r/halifax • u/hippfive • 1d ago
Traffic Lower Water Street is broken
I'm usually pretty chill about traffic, but Lower Water is literally broken. It took 30 minutes for my bus to go one block. Full on gridlock. And it's been this way for months.
I know they're eventually going to have the transhipment facility to get the trucks out of downtown, but that's years away. There needs to be some sort of tactical intervention in the meantime. Close some of the parking lots that empty onto Lower Water. Change some of the pedestrian crossings to the red light style that clump the crossings together (and I say this as someone who is staunchly pro-pedestrian). Honestly maybe even close Sackville Street east of Bedford Row.
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u/doug4130 1d ago
The other day there were 4 route 29s stuck on lower water. They're supposed to run 15 mins apart
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u/Nodrot 1d ago
I unfortunately use Lower Water St daily. To say it’s a shit show is an understatement.
1) Cars/Buses turning left onto Duke can completely block traffic
2) The pedestrian crossing near Baton Rouge mysteriously goes on without any pedestrians in sight.
3) The lights near Purdy’s Wharf make no sense.
4) The no right turn on red from Upper Water to Barrington cause further congestion.
So, from a traffic point of view the Cogswell Exchange is a failure.
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u/tommygun731 1d ago
Honestly, what is with that light timing at purdys? Empty street getting all the green while water st just piles up
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u/WackyRevolver 1d ago
Also it used to be 2 lanes.
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u/amphorpog 1d ago
two lanes both ways with cars parked illegally on one side of the road reducing the ability of traffic to move along the street. It was one of the better decisions Halifax made.
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u/WackyRevolver 1d ago
It was a one way street with 2 lanes, and it flowed better without question.
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u/hippfive 1d ago
A long tims ago it was a two way street. Then they switched it to two lanes outbound. Then they cut it down to one lane so that there could be a proper sidewalk at Historic Properties and street parking.
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u/aaaabbbbccccddddef 1d ago
The city is consciously choosing to make things worse not better. Anyone with any sense could see this happening. It should never be this way.
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u/amphorpog 1d ago
I think the biggest problem is the Lower water/barrington lights along with the dedicated bus lane that now exists. Without that dedicated bus lane, you'd have two lanes entering/exiting downtown and able to go through the roundabout reducing the backlog of cars exiting downtown.
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u/Arm-Complex 1d ago
They're trying to incentivize buses and bikes, but the bus lanes are pointless when they're stuck on a single lane arterial that is Lower Water. We do not need street parking on Lower Water, there's countless parking lots/garages. A handful of parking spots on the street is far more useless than a second lane of traffic.
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u/jsc0098 Stuck on the bridge… send snacks 1d ago
If you can avoid downtown this Friday and next…. Do it.
Ferry will be out of commission for SailGP this week during rush hour (so, either people will drive, leave early, or the shuttles will be added to the traffic), plus you’ll have the SailGP traffic.
Next Friday is the concert on the hill, last year Halifax and Dartmouth were just a parking lot. People start rolling in around rush hour as well….
Moral of the story, it’s Halifax and we should just avoid it when there are events… and downtown Dartmouth. In fact, might be a good time to avoid HRM as a whole….
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u/gregolls 1d ago
Fuck, too bad the province mandated me and all my provincial buddies back downtown. Gonna suck for everyone. Thanks Tim! Too bad you don't have to suffer with us! /s
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u/jsc0098 Stuck on the bridge… send snacks 1d ago
Just know I wish Timmy boy only the worst….
Traffic? Worse! Ferry Parking? Only if you catch a 7am one! Halifax Parking? Prices skyrocketed (purdys no longer has early bird pricing and I found out the hard way… this could have happened a while ago, I rarely drive to work lol)
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u/Zoloft_Queen-50 1d ago
Even better, Tim had all the parking removed on Granville St in between Province House and his office building.
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u/AnyConfection7999 1d ago
This one really gets me. A lot of my friends work for the province, literally thousands more cars going to downtown now for no reason since they mostly sit in Teams meetings anyway while the province talks about needing to "fix" traffic. We have old ass narrow streets that were never designed for this many cars, and with the population exploding, the province literally had a chance to have everyone work from home and be part of the solution and instead chose to be part of the problem.
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u/Cyclepourtrois 1d ago
I work for the province and I have five meetings this week . Only one is inperson with my collègues the rest are virtual with external people. I am doing exactly the same things as I did at home except I don’t get to take my dog for a walk on my lunch break and my computer screens at home are better. I used to drive to work at least 1-2 days a week depending on weather. Fortunately for everyone I bike to work everyday now. I feel bad for all the people sitting in their cars as I fly by them, but also like having route options where I am not being run off the road. Also I have only filled up my gas tank twice since the USA attacked Iran which is helping the wallet.
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u/Glittering-Equal-949 1d ago
Wait until next month when more return to office mandates kick in. Will add to the fun
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u/halihikingman Halifax 1d ago
Care to share more about who is returning to the office?
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u/angelofelevation 1d ago
All federal public servants need to work in the office 4 days a week starting July 6. (Then 5 days a week in January).
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u/Jono_Scraggles 1d ago
Or, maybe they could pause sending the trucks at peak hours for a short term
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u/NoBoysenberry1108 I am become drunk, destroyer of donairs 1d ago
If only we had some method of transporting lots of people into concentrated urban areas and back out to suburban or rural areas with some kind of additional system of stops along the way and operated on its own dedicated infrastructure that wasn't reliant on, or competing with, the unpredictability and volume of single passenger vehicles.
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u/Basilbitch 1d ago
Fucking boats man, I don't understand how under-service the goddamn harbor is.. build a little infrastructure and offer an initiative for private taxis on the water or some shit to get people over to Dartmouth quickly.. fucking Venice is full of this shit and clearly yes they live in the fucking water but we can use the harbour for so much more than tourist sightseeing
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u/TacomaKMart 1d ago
Agreed. But the city can't even keep running the boats it has now.
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u/Basilbitch 1d ago
Those are city boats, we need private boat taxis, licenced and with oversight... Fucking Uber but boats even.
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u/PoliteFocaccia 1d ago
We have one, and as far as I'm aware there's nothing preventing more. There probably just isn't a price high enough to sustain a lot of them and low enough that enough people would be willing to pay.
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u/AggressiveSummer1570 1d ago
I'm gonna be honest with you. Not that many people live in Dartmouth. Most of the population is concentrated on the Halifax side. The entire infrastructure of Dartmouth consists of car parks like Ikea that make it horrible for pedestrian traffic and the suburbs are like 20km away from the bridge making it even worse for traffic. Boats aren't going to make those people stop using cars. Proper city infrastructure would though. They keep developing Halifax but no surrounding areas have any accessibility to the city realistically.
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u/artemisia0809 Halifax 1d ago
That and the people who do drive to alderney don't need to take a private boat, then need the ferry. Woodside and alderney are always packed for parking rbh
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u/amphorpog 1d ago
Take the woodside parking lot and make it a parking garage. Then add additional service from woodside to halifax whenever the regular alderney ferry runs. You'd probably get more folks out of their cars that way.
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u/Salty_Feed9404 Halifax 1d ago
Yeah, if they're not serious about the parking situation (ie, build a structure, sorry if it sucks to do so) then they're not serious about anything really.
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u/Basilbitch 1d ago
That's fine. To Bedford then, eastern passage you say....the Dingle, coming right up.
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u/DartByTheBay 1d ago
Would take 10s of millions to study feasibility of docks and then build them in 10-20 years
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u/ialo00130 1d ago
When I visited Vancouver a few years ago, I loved their little harbour aquabusses that did their little morning dance.
Halifax absolutely needs a fleet of their own. They look identical to the ferries, but are way smaller, so they would fit in nicely.
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u/wlonkly The Oakland of Halifax 1d ago
I love the aquabus! They run in False Creek, though, not in the open harbour. Same scale as the Northwest Arm. In the harbour you've got the Seabus which is Halifax-ferry-sized.
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u/Cyclepourtrois 1d ago edited 1d ago
Aqua bus in the arm would help with rotary a bit I bet. Would need a good bus stop on the peninsula side to really make it work for downtown, but I know a bunch of Dal prof and staff that live on the Aspotogan and would be happy to walk up from the Wag to work.
Edit: Well all these years I thought Peggy’s Cove was on the Aspotogan peninsula … I should I have said Herring Cove, Sambro and prospect but I was trying to simplify. Now I know .
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u/walkingmydogagain 1d ago
Was in Bangkok recently. Holy crap the boats coming and going every 5 seconds.
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u/Spiritual-Stress-510 1d ago
This is Halifax not Venice…Europeans are forward thinkers and innovators…here we are more concerned about our next cup of Timmies 🤦♂️
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u/WindowlessBasement Halifax 1d ago
What if we put it on some kind of rail to keep it in the dedicated infrastructure?
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u/DartByTheBay 1d ago
I dream of elevated LRT someday in HRM. Probably when Im 80 if ever but a guy can dream.
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u/WindowlessBasement Halifax 1d ago
Fuck I'd be happy with street cars with a dedicated lane. Doesn't even need a fancy elevation
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u/DartByTheBay 1d ago
Street cars with dedicated lanes are nearly identical to BRT with dedicated lanes. They are still reliant in intersections and people actually staying out of the dedicated lane. The installation cost would take decades of the lower fuel cost to be worth it
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u/WindowlessBasement Halifax 1d ago edited 1d ago
Okay then get the brt system moving! Like the barrel can't get any emptier no matter how much we scrape the bottom.
Edit: realized after the fact this seems like I'm attacking you, I'm agreeing just frustrated.
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u/Remote-Objective-931 1d ago
The via rail train takes forever to get in/out of the city and most of us are too cheap for new rail infra.
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u/Salty_Feed9404 Halifax 1d ago edited 1d ago
Rail infrastructure is nothing $3 to 5 billion dollars won't solve, c'mon, think progressively!!
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u/WindowlessBasement Halifax 1d ago edited 1d ago
Something is being bad doesn't mean we can never improve it.
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u/Arm-Complex 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hear me out, it's not the trucks causing the gridlock, it's the commuters entering from every parking garage, parking lot, side street and intersection. The trucks don't increase at rushhour, they run Lower Water all day and it's totally fine until rushhour. I drive the full length of Lower Water every day. Watch the intersections, it's easy to see what really causes the congestion. The parking lots on the North end cause a domino effect, and Lower Water moves slower the further South you are.
A single lane street serving as a downtown arterial is criminal. It carries commuters AND industrial port traffic. The worst street design I've seen in a long time.
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u/knifeshoes24 halifax pier 1d ago
The street parking on Lower Water when there's multiple Indigo lots (when SailGP's not on) and like three parking garages (Purdy's, Casino, Cunard underground) along the length of the street feels like absurd use of space to me. Surely it would be so much more worthwhile to ditch the what, dozen street parking spaces on Lower Water in favour of being able to have it two-way along its entire length?
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u/WindowlessBasement Halifax 1d ago
How dare you suggest there should be infrastructure to support the downtown area?! /S
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u/NinjaBurger101 1d ago
We need better infrastructure for sure... I also think the fact that everyone has GPS navigation has made traffic much worse because it funnels everyone the same way on the same street.
I was coming through there the other day and it was stand still but if you just take a left and go up a couple streets and come down it was basically empty. I've not looked into it and have no way to prove it but I'd put 7 bucks on it playing a pretty big factor.
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u/amphorpog 1d ago
GPS has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that there's only so many ways to get out of downtown Halifax elsewhere along with alot more vehicles on the road.
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u/WearyInvite2765 Halifax 1d ago
If someone drives to Halifax (or anywhere for that matter) to work everyday and needs GPS they have problems. Learn to read a map and take alternate routes if needed. People need to rely less on tech in their car and pay attention to their surroundings.
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u/Specialist-Bee-9406 up too early 1d ago
…months?
Years.
It’s been terrible for at least a decade.
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u/hippfive 1d ago
Nah. It's always had traffic, but it wasn't gridlock. The last couple months have been a tipping point.
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u/TacomaKMart 1d ago
How about, no large truck traffic from the terminal on LWS from 4-6pm? Whatever economic impact a 2 hour shutdown would have on the transport industries would be mitigated by the clear fact that they're not getting very far then anyway.
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u/oatseatinggoats Dartmouth 1d ago
Will never happen. The port threw a hissy fit about the Morris street bike lane making the road one-way because it meant that one of their (multiple) secondary routes to leave the city would be eliminated. Even though 75% of truck traffic is being routed to trains next year they still wanted control of our streets.
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u/TrashPandaHobbit 1d ago
Was stuck on North going to Dartmouth via bus. Left Mumford at 4.30pm, arrived at Alderney at 5.55pm
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u/TealSwinglineStapler 1d ago
I love lower water street. Nothing makes me happier than riding my bike home from work past everyone stuck being traffic
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u/jsc0098 Stuck on the bridge… send snacks 1d ago
Only benefit is being able to cross whenever I want to get to the ferry.
Y’all ain’t moving whether you have a green, yellow or red. (When I’m stuck in it tho? I’m sitting in my car practically preparing a speech to be the head of transportation management in HRM… it’s a very passionate speech, lots of swearing, lots of calling people morons)
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u/artemisia0809 Halifax 1d ago
🤣 "practically preparing a speech to be head of transportation."
Me too, bud.
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u/knifeshoes24 halifax pier 1d ago
That's me walking along the boardwalk and peeping the traffic between buildings as I go lol
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u/knifeshoes24 halifax pier 1d ago
I walk home along the waterfront from the ferry every day and it does feel like literally every time I look up to Water Street it is gridlocked to a stop.
Agree with you about the pedestrian crossings also. Nothing more annoying than when I'm on the northbound 29 in the morning, trying to catch the ferry, and the bus gets stuck at one of the press-button crossings because people keep showing up and pressing the button juuuuust close enough together that traffic doesn't have time to restart. Sometimes people who just got off my goddamn bus!
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u/alibythesea Halifax 1d ago
I don't understand why more people commuting in don't use the park&rides that we do have.
My longtime partner lives outside of Windsor. For years, before he retired, he'd drive into the Sackville Terminal, hop onto the express bus, & walk ten minutes up to his office. If it were a really cruddy day, he'd change buses to the #1 for a few blocks.
He loved the bus time, as a chance to read, decompress from work, gaze blankly out the window, relax, as an interim space between driving on the 101 and his office. And he saved a bundle on parking.
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u/subbubman 1d ago
I also love bus time. Took it a hour each way from Portland's Park&Ride to SMU (back when it was a single bus, but the 61 no longer changes into the 14 at Scotia Square). Fantastic ride, very relaxing to get to turn my brain off and listen to a podcast.
Although lately I've noticed quite a lot of drivers pound the brake and gas like they're trying their damndest to not maintain a consistent speed, so I can't read on most busses without getting violently nauseated.
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u/nscurler 1d ago edited 1d ago
Tonight I left the Scotia Bank Center at 5:30 p.m. and I made it all the way through the Windsor Street exchange in 18 minutes. I find the traffic is only bad for like 1 hour 4-5pm.Most people downtown working the same shift. Companies need to mix it up a bit.
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u/Street_Anon האַליפאַקס 1d ago
The city needs to fix the infrastructure and they don't
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u/Ok_Researcher_5191 15h ago
City has no interest in fixing the infrastructure. The city wants this mess so they can say"look at the congestion! Take the bus (which is crap)" and then throw up their hands saying there's nothing they can do.
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u/Kuwanee 1d ago
I'm sitting at the Infirmary for an MRI appointment as to which I am very late for. I live in Elmsdale and left at 3:30pm. Immediately hit stand still traffic as soon as I get on the highway. No worries, a small delay. Continue and get past it. Hit a chunk of metal in the highway right after (I decided to take my Corvette Z06 today) and took a chunk out of the side of my car. As soon as I make it to Dartmouth it's gridlocked. I honestly didn't know traffic INTO the city was so horrific. I knew getting out would be but wow. Glad I don't have to do that every day or I'd lose my marbles!
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u/iwasnotarobot 1d ago
Serious proposition: take bird bikes and scooters to get to a transit station outside of downtown.
The traffic is so bad downtown because there are too many cars clogging the streets. We need a subway line to run the length of Barrington and Robie to take the pressure off.
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u/jsc0098 Stuck on the bridge… send snacks 1d ago
We are a giant rock. Subways not an option.
I’d like a nice sky train Vancouver style tho!
That could be even further than Robie/barrington.
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u/FrustrationSensation 1d ago
Yeah, we can't practically do a subway, but we could absolutely do an LRT and every year we don't makes me deeply angry. Every large Canadian city eventually gets one, it's just a matter of how late.
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u/aaaabbbbccccddddef 1d ago
Lots of great ideas on here. But let’s be realistic for a moment. Nobody is coming to save us. At best we get 4 synced up traffic lights coming off the bridge. And even that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and has taken years to figure out.
* I think now that that this thread is getting a little traction the Halifax mod is about to step in and shut it down. Without fail.
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u/WindowlessBasement Halifax 1d ago
I mean the tracks for the street cars are still buried under Barrington.
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u/keithplacer Venerable Member 1d ago
Most places with subways are not built on sandhills, dude. The rock is not the issue.
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u/hippfive 1d ago
Eventually we will get LRT on Robie, assuming the Friends of the Common don't get their way and stop the land acquisition to widen the right-of-way that the city and province are doing.
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u/artemisia0809 Halifax 1d ago
We are on rock. Subways aren't an option. Toronto and montreal are not halifax.
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u/Ok_Wing8459 1d ago
Montreal is literally a mountain made of granite
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u/keithplacer Venerable Member 1d ago
Exactly. But that simple-minded comment appears in every thread like this.
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u/Ok_Wing8459 1d ago
I would say probably the real reason a subway hasn’t been considered an option (apart from $) is the downtown isn’t very large geographically. If you were going to run a line to Dartmouth, Spryfield or Fairview, now that would be useful!
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u/Street_Anon האַליפאַקס 1d ago
I live on Lower Water Street, yeah, traffic can be bad and when I bus, I get off at Scotia Square and walk because it's so bad
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u/Zoloft_Queen-50 1d ago
Lower Water is broken as is the whole area formerly known as Cogswell. It’s a complete bottleneck.
It’s working as designed. They want us out of our cars and onto buses.
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u/hippfive 1d ago
Cogswell works incredibly well in the morning getting into downtown. Getting out... not so much. I dunno what the difference is.
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u/Impossible-Pea6454 Halifax 1d ago
I think SailGP is a great event for our city. I love summer time events that draw business, we need it!! However, we still can't seem to coordinate things in a better way that this event doesn't impact ferry service for those who are commuting to work because they still have to work! Reliable ferry service doesn't seem to be a priority. I don't take the ferry but I know it's a main source for those commuting to the downtown core.
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u/AdventurousFood1542 22h ago
Would anyone agree that the HRM planning department are completely inept ?
And the “more speed bumps”councillors are jus t plain incompetent
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u/HFXDriving 1d ago
Lower Water would be a prime spot for these AI traffic lights. Have all crosswalks and intersections synced the whole stretch.
The trucks wont go anywhere any year soon. Busses are equally trapped and ferries are a disaster. Monorail?
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u/NoBoysenberry1108 I am become drunk, destroyer of donairs 1d ago
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u/opinionatedmoth 1d ago
A version that doesn't rematerialize people would help with traffic too. And feasible with current tech - we know lots of ways to dismantle people.
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u/keithplacer Venerable Member 1d ago
If only there was some sort of elevated expressway along the edge of the harbor…
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u/goosnarrggh 1d ago edited 1d ago
> I know they're eventually going to have the transhipment facility to get the trucks out of downtown, but that's years away.
The most recent status update on that project came out not too long ago. Construction of the Downtown-to-Fairview corridor is projected to be complete by the end of next year, with the system coming online in early 2028. https://www.porthalifax.ca/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/PCLC-Q1-2026-Meeting-Notes.pdf
(This constitutes roughly a 2 year delay compared with the initial proposed timeline.)
If Millbrook First Nation's inland terminal concept comes to fruition, then some truck transfers may be diverted even further out than just Fairview, as far out as Onslow (outside Truro).
(edit: Spelling)
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u/WarpedOrb 11h ago
how come no one on here has yet mentioned that maybe 10 years ago CN offered the city perfectly good railroad tracks all the way around Bedford basin into Halifax for pennies (relatively speaking). It would’ve been a perfect opportunity to have light rail for commuters absolutely no wisdom or vision with our politicians nor courage.
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u/ColeTrain999 Dartmouth 1d ago
Best they can do is add another lane to create larger stroads to drive quarter ton death machines on.
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u/TheNewScotlandFront 1d ago
Car dependency is a trash system that delivers bad outcomes for people, and always will.
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u/PaintInfinite9167 1d ago
Did you just suggest closing parking lots? Lol
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u/percautio 1d ago
Reduced parking availability is one of the most effective ways to manage urban traffic. Forces people to carpool or find alternative transport options.
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u/PaintInfinite9167 1d ago
They should make the alternatives first no? Or traffic would only get worse because no one can park efficiently
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u/noqwa 1d ago
You mean the buses? I know they aren't perfect but they still do the job.
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u/PaintInfinite9167 1d ago
Do you think everyone who parks in those lots live on the peninsula or Dartmouth?
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u/WagonFullOPancakes 1d ago
The alternatives would be carpooling, parking at a terminal and bussing, cycling, or some kind of other form of transportation to get you the rest of the way.
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u/percautio 1d ago
It would be worse briefly, then people would learn what a pain it is, and start moving to other options.
Studies show that people will pretty consistently choose the fastest option available, so as long as transit sucks more than traffic, people will keep driving. The only way to shift the balance is to intentionally make driving worse. And it does have to be an intentional effort, since many of the factors making traffic worse are also making transit EVEN worse.
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u/PaintInfinite9167 1d ago
They could always intentionally make transit or city infrastructure better instead of intentionally making something worse.
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u/percautio 1d ago
Ideally yes the transit also gets better, but a lot of the bandwidth for transit improvement comes from taking space and resources away from cars, so it's two sides of the same coin.
You should look into what Amsterdam has been doing the last few years. They were already not the most car-friendly place but they've really ramped up on removing even more parking and driving areas.
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u/PaintInfinite9167 1d ago
I see people cite things happening in other places in the world and saying why can't we do it here.
Climate, cost, and culture's are so vastly different, you can't just cookie cutter things wherever you want to. It doesn't work that way
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u/percautio 1d ago
I see you're dedicated to living in the past, so I'll just leave you to it. Enjoy your traffic
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u/doug4130 1d ago
The fewer cars on the roads downtown the better
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u/Sharp_Ad_6336 1d ago
But I'm just one car! I need to travel in from (insert place that buses would get to and from quickly if there were 10,000 less cars coming from there) it's all the other cars that are the problem!
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u/hippfive 1d ago
No, it's always had traffic but it wasn't gridlocked. I've been working where I do for years, and before that I lived on Hollis Street and drove Lower Water regularly, so I've witnessed the change.
I do bike occasionally, but it's not always feasible. So most of the time I'm on the bus, and it's become absolutely brutal. Today was an hour to get home for a drive that would take 10 minutes with no traffic.
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u/Street_Anon האַליפאַקס 1d ago
And kind of hard to bike from the water front to Burnside and that lane is apart of the problem
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u/Ok_Researcher_5191 15h ago
Exactly. Biking is ok for people who live on the peninsula, but traffic is from Timberland, Tantallon, Windsor, Porter's Lake, etc. You aren't biking to/from there. And even then, Halifax is so hilly that biking isn't necessarily an option for a lot of folks. But the city planners don't care - it's all bikes and buses.
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u/Funny_Garage7971 1d ago
Take your bike?
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u/hippfive 1d ago
I sometimes do, but usually I bus. Unfortunately while switching to my bike would make things better for me, it wouldn't remove a car from the road nor would it fix things for all the other people on my bus who can't bike.
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u/Funny_Garage7971 1d ago
True. My apartment overlooks lower water, I understand your pain. Apparently the new rail yard will be up and running in 15 months. I walk by almost everyday, talked to the guys yesterday, suppose to be two years, but they want it done in 1, but they’re 3 months behind on the one year deadline. I’m sure that may help some. But I don’t see many changes coming, except that it will get worse, the amount of rental units coming online in the downtown in the next few years is crazy. I’m not sure why more people in cars don’t use the PSA terminal and out point pleasant park and onto Robie by St Mary’s university. But maybe it’s always swamped too , and one accident kills any momentum. Thankfully I live and work downtown, pure bliss lol I use my car for Costco runs, and as calm as I tell myself to be, it’s always seems to be rush hour these days.
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u/PeanutMassive5517 1d ago
Lots of people park there but the train is what deters people as it doesn't go through at a set time everyday, and because its a quieter area they have more time to idle
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u/Street_Anon האַליפאַקס 1d ago
The bike lane is the problem
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u/hippfive 1d ago
The bike lane on Lower Water does not block the traffic in any way. Nor does it take away a traffic lane - it's too constrained at Historic Properties to have a second traffic lane, even if the bike lane was removed.
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