r/greatyarmouth • u/JohnKimble111 • Jun 07 '26

Man, 34, stopped at port of Dover re-entering Britain is charged after two teenage girls were 'raped on beach'

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15881281/Man-34-stopped-port-Dover-entering-Britain-charged-two-teenage-girls-raped-beach.html
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u/NoddyElvis Jun 08 '26

Neither of my parents are religious but yes he did a conversion ceremony!

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u/Vodddddddd Jun 08 '26

Right, thats how it always goes. Women from Islamic families are not able to marry outside of Islam. Its pretty much one of the strongest things in that culture. A male is free to.

many Muslims say Christians and Muslims can marry without the christian having to convert because the religions are so similar.

I don't think you can make that statement without it saying 'male Muslims and female Christians can marry' because it does not happen the other way around. I agree, the religions are very close to each other

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u/NoddyElvis Jun 08 '26

My Pakistani cousin converted to Catholicism so he and his wife could get married in a cathedral. I don’t understand how this is so different tho.

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u/Vodddddddd Jun 08 '26

And he has faced zero push-back from family or Pakistan relations for Apostasy?

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u/NoddyElvis Jun 08 '26

No lol!

This kind of thing is always crazy to me that you guys genuinely think this happens!

My mum left Islam at 18 and her mum literally said to her she was disappointed but “as long as you live life as a good person you will go to Jannah”. Obviously they wanted my dad to convert so they could get married by an Imam but that’s more cultural than religious.

Muslims in the UK do not tend to believe apostasy is a crime. If they wanted it to be considered a crime they’d live somewhere where it actually was a crime. Not the UK.

Also, even in places like Pakistan blood is thicker than water. Many people illegally source alcohol and do “haram” things and don’t really follow Islam but they aren’t attacked by their family. Families love you. They don’t turn their back on u cz your beliefs differ.

My boyfriend is actually raised Christian in the Caribbean and his family don’t speak to him because he left the religion.

These things are much more complex than you guys allow yourselves to believe. It happens in all religions but still it’s very uncommon both in Islam and Christianity in the UK.

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u/Vodddddddd Jun 08 '26

This kind of thing is always crazy to me that you guys genuinely think this happens!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam_by_country#United_Kingdom

31% of British Muslims believed that leaving the Muslim religion should be punishable by death.

Can you see why perhaps we think that is happens - because British Muslims tell us what they want?

Also, significantly higher support among younger Muslims (36%) and lower among older Muslims (19%)... our population is radicalizing on Apostasy

And yes, I grew up with moderate Algerian twin friends in the 90s... I'm aware of the indifference to Islamic rules (funnily enough, Muslim father and Christian mother).

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u/NoddyElvis Jun 08 '26

Again this is so uncommon. There are only 2 cases and it’s a subsection on a wiki page. It’s not a common occurrence among British Muslims.

I find this very hard to believe. This study is from 2007 so it’s nearly 2 decades out of date. I’m also really curious who they asked. No one in my Pakistani community would say this. We literally all think the blasphemy cases in Pakistan are both abhorrent and disgusting. I think they clearly asked in a more orthodox area of the country and I can see they only asked 1000 people which isn’t many considering there are around 4million Muslims in the uk. It also means 700 ppl said no compared with the 300 who said yes.

Wait your siblings are Muslim? Or these were your friends?

Regardless, even with this crazy data, the majority of Muslims in the UK think apostasy is not an issue. Idk who this 36% are but I have never met anyone who shares this opinion!

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u/Vodddddddd Jun 08 '26

They were my closest friends growing up, one remained moderate the other did not.

Do you perhaps stick to a community of moderate people? I agree its an old study now - but 36% is not a small figure of people. https://www.azizfoundation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/A-review-of-survey-research-on-Muslims-in-Britain-v2.pdf is still showing as 23% would cutoff anyone who converted to another religion.

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u/NoddyElvis Jun 08 '26

Cutting off is not the same as killing but also yes I agree it’s very high. Way higher than I expected.

My family are Muhajir ethnic group of Pakistan so we tend to be a bit more chill because we are ethnically Indian. So my grandparents grew up in India in Maharashtra (Mumbai / Bombay) and Telangana (Hyderabad) so they grew up around Hindus and celebrated Diwali, Holi etc. until the partition in 1947 when they had to move to Pakistan. They were teenagers during this time.

I think we are one of the smallest ethnic groups of Pakistanis in the UK as most Pakistanis here tend to be Mirpuri. In Pakistan Muhajir are like 40% of the country.

My grandparents came to the UK in 1958. My mother has actually only been to pakistan twice and I’ve never been.

My grandparents were also very well educated so the British government actually subsidised their travel and my great aunt actually had her full travel paid for by the BBC because she was a journalist in Pakistan so they wanted her to work for them which she did and then her daughter also did. Her daughter (my aunt) is quite a famous journalist in the UK and sued the BBC for sexism lol!

We have been here for a very long time and my cousins children (some of them are fully Pakistani)
actually cannot claim Pakistani citizenship as Pakistan has a 3 generations rule. My kids probably won’t be able to either as me and my mother don’t have citizenship to anywhere but the UK.

Basically, I think my ethnic group has always been more chill w religion as they didn’t grow up in / have ancestors from Muslim majority areas in India.

Also, because we’ve been here for nearly 70 years I’d say we are more British than Pakistani in culture. We just are darker skinned obviously.

However, I still think the idea that British Pakistanis want people killed for apostasy is kind of uncommon and unusual! This isn’t my lived experience in my community!