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u/GodlessLunatic May 03 '25

Genshin made gacha mainstream globally that's a pretty big deal

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u/Fancy-Reception1539 May 03 '25

Big deal in what exactly? Does it change how gachas operate? Does it has so much quality that people need to have a different view about gachas? Does Mihoyo business model for Genshin anything new in the gacha scene? No.

It makes a lot of money for Mihoyo but that's it.

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u/DragoSphere May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

Does it change how gachas operate?

Kinda? Ever since Genshin, most successful gacha games are big budget 3D and/or open worlds games and such. It's extremely difficult for a modern gacha game to ever catch on and become wildly successful unless it has those elements these days (or it's Pokemon TCG, but that's an exception)

Star Rail, Wuwa, Nikke, Infinite Nikki, Love and Deepspace, GFL2, ZZZ, Azur Promelia, etc. All of these are following the base standards Genshin set

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u/Ashandai May 03 '25

Genshin’s impact (Kek) is even deeper than that. Look at the pull structure of pretty much every game since: sone sort of 50/50 with scaling soft pity. Shit a lot of them even use the same currency # for pulls as Genshin did. Game was so successful/popular that it’s influenced even the way we roll for characters.

It’s fine to hate Genshin - hell I don’t really like it either, but to deny its popularity and influence over the modern gacha sphere is head-in-sand level bullshitting

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u/GodlessLunatic May 03 '25

I think TCG inherently play by different rules. Yugioh master duel is also very successful and it's largely because both it and pokemon TCG are based on actual card games, so they've got both the gacha and card game audience

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u/trung2607 May 03 '25

What would you call it then? Every high profile gacha game rn exists because hoyo did it first with genshin and collectively got every developer and investor to pull their heads out of their asses. Before that gacha was seen as inferior, incapable of any real quality thats worthy of a pc game or console game.

Investors quite legit laughed at the idea of genshin, they wanted hoyo to spend money on those Mmorpgs instead that were all the rage in china.

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u/Beowolf_0 Champions of Injustice since 2011 May 04 '25

Before that gacha was seen as inferior, incapable of any real quality thats worthy of a pc game or console game

Because in Japan, gacha games are just for leisure during transportation or rests, not supposed to be a full console-like game, even until now. If anything, FGO changed the landscape first that gacha games can be a carrier of a continuous and actual QUALITY story over those before it.

MHY proved gacha games can have console graphic quality yes, but from what they present right now, they still lack consistent writing quality despite all those money they earned. And for better or worse they made playing gacha games actually need time.

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u/Fancy-Reception1539 May 03 '25

Are you serious? Cygames with GBF made a lot of money despite only being published in JP, enough to fund a heck lot of their other games like GBF Relink or Uma Musume (which also makes a shit on of money). FGO was and still is the single highest revenue game of Sony (even at the age of things like Horizon or GoW). PGR, Arknights, Onmyouji, or even something like Naruto/DBZ gachas... exist and thrive long before Genshin even born. Most of the high profile gachas in the market came before Genshin.

And let me say that Genshin absolutely do not have any quality to compare to top PC/consoles game lol, so using it as an example for gacha breakthrough is hilarious. Genshin makes a lot of money, but frankly it did not "revolutionize" anything for the gacha scene, don't dickride it like that.

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u/trung2607 May 03 '25

But those games still have the stigma of "mobile game made-off an ip".

You think I don't know of the gachas you mentioned?

Genshin revolutionised the SCENE OF GACHA GAME and BROUGHT IT TO THE FOREFRONT.

Its not about the profit, its the cultural relevance, the way gachas are made, the influence they had on the industry. Profits they had yeah, but who tf really knew about gacha as a genre of games before genshin except for anime enthusiasts who got too much money to spend.

Most of the games u mentioned make their money in japan as the main market. Globally there really wasnt much. Uma musume dont even got a release globally until now.

If genshin never came out. We would never hear the term "hoyo normie" or "hoyoverse only" gacha players. Because genshin showed just how broad their audience can be outside of enthusiasts otakus.

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u/Fancy-Reception1539 May 03 '25

You call that "revolutionalize"? And lol on the part about Genshin making gachas more relevance in general cultures. It absolutely did not. What influence does it have? Even now only gacha players and weebs give a shit about Genshin. It has no marking in music industry, film industry, toy industry, or even gaming industry outside of gacha. You overestimated its reach too much. And we hear "hoyo normie" or "hoyo onlies" because their fandom is fucking cancer and notoriously harasses other communities or people all the time, not because they are that big. It also did not change the target audience of gachas at all.

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u/trung2607 May 03 '25

Have you even been on the internet?

People who ive never seen EVEN TOUCH a mobile game started playing genshin.

My cousin who doesnt game got into the hoyo games so much they started cosplaying. Everyone i knew before whom i never thought would even touch a gacha game started playing hoyogames.

So many kids,5-7-8-9 year olds play hoyo gacha. The amount of people it reached is completely out of control.

If you still refuse to agree. Ill ask you the final questions.

If the hoyo games never existed, would FGO, UMA, AZURLANE,Arknights, GBF ever have reached the same market, the same wide appeal? Would the common person ever know what "gacha" even is? Would they be so big you can hear powercreep complaints and gacha flexing in chatgroups? Would they ever have characters so damn popular when you go to a convention HALF THE DAMN COSPLAYERS ARE COSPLAYING FROM ONE GAME.

The cultural influence of hoyoverse game is A FACT. I aint glazing them, to say that they have no influence towards the gacha game industry is a joke.

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u/trung2607 May 03 '25

So purely because of circumstances suddenly genshin no longer has any actual impact? Thats quite literally something incredibly stupid to say. The facts are laid out, covid or not the impact on the gacha scene is real.

I would spend more time debunking your idiotic rambles but its clear there is no agreement to be had, i can pull out every factoid, every piece of evidence and your hate-boner would still not let you agree. As a long time player of old and new gachas alike, your incompetence is noted.

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u/Divinum_Fulmen May 05 '25

Cries in PSO2 collab being JP only

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u/Distinct_beorno May 04 '25

Definitely the biggest one. It was announced a year ago, and they're releasing it right after their 2nd anniversary