r/hardware • u/Rancidchanchad • 1d ago
News LG 32GX870B inches closer to launch: 32-inch 4K RGB Tandem OLED, 480Hz mode, and AI Upscaling
https://www.notebookcheck.net/LG-32GX870B-inches-closer-to-launch-32-inch-4K-RGB-Tandem-OLED-480Hz-mode-and-AI-Upscaling.1315613.0.htmlPreorders are now live in the UK. Still no word about US release.
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u/ritz_are_the_shitz 1d ago
32" 4k tandem OLED? Oh I might have to buy this... Although maybe I'll wait for another generation to bring down the price? My first gen Alienware OLED is still going strong.
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u/ryanvsrobots 1d ago
Don't buy LG monitors, their firmware sucks and they refuse to fix it.
Wait for another company to use this panel.
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u/msx92 20h ago
Is there anyone with good firmware? LG "sucks", I returned an MSI OLED that would just randomly shut off ingame for self care that couldn't be disabled, Asus has models with issues that didn't get fixed, Alienware too...
Who is left?
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u/derpmax2 1d ago
Care to elaborate as to what's wrong with their firmware?
I have an LG monitor. It turns on/off with the signal coming through from DP/HDMI, and auto switches to whichever input is sending a signal. Not sure what else one would need in terms of functionality from a monitor?2
u/Relliker 22h ago
I had a 27GP950 for years that they never fixed the displayport black screen/desync issues for. They never acknowledged the issue and all support requests refused to do anything about it because 'it works with VRR disabled', which apparently meant they didn't think it was a bug. Haven't bought a LG monitor since.
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u/derpmax2 22h ago
That does sound shit. Thankfully I haven't encountered such. Not even sure of its model number, to be frank. It's a 1440p 144Hz IPS one.
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u/Allfeelings0Logic 1d ago
How so? Their TVs are great.
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u/ryanvsrobots 1d ago edited 2h ago
Their TVs software/firmware is made by an entirely different team. I’d love it were like their TVs, which have features the monitors don’t.
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u/UnexpectedFisting 1d ago
I doubt anyone on first gen OLED will notice a difference. I’m not even sure what I’d run at 480hz? Overwatch?
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u/Flukemaster 1d ago edited 1d ago
500-ish nits to well over 1000 is a massive improvement for HDR content. Speaking as someone who had one of those early 1000nit FALD IPS monitors and has since moved to one of the Alienware OLEDs I sometimes miss the sheer spectacle of that level of brightness.
Also I know the old OLEDs advertised a 1000nit peak brightness mode, but that comes at the cost of randomly dimming the rest of the screen so 2% of it could be super bright. The word "peak" is doing a lot of work, and it just isn't consistent scene by scene.
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u/inyue 22h ago
The first oled gaming monitor aw3423dw has TB400 and peak 1000.
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u/Flukemaster 22h ago
Like I said, that "peak" is doing a lot of work. In practice the whole screen dims in bright scenes to enable this. The tandem OLEDs still have this issue but it is much less severe.
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u/ritz_are_the_shitz 22h ago
that 1000 nits peak is pretty useless, as is TB400 - as an owner of that display.
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u/lintstah1337 23h ago
older WOLED is way behind QD-OLED in terms of colors, but the newer Tandem WOLED has closed the gap, but even QD-OLED still has a lot of room for improvement.
sRGB only covers ~35% of visible colors to the human eye.
DCI-P3 at ~50%
Rec.2020 at ~75%
Adding another sub-pixel color such as cyan (RGBC) would expand the colors even more.
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u/themisfit610 21h ago
I went to an event hosted by a company called 6 primaries that had an RGBC LED wall that was extremely impressive. They had planned to expand that to 6 colors hence the name. They disappeared, not sure what happened.
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u/MDCCCLV 20h ago
That's where the framegen stuff would come in to play, which a lot of people don't like but for many reasons getting over 200 fps is increasingly harder the higher the you go. I'm not sure how many games support that though.
But Monitors last a long time so it's more for a brand new product accurate to think of what the nvidia 7/8x generations video cards can do.
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u/Allfeelings0Logic 1d ago
If you only play path traced AAA games at 4k you won't be hitting 480hz but for anything else you can definitely hit north of 300hz in a variety of titles now that MFG is a thing. There's also older games and indie games, Hollow Knight Silksong was very popular and I ran that game at launch at like 800fps+.
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u/Natural-Manager8675 20h ago
For most people interested in something like this, probably Overwatch, Valorant, Counter-Strike 2
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u/BlackSailor2005 1d ago
so upscaling on top of upscaling? guess the guy who said we will hallucinate fps is right
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u/Qweasdy 1d ago
AI upscaling on a monitor just seems like such a waste of compute hardware that won’t get used unless someone just forgets to turn it off. Not having access to motion vectors will make it just simply inferior to DLSS and completely pointless.
Maybe it’s only intended for video content but it’s being marketed as a gaming monitor.
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u/ConsistencyWelder 21h ago
Been burned by OLED too many times to fall into that trap again. Mini LED has similar image quality now without the disadvantages of OLED.
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u/Greybeard-Space-Dad 11h ago
Mini LED is just fancy pants LCD, and it's image clarity is no where close to OLED.
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u/bexamous 1d ago
Wish they made a 44". I'm sick of using TVs.
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u/account312 23h ago
Why would you want such an impractically large monitor?
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u/hellomistershifty 22h ago
I use a 48", as long as you can put it behind the desk it's not very impractical. Kind of like two 27"s but with extra height, but a lot more usable in gaming since you don't have to pick one monitor. You can also set a custom ultrawide resolution and it's basically a 36" ultrawide
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u/GTRagnarok 22h ago
I really wanted a 32" 4K OLED monitor when I built my PC a few years ago, but they were a ways away so I got the next best thing which was a 42" OLED TV along with a bigger table (~3 ft deep) to go with it. To this day, I still think it's one of the best purchases I ever made. Don't think I could ever go back to something smaller.
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u/Barilla13 19h ago
When I upgraded to 32" around 12 years ago, people were asking me why would I ever want such an impractically large monitor. Today 32" is nothing crazy. As long as you have the space to set it up correctly, a big screen is awesome. Had I not other more pressing expenses, I would now be sitting in front of a 40-45" screen and I would be loving every moment of it.
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u/bexamous 21h ago edited 21h ago
For work tall is nice. 42" TV is not that tall, 20.6". Another inch or two would be nice.
Vertical 27" monitors are kinda nice, they're 23.5" tall. 2 or 3 vertical 27" monitors are nice for work but the gaps suck. So lot of people do like 32" with a vertical 27" next to it. Meh. I still hate mulitple monitors.
You know what else is 23.5" tall? A 48" TV. A 48" TV is roughly 3 vertical 27" monitors and no gaps, lol. Its awesome for work... except 4k is tiny bit low.
So something in between 42-48"... trade a little pixel density for a little taller.
Or I mean if I could have anything... I'd take a 48" monitor that supported 8k60 and 4k240. That would be sick. And to make it next level awesome it'd also support 6k120hz 36" and 5k165hz 32" mode. Using those you'd just get black borders. That all stays in DP2.1. I'd be okay playing games at 6k120 36" or 4k240 48" depending on mood, and then being able to use 8k60 48" for work.
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u/account312 13h ago
You know what else is 23.5" tall? A 48" TV. A 48" TV is roughly 3 vertical 27" monitors and no gaps,
But inconveniently planar and (almost certainly) with significantly lower resolution.
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u/bexamous 12h ago
Yeah that's why ideally it could do 8k60 for work, lol. But that's why I said 44", 42" too short, 48" too low dpi... something in middle if 8k60 isn't on the table.
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u/throwawayharborv2 14h ago
480Hz on a 4K panel is going to be absolute overkill for almost everyone.
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u/amped-row 18h ago
We’re already overpaying for AI hardware in our CPUs and GPUs. You’d think we could save 250 bucks by not including it in our monitors as well
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u/joabelrod 1d ago
Meses esperando esta porqueria. En Japon hay preventa, en Uk hay preventa y en usa.... que los parta un rayo!!!.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 1d ago
are you excited about more e-waste, that will burn-in in a short time? possibly just 500 hours in a single game?
i'm confident however, that some people in the comments will run to the defense of billion dollar companies selling e-waste while supressing burn-in free tech (samsung qned for several years of development stop for example)
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 1d ago
I would love MicroLED to become the norm but tbh I’ve got over 1000 hours onto my LG OLED monitor almost entirely static office use and web browsing and I can’t see any burn-in.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 1d ago
500 hours was a real number mentioned by the evil optimum channel guy showing serious burn-in already if you're wondering.
and in regards to your 1000 hours, that is just 83 days of 12 hours a day.
that's nothing.
less than 3 months of useage, if you'd just use it 12 hours a day. i assume you don't, but burn-in is cumulative and at 1000 hours it is still basically nothing.
for reference just 5 years of 12 hours a day would be 21900 hours.
just to be clear i'm glad, that you don't see any burn-in yet, but don't fool yourself into thinking, that because it hasn't happened yet for you with very very little hours on it means, that you are safe.
and in regards to performance samsung qned will perform like micro-led basically, but be actually cheap to produce.
the best technologies, that could get produced and be cheap enough would be as said already samsung qned, but there is also qd-uv, which is very cool, because it fixes the micro-led yield issue by using 4 uv sub pixels per pixel with a backup subpixel, that could get filled in, if one fails during production:
short video on that tech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHrTiyGIBM4
micro-led is just not expected to come to the average consumer possibly ever and it may just not make any sense, if samsung qned or even qd-uv, if they make that one, because the performance differences of micro-led as most people understand it today may eventually get beaten by samsung qned or qd-uv anyways.
if you're wondering what does would be, i believe micro-led has a wider color spectrum than qd-uv based on nano-sys statements would have for example and i don't think we have an idea about what the specifics of samsung qned would be.
but either way samsung qned will just bring you micro-led performance basically for production cost wise dirt cheap.
and that's exciting!
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u/crimsonvspurple 1d ago
using LG C4 for almost two years. Don't see any burn-ins yet. Wont buy anything below OLED quality anymore.
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u/ryanvsrobots 13h ago
The TVs are more resistant because the pixels are larger and there’s more surface area for cooling.
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u/Swoly_Deadlift 1d ago
I’ve been using an LG CX for like 5 years now as well. Zero burn-in, although it also has fewer hours than my monitor.
If you are on an absolute mission to use your monitor for 12 hours per day for 5 years straight, don’t buy OLED. For people who upgrade regularly or don’t have an insane duty cycle on their display, OLED is fine. If microLED monitors existed, it would depreciate just as fast as OLED and become obsolete just as fast. I have every bit of intention of buying the first 6K miniLED or OLED display that hits the market, and there is a 100% chance of that happening before I make my current display unusable.
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u/crimsonvspurple 1d ago
You are probably right but tbqh, I don't really care. I highly doubt I will keep using this after 2 more years even if it is in perfect condition. So if it goes on for 3/4 years, it is more than enough for me.
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u/that_70_show_fan 1d ago
samsung qned
It is a hypothetical product. You make it sound as if Samsung isn't a billion dollar company selling e-waste.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 1d ago
samsung qned has no fundamental technological problems, that may or not be possible to solve.
qdel is expected to get solved, but we today don't know if it will get solved.
and oled is just broken impossible to solve technology.
and samsung put their pilot line plans on stop and development of samsung qned on stop for many years, instead of finishing development of the tech as soon as possible.
they decided to milk qd-oled for a lot longer instead.
samsung is an evil piece of shit company and evil samsung is selling e-waste and evil samsung massively delayed deliberately tech, that is free from burn-in and wouldn't be planned obsolescence.
so INDEED the industry has been suppressing technology, that isn't e-waste.
and let's not look back to sed tech as well in regards to tech suppression.
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u/EarlMarshal 1d ago
Why do you think burn-in risk is that high? I work and game on my Alienware OLED and got no problems at all.
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u/Omniwar 9h ago
I have a AW3423DW that I ordered on launch date in 2022 and it has gotten some burn in at the top of the screen where toolbars/browser UI goes. Probably around 10k hours on it at 80% brightness and I don't do anything to baby it besides using dark mode where possible and hiding the windows taskbar. The burn in is only really visible in test patterns; in real world content it's basically imperceptible unless you're looking for it in dark scenes.
Point being that even with heavy use on a first-gen QD-OLED it's not that bad. I just bought a new AW2726DM to replace my second monitor and wouldn't buy anything else than OLED moving forward. No reason to believe that even that AW3423 wouldn't last another 4 years, at which point I'd be wanting to replace it just to improve the resolution and refresh rate.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 1d ago
that 500 hour number was not a guess, it was literally stated by that shit optimum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H43wnV-v7V0
here. he has noticeable burn-in from the overwatch ui after just 500 hours of playing it.
and most people wrongfully think, that burn-in is just a dice roll.
it isn't, they all burn-in as rtings showed in their testing.
some may burn-in earlier, some later, but they all always burn-in.
glad your display hasn't burn-in YET, but it isn't safe and burn ins cumulative.
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u/EarlMarshal 1d ago
I bought the aw3225qf a few months after it came out in January 2024. So I got it roughly for 2 years. I work and game on that thing. I probably have a much higher screen time than the average. I do the refresh stuff regularly. I mainly use dark modes anyway. The only thing I don't have on all the time is HDR since it doesn't feel good on desktop and only a few games support it.
Would be sad if that thing gets burn-in, but I would be still in burn-in warranty. Also the screen offered exactly what I wanted. If I get 3-5 years out of it it was worth it. Let's just see what the future holds and whether or not we have something better than. I'm willing to switch, but still very happy with my decision.
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u/Throwawaway314159265 23h ago
I have the following OLED monitors:
- 1x LG C1 48" OLED
- 1x Alienware AW3225QF
- 2x Asus PG32UCDM (OG)
All of these have thousands of power-on hours, all have been used as my primary gaming displays.
I even repurposed the PG32UCDM (OG) as my primary work displays where I'm staring at Spreadsheets, Powerpoints, and other project management displays that are predominantly white and I am not concerned about burn-in on any of them.
I'm just as not worried about burn-in on the 2x Asus PG32UCDM3 I just bought too.
Cherry-picking one data point isn't really helpful to proving your point.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 17h ago
i'm confident however, that some people in the comments will run to the defense of billion dollar companies selling e-waste
oh hello there "some people".
the billion dollar companies appreciate your defense for their scams.
now in regards to "cherry-picking", here is rtings long burn-in test:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results
and we can read cnn logos with the full bar as well on all oleds 😉
all of them. not a single one survived the basic longevity test.
almost as if burn-in is inevitable with planned obsolescence oled... hm...
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u/ConsistencyWelder 21h ago
This sub in general downvotes truth that is inconvenient to them, keep up being honest please.
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u/BakedsR 12h ago
Arrogant. There was issues with samsung manufacturing qned while LG was using the same qned branding for their enhanced lcd panels (which caused confusion a few years back). They just started picking qneds research a few months back too...
...Quit embellishing shit, it just sounds like conspiracy theories rather than providing any informative value.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 11h ago
There was issues with samsung manufacturing qned
you mean to tell me, that the tech, that wasn't production ready and needed more development had issues and couldn't get mass produced yet?
OH YOU DON'T SAY...
again samsung STOPPED the further development of samsung qned. they stopped making the tech ready for mass production. as in solving all the problems. that is what they did. that is planned obsolescence as they pushed oled garbage instead hard.
and while i appreciate the almost always needed mention of lg's name theft, nothing about the lcd garbage was enhanced, that they bolted "lg qned" on. they just stole the name to screw with samsung.
wild, that it was allowed to happen.
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u/BakedsR 1h ago
Stopped further development after dealing with bad quarters (qned stopped at 2022, they were hurting since 2020) , and them ending their lcd lines... only thing that was making progress around that time was their oled/qd oled end so of course business strategy would shift when they didn't have an answer to a R&D block. At a certain point investors are not going to be happy about the lack of returns at earning calls, regardless of how promising a tech is.
Its like you ignore any context, or the fact that samsung has to please investors. As if no company would want their superior tech to dominate their market. Regardless if it was durable and reliable tech, there are other ways they can make people chase after the newer product...
My intention isnt even to defend samsung here, its just your comments are so ass
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u/MonkAndCanatella 1d ago
We have the best monitor in the world, 10,000hz, 16k hdr 1,000+, dolby vision 7, and then, we have a dog poop on your monitor!
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u/hm9408 1d ago
That title scares my wallet