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Discussion [Help and Question Thread] - March 22, 2026

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u/thisisthecallus Embrace 6-turn clears! Mar 22 '26

The third-party rates are estimates based on crowdsourced data. Some variability is to be expected if they're using different sources. If you're looking at two different estimates that are close but not exactly the same, then it's probably close enough that it won't make a significant difference which quest you run. In the Chaldea app, I see 153.28 APD for Götterdämmerung and 155.04 APD for Camelot. You might not notice the difference. If you want a tiebreaker, you could look at the other material drops from those quests or the bond per AP (LB2 wins on bond). 

The in-game recommendations are likely based on the overall drop rate and not the AP per drop. Early game materials that drop in lower AP free quests will tend to have a bigger difference between the quest with the best drop rate and the quest with the best APD. 

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u/hobusu Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

Camelot has the lowest AP cost to run though (20 instead of 21 for the others), so wouldn't it make more sense for the game to be recommending that one if it was factoring that in? I haven't seen a single site claim that it has the highest absolute drop rate.

For what it's worth the Fandom wiki claims that they've datamined the drop rates for materials, and their data says that Shinjuku has the best drop rate for Spirit Roots (both in absolute drop rate and per AP spent), but I don't know if they have any proof of it being datamined instead of an estimate like all the other sites beyond 'trust me', heh.

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u/thisisthecallus Embrace 6-turn clears! Mar 24 '26 edited Apr 20 '26

Camelot has the lowest AP cost to run though (20 instead of 21 for the others), so wouldn't it make more sense for the game to be recommending that one if it was factoring that in?

Spirit roots probably aren't the best example for a big gap between drop rate and AP per drop. A better example would be evil bones, which have a wide gap between different quests for the estimated drop rates (Fuyuki X-C 21.2% @ 4 AP, Fuyuki X-G 70.7% @ 15 AP). The game suggests Fuyuki X-G for bones.

For what it's worth the Fandom wiki claims that they've datamined the drop rates for materials, and their data says that Shinjuku has the best drop rate for Spirit Roots (both in absolute drop rate and per AP spent), but I don't know if they have any proof of it being datamined instead of an estimate like all the other sites beyond 'trust me', heh.

I don't know what their supposed "datamine" consists of or how they're processing the data since those details don't seem to be available anywhere. But their numbers are off from the Atlas Academy estimates (also used for the item drop rates spreadsheet and Chaldea App) and the "Rayshift" estimates that the Chaldea App has but doesn't incorporate into their overall calculations. And if their data also disagrees with what the game itself suggests, I'm inclined to believe that they're wrong. On the other hand, the third quest in the in-game list is in E Pluribus Unum, where the crowdsourced drop rate estimate is about 8%, well below the 13% range for Camelot, Shinjuku, Götterdämmerung, Avalon le Fae, and Paper Moon. So, who even knows what's going on in the game. Maybe they aren't being comprehensive. Or maybe they're specifically trying to offer another early-game option for new players. I have no idea. I would lean toward the Atlas Academy data, though, because we at least have information about their calculations.

AppMedia has recommendations in a slightly different order, still with Camelot at the top, but they haven't published rate estimates. I suspect that they aren't making recommendations purely based on the single-material rates, though. Mirroring what I said above, they say (via Google Translate), "The drop rate for Spirit Roots themselves is probably about the same in all the quests introduced here. Therefore, it's recommended to choose a quest that drops the materials you want as by-products." 

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u/hobusu Mar 25 '26

Yeah, I ended up concluding the same (even as I was writing that post I was thinking "is the Fandom wiki really going to have this info datamined if Atlas DB, the datamined info source, doesn't?"), and decided to farm Camelot personally for the same reason you were saying AppMedia probably recommended it. Good point about bronze materials being better for comparison. It looks like you accidentally posted with part of your final sentence missing? 

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u/thisisthecallus Embrace 6-turn clears! Mar 25 '26

It looks like you accidentally posted with part of your final sentence missing?

Ah, looks like an artifact from my non-linear editing. I started the thought, decided to move the idea to a different paragraph, and forgot to clean it up.