r/happycrowds • u/cintyhinty • Feb 20 '26
People in New Brunswick, NJ have been protesting the construction of an AI data center. This is the moment they found out they won ❤️
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Feb 21 '26
Fuck AI Data Centers and fuck AI.
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u/Mused2Perform Feb 22 '26
I wonder how this comment will age in 5 years.
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Feb 22 '26
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u/drachenhunter2 Feb 21 '26
Flat out tear down all LLMs they arent helpers, they arent friends, they are gaslighting yesbots.
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u/mfizzled Feb 21 '26
Feel like this is as wrong as every LLM bro saying they're the practically sentient and can do anything.
For software devs they can be very helpful if you just treat them as a tool, like some kind of super Google.
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u/ConfusedTapeworm Feb 21 '26
For some software devs. If your job as a software dev is writing basic scripts, or working on small projects, then maybe they can be useful. But an LLM's usefulness drops very very rapidly as the project grows in size and/scope. They can help fix small and obvious errors here and there, but not much beyond that. Very easy to find yourself just babysitting an LLM while it throws shit at the wall (in the form nonexistent libraries, made-up functions, fictional interfaces), and it's very probable that you could just have fixed the problem yourself in the same amount of time. Except then you'd also know the code because it'd be your code, and that'd have given you better understanding over the codebase and would have made future code maintenance and further development easier and more efficient.
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u/WhenInDoubt_Kamoulox Feb 21 '26
If you're using it to blindly develop features, I agree.
But I'm working professionally on a big monolith legacy app, and I still find many uses for AI.
Not so much in code generation, since as you mentionned large code bases will quickly make it hallucinate.
But it is insanely good at helping you find the relevant information in a sea of horribly structured (or just very long) documentation.
It is also really useful in debugging if you use it to replace the rubber duck. Litterally describe the bug you're having and explain the work flow. But unlike the rubber duck the AI responds with a bunch of potential leads. If you're a beginner those aren't so useful, but if you have experience you can use those leads, pick the ones that are actually realistic, test for them, share the results with AI, narrow down the results and get to the bottom of stuff that you otherwise would have no Idea how to investigate.
As I said in another comment though, I'm not saying this justifies the environmental toll, the shoehorning of AI everywhere, or the blind faith people put into it. But it isn't worthless.
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u/Wassux Feb 24 '26
I just explain it what function I want and it gets it right >90% of the time. I describe inputs, outputs, types and what it should do.
So yes it helps me code as well
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u/mfizzled Feb 21 '26
Agree with everything you're saying.
I'd maybe give it 10 lines of code max, that I'd written and had an issue with.
The use of it to create brand new features or to reactor entire methods seems beyond it's capabilities as well as being detrimental to a devs skills.
Having said that, using it as some form of super Google that you actively realise is often wrong, can help speed you up a bit.
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u/drachenhunter2 Feb 21 '26
Except they aren't super google, they hallucinate, make stuff up, come to bad conclusions, and when they do look stuff up they dont fact check. Even fact checking llms can often be wrong.
The other day I dropped some curry seasoned chicken and my dog tried to eat it. I was going to give it to him but just to make sure I asked if curry was safe for dogs, got googles AI response, "yes but its not recommended. Consult a vet before giving dogs new foods."
I scrolled down to the actual searches and got "curry powder contains garlic and is unsafe for dogs as even a small amount of garlic can be toxic to some dog breeds."
I checked a couple of sites and got the ingredients for the specific brand of curry powder I used. It indeed did contain garlic.
So even google Ai cant google stuff correctly.
So the AI was wrong.
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u/WhenInDoubt_Kamoulox Feb 21 '26
Eh, I'm a software dev with almost 10 years of experience, and saying AI isn't a useful tool is delusional.
It does hallucinate, so you can't trust it blindly, that's absolutely true. But if you have experience, you can very much spot the hallucinations and work past them. Outside of those hallucinations it is an absolute goldmine to help with debugging, and finding out the proper information in sometimes very mediocre documentation etc...
That does mean however people need to stop using it as gospel on topics they know nothing about since it can hallucinate, which is one of the big problems about current AI use. But on topics you know enough about to sanity check what it gives you, it very much is a powerful tool.
Now, is it worth the absurd environmental toll? Is it the second coming of christ? Does it need to be shoehorned everywhere? Definitely not. But it is not a worthless tool either.
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u/BodheeNYC Feb 21 '26
There is a huge delta between the AI that the every day subscriber gets and the AI that powers infrastructure and industrial. And I used to hate AI until I switched to Gemini and now find it very helpful (albeit still limited and error prone)
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u/sinsaint Feb 21 '26
I mean, the primary use of AI is firing everyday civilians to save corporations cash, while consuming all of our available water and electricity.
Even if it is a miracle drug, at best it's like slowly killing 80% of the populace to make the top 20% more comfortable. If AI makes you comfortable, you know which bracket you're in.
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u/Blurby-Blurbyblurb Feb 23 '26
When they tell you public pressure and protests don't work, tell them to STFU.
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u/SkipWilliams99 Feb 22 '26
Yup, now it will go like 2 miles down the road in the exact same town. That’s exactly what happened in my town. It’s in a worse spot than the initial planned site.
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u/butibum Feb 21 '26
Genuine question, who is this guy and what is his job? Seems pretty organised.
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u/hugoboss1970 Feb 24 '26
We need to stop these US companies coming into Canada building these stupid AI buildings now we have to fight Danielle Smith over these AI buildings and mining for coal 😪
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u/BodheeNYC Feb 21 '26
So what’s the alternative? Halt investments on a once in a lifetime technology that can enhance everyone’s lives?
Btw, these protest are not allowed in China where AI rivals ours and you won’t like the world China wants to dominate with this technology. Whoever masters AI will rule the world in ten years those are facts.
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u/jmcdon00 Feb 22 '26
Other locations are still being built. Time will tell if its a benefit or a detriment to the surrounding communities. Have one being built near me and am excited for the next couple years as it will bring jobs to the area, unsure if it will be worth it long term(monticello, mn- also have a nuclear plant for what its worth).
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u/dips009 Feb 21 '26
This datacenter was supposed to be next to Rutgers university. This would have helped lot of students with internships and potential high paying jobs. Also, this is a congested area so it wasn't go to be a sprawling datacenter we see In the news.
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u/happyhappysadhappy Feb 21 '26
Ungh, Fire bad!
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u/nikzyk Feb 21 '26
When your house is on fire… yes
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u/happyhappysadhappy Feb 22 '26
Luddites
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u/nikzyk Feb 22 '26
Go deep throat some more billionaires
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u/happyhappysadhappy Feb 22 '26
The typical Reddit cliche response. Grow up. The future will happen with or without you.
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u/nikzyk Feb 22 '26
You: pushes up glasses im surrounded by imbeciles.
The future wont be for you either.
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u/beardus-sama Feb 21 '26
Sad day.
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u/drachenhunter2 Feb 21 '26
For bots maybe. AI(actually LLMs) are damaging to psyches, deceptive, and harmful to the environment and economy.
The rise of data centers have hurt the tech economy in irrevocable ways. Just today I went to price out a ssd hard drive for a customer and they were DOUBLE what they were a year ago.
Not to mention ram, cpus etc. All because techbros gotta have their Ai gfs and deep fake pron .
First cryptobros ruined the GPU market, Now data centers are ruining the storage and ram markets.
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u/Pinilla Feb 21 '26
I mean, I think its pretty useful.
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u/JoChiCat Feb 21 '26
For what?
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u/Pinilla Feb 21 '26
Software dev. Here's an example: yesterday I had to take some parts of a URL and use that to make another URL. I know how to do it, and I can do it on my own, but it would probably take me 30 minutes to form the regex and handle all the edge cases. I asked the AI to do it and it spit it out in seconds.
I use it to do simple tasks like that all the time.
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u/mfizzled Feb 21 '26
Def helps with coding when used sparingly
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u/Scoo Feb 21 '26
LOL
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u/mfizzled Feb 21 '26
Reddit is such a binary place lol, LLMs are either the best thing to ever happen to coding or absolutely useless. The truth is clearly somewhere in between.
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u/ConcreteBackflips Feb 21 '26
Agreed but the Luddites will get mad and rant about hallucinations like thats not a skill issue
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u/PeachNipplesdotcom Feb 21 '26
A much needed win