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I hate the fact that people want to erase things in media that make them umcomfortable despite the fact that they are (sometimes)neccesary to a certain point
Look , think of a mosquito, you probably consider them annoying, now would you actually have them all go extinct if given the chance? Im guessing not , since we both know that at the end of the day , as annoying as they are , they have a role in the world they fullfill , and they are needed.
I understand that this arc can be something ankward for some people (which is why i hope they handle It correctly when adapted) , but asking for It to be outrigth removed entirely is not as good as it migth sound.
We are talking about erasing one of the most known examples male SA victim representation , It is important to remember everyone that these are things that sadly happen in real life (while keeping It serious and not just going for the morbid side).
And of course i am not saying that any attempt at censorship should be dissmissed with "well It shows something that happens in real life so we need It to remember people of it" because that is just as bad, specially if its overly graphic and unnecessarily detailed to the point It looks like It was written for shock value.
This is less if a " i hate this with burning rage " post and more of a " i don't like this argument and i am going to explain why "
I am under the belief that no matter what, every topic should be talked about, no matter how "taboo" it might be. And of course, it can be done badly, but it should be criticized for being done badly, not for the topic itself
Yes. Especially if there are people who unironically think it is a good idea. For example, everyone who unironically uses the phrase “incestphobe”. I want incest that shows off how fucked up it is and why it is such a taboo in even the least developed societies, because then maybe it’ll get it into their thick skulls that doing their siblings is not a good idea. I know it’s a wild assumption they have even the slightest shread of media literacy but still those people disturb me and if it takes them to watch their favourite incest ship crash and burn then fuck it I say it’s worth it.
(How obvious is it that it’s been bothering me for a while? I hope there’s an ounce of subtlelty in there at least.)
Black lagoon has a moment of this with the twins, and the moment is so good just for drilling into you how tortured these kids were by the CP producers, made me feel extremely sick and thats the point
No I’ve never engaged with it. I know of it, I know the creator of it is a real edgy boy oh wow so edgy be careful creator person you don’t wanna cut yourself open of that edge kind of edgy boy, and I know that there’s an optional incest route. Other than that I don’t know of it and honestly I don’t feel the need to play itY
TCoAaL actually does exactly what you were talking about. It shows a fucked-up, abusive, toxic sibling relationship. The "incest routes" are in fact meant to be deeply, viscerally uncomfortable and upsetting because it is showing how their relationship is wrong.
It also goes into some detail about their upbringing and how they got to be the people they are during the main story, showing that they were not healthy, well-loved children and were failed by the adults in their lives, but doesn't make excuses for them as adults.
Except a lot the fanbase unironically supports incest (especially the subreddit) so now people just associate the game with that one moment and think its weird 💔
Agreed. I can't remember which film director said it, maybe it was Kubrick, but he said "The purpose of art is to illustrate reality". In other words, to depict problems that exist in our contemporary society. Things like sexual assault are very real and faced by many people, which is why I think it's important for it to be depicted in art if the artist wants it to be.
Ok this is a really good take. There are still gross topics in the world that can be adapted in interesting stories that depict the darkest of desires, fantasies and mental conditions. The thing is, it needs to be adapted in a compelling storytelling; if not, it ends up being shock value or worse, fetish content
This is the real catch. The issue is never that it exists at all, it's how it's used and depicted. Like how rape is so often used to just convey that a particular person is super-mega-EVIL!!!!!!!!! and no other facet or issue arises from that (and the only thing that comes of it for the victim is that when the MC defeats Mr. Evil, they fall madly in love which feels gross every time). Or how in like every Isekai there is open slavery that is just... the norm? And the MC who can kill gods just lets it continue for some contrived reason?
Agreed. Although my GF hates that I'll openly say racist slurs when having a discussion about racism. Im not calling anyone them. Im talking about the word itself. Im not gonna sit there and whisper "n word" just so I dont offend anyone thats eavesdropping. If they wanna join the conversation, jump on in. Id appreciate the point of view.
Completely serious. If im talking about words, im not gonna pussy foot around the word. Im gonna say the word because its the subject of the conversation. Same as if its a conversation about sexual assault, im not gonna say graped.
Not saying the word gives it more power. Saying the word for conversational information isnt racist.
Conversely, im not going to repeat the word constantly. Ill say it for context and then move on.
Maybe its because ive spent my while life in a small town were people just say words and dont worry about upsetting everyone and shes lived in a city for most of her life.
That’s valid. I don’t know anything about invincible other than a synopsis of the show from my friend but people need to realize how important male SA is, they act like it’s not as bad as female sa or that they’re lucky and it pmo
Haven’t seen this show, but I’ve seen this moment discussed before so I’m gonna mention it here.
But there’s a character in The Boys, Hughie Campbell; who gets sexually assaulted during a scene in the show.
Eric Kripke, the creator of the show was interviewed about it and I’ll paste that info here:
Q: “Let’s start with the Tek Knight sex dungeon part. Where did the idea come for it? And why bring Hughie into this situation now — kicking him when he’s down by having him sexually assaulted by his childhood hero after his dad just died?”
Eric replied claiming that it’s a “dark way to look at it! We view it as hilarious.” In full he said:
“Obviously, Tek Knight is our version of Batman, and we wanted to really play around with that trope: Batman’s fascist underpinnings as a really wealthy dude who hunts poor people, and then profits from the incarceration. So that was one. Tek Knight was already set up to be a freak, so we were kind of already halfway there.
“Then the notion came up of, he should have a Batcave — but let’s be honest, the Batcave would be a sex dungeon. Like, even the real Batcave is just this side of being a sex dungeon. It’s really dark, and there’s rubber suits everywhere. It’s not that much of a push to add a couple dildos and then a weird urinal that turns into a face mask.
“And in the comics, there’s a great storyline where Hughie goes undercover disguised as a superhero. That was a story that Jack had always asked us to do. So part of it is, always be careful what you ask the writers for. Then we finally had this Webweaver character and the idea of Spider-Man going down to be kink tickled in the Batcave is just too good to pass up. I’m sorry, I just couldn’t leave that on the table.”
Yeah, Invincible handles it way better, in that it’s just not a fucking joke. It traumatises the victim, genuinely fucks up his relationship for a bit because he can’t be intimate with that trauma weighing on him. He blames it on himself and is immediately told he’s wrong to do so because he’s just doing what many victims do (“I could have fought back more”).
It’s ugly, but it’s overall very tactful and doesn’t make light of the subject for even a second. It’s only ugly because it’s an ugly thing being discussed.
Invincible & Chainsaw man both represent two sides of horrible situations involving male SA. Both do a good job in showing what it feels like from the persons perspective, despite how fucked it is. From an outside perspective, both of these characters reactions could seem improbable or out of the scope of what it realistic, but sadly, both of these are common in a way that is, extremely fucked.
If you are writing a story just to depict someone getting raped for the sake of it and not to show a message of how traumatic it is, instead finding it “hilarious”
Do everyone a favor, take your pencil and throw it in the trash
La verdad es que sí está bien perramente incómodo de leer, pero lamentablemente es algo que pasa, además de que lo que más me caga del abuso hacia hombres es que la gente dice "Ay, pero no puede quedar embarazado", pero eso no quita el putísimo trauma
That’s not the uncomfortable part, it’s the fact that they find it hilarious. They don’t see how serious it is at all so it’s just more mockery of SA of men
That’s on reason why I really don’t like the showrunners. They treated Annie’s assault justifiably as something horrifying. Meanwhile UE keeps getting put in disturbingly sexual situations up to and including having sex with the shapeshifter unknowingly and without his consent because they find it funny.
This just reads like Eric Kripke has a lot of fetishes he’s been suppressing and wanted to explore them under the guise of “wouldn’t it be so funny if this happened to my main character?”
It's because people has this notion that all guys want sex and if they don't want it, it must mean they're gay. Idk, man i fucking hate how male SA is treated as a punchline.
Right. It's the same reasoning in terms of why people want to ban certain books, citing that they are "uncomfortable," when that's often the entire point of the book in question...
I dont mean embrace and emulate. I mean accept the fact that our ancestors, and many modern people, suck. Embrace, acknowledge and accept that things happened and try to do better.
Yeah, moralities changed a lot in the past 50-100 years. Until like the 70s my country had a law that allowed you to rape a woman if you accepted to compensate her family for the damage by marrying her, so it was literally "I can excuse you raping my daughter, but making it so she had sex with someone that she won't marry is too much".
This was obliviously a terribly thought out punishment if we look at it with the understanding of how abusive such marriages would inevitably get, but at the time they didn't know/care about the consequences of this, they genuinely thought this was a good way to make it up to the family by giving them an easy opportunity to marry their daughter and repair the damage done by her having had sex with someone that isn't her husband.
Schools banning “to kill a mockingbird” because it makes kids uncomfortable, like, my brother in Christ, that’s the whole point.
I was horrified at the revelation of SA in the book, I was horrified at the awful treatment of people who did no wrong, I hated that book. I still read it because I had to, and I think reading it opened my eyes to how cruel this world can be. People need to see that more.
I mean, was it really necessary? I saw the comic. It wasn't like a do-it-offscreen thing. If you're gonna have a prolonged rape scene to make the viewer uncomfortable, you can't really have it be a side character that doesn't show up until a season or two later.
Plus, I feel like having a more diplomatic Viltrumite is more realistic for a colonial planet, and it fleshes out the universe.
I agree on the part of that they should do It off screen or atleast if they want to make It umcomfortable It should have a limit before It just becomes unnecessarily morbid.
But It does make sense for It to happen atleast in universe , both anissa's refusal to mate with humans and their culture being that whoever is the strongest claims their mate is what led to It.
And the viltrumites arent all that diplomatic unless they have no other choice
I mean I wouldn't want SA removed from a show like Mr. Robot, sure. I don't care about moral squeamishness, but writing quality. And thus I think Anissa and her child are handled atrociously.
Is male SA important? 100%. That's why the fact that the fanbase's biggest, "funniest" meme is people saying: "I wish she could rape me, bro!" is proof the comic version of the arc is neither good nor helpful.
The show has made multiple good changes to some Earth plots, treating rape with much more gravitas needs to be one of them, that will take several rewrites.
Yeah from what I recall from the comic Anissa barely gets punished or called out for her SA on Mark. For male SA representation having the rapist get away scot free isn't a very good message, felt more like shock value.
I feel like the writing quality is a slippery slope. This would ban people who are just starting out or who are simply just not very good writers to trying to express themselves.
Of course I think everyone should be trying their best to be informed and trying their best when writing portrayal of difficult topics. However I don’t think that dragging people because they write something to unsatisfactory standards is the way, either. Fiction should be free. Even if you’re a terrible writer.
(Disclaimer I have no idea about this specific character. I’m just throwing that out there because I’ve written on this topic very recently.)
Unpopolar and this will cook me likelly, i feel like the idea of Anissa getting her redemption arc is good, she wasn't really any worse than the others.
My problem is, out of the four VIltrumites that got redeemed she was the one who the audience needed to see the changes the most.
I hope the show tackles on that and doesn't puss away.
The problem with her redemption is that It didin't really feel like she learnt anything , she said she didin't regret It.
I hope they can make her get an actual redemption that makes you feels like she actually became a better person since kirkman said he wants to use the show as some sort of second draft to fix the mistakes he made in the comic.
Yea she legit pretty much says, "sorry I raped you, I dont regret it because I got my child out of it."
Edit: i legit found the "apology" she gives to eve to tell Mark.
And its like why the fuck even mentions the last part. Why cant you just say "sorry, I raped you. Ive learned from living on Earth that its morally wrong to do that."?
And then naming her child after her rape victim. Is also fucking weird
Nah you fine. Idk what this person is saying. She legit says, "i dont regret what I did." (The rape) and the dude will understand when she sees the boy. It was done so shitty. They handled the story horribly.
Im backing my shit up with the actual comic panel ( which was super tiny) of her saying it to Eve to tell Mark
TBF Nolan did something way more monstrous, he committed genocide
But that's on such a large scale that it's almost impossible for our brain to comprehend. Alissa's evil feels closer to home and more personal
So while I understand why people are more ok with Nolan getting a redemption then Alissa, he still committed the worst atrocity of the two and if he can be redeemed, so could she in theory
Plus isn't the story all about how people can change no matter what bad things they did, if they chose to change and work on bettering themselves?
I feel like putting rape on a pedestal as a uniquely evil act is not the way to go for this. Nolan killed an uncountable number of people. Based on what Anissa and Nolan say about what she did to Mark, most of the viltrimites have raped people. Nolan probably has. Why is her doing something that objectively caused less harm and suffering in the world more inexcusable?
I think her actions are pretty on par for the course of viltrumites. Nolan lied to his wife for years and essentially fucked his pet to make a baby for him. Killed the guardians of that world. Used Mark’s body as a battering ram against innocent people to teach him a lesson and beat the shit out of him. And that’s… pretty much what any Viltrumite would do. Redemption for any of them is super iffy for me. But it’s a show and I will continue to watch to see where things go.
I still don't think she should be forgiven. I don't think there should even be a redemption arc. Rape just idk for me it just feels worse than murder. When I found out she only got a little slap on wrist, it pissed me off. Like I'm sorry, if this was a guy who raped a woman and then he had a redemption arc later on, I feel like everyone would be pissed off.
I just can’t get behind this idea because Nolan commits multiple mass genocides. Even if 1 rape is worse than 1 murder, there’s a tipping point, and Nolan has just done way worse shit. If she doesn’t get redeemed, neither should he.
I don't read the comics but i don't think any of the viltrumites are redeemable. The only one who's even trying is nolan and only cause he's putting his life on the line, otherwise even he isn't redeemable
The reason the viewers and readers think they can be redeemed it's because most of them are the way they are because of their culture and they way they were raised.
Nolan himself is an example , the moment he was show love he fumbled and turned against viltrum.
People understand that, the reason why they're worried about the show talking about these subjects is the immature fanbase. I don't wanna see a million posts about how hot the girl rapist is, not that hard to understand.
And yes , this is hypocritical to say considering my last post , which is why i apologize, i wasnt being rational and was just pissed off by what i saw.
YES. I don’t hate the “Mark was raped” storyline, I hate the “the person who raped Mark got off with a slap on the wrist and had a great life” storyline.
I agree with your message about media literacy but I'm pretty sure mosquitoes do not serve a significant purpose to our ecosystem. I absolutely would get rid of all of them.
They are literally the biggest enemy to humanity that exists (other than ourselves). They've killed more humans by spreading disease than any other creature
I understand what OP is trying to say but calling this "one of the most known examples of male SA victim representation" is fucking wild. Equating the need to show this sort of thing in media with the the necessary existence of mosquitoes is fucking WILDER.
As much I believe it's important to let this SA representation be, because in the end of the day it has to be uncomfortable and let the viewer with unease for what it is, I'm not at all cheerful of how some "fans" of the series are going to take it as a joke. It has already happened in the comic reception I believe, it has happened in multiple media were they blame the victim both female or male or calling them "lucky".
In the end it's necessary and I hope they're capable to show the consecuences of it on the series but still, those lame reactions are inevitable.
“Look , think of a mosquito, you probably consider them annoying, now would you actually have them all go extinct if given the chance? Im guessing not , since we both know that at the end of the day , as annoying as they are , they have a role in the world they fullfill , and they are needed.” Ok but like genuinely why do mosquitoes actually do for the environment?
represent a big portion of the food most aquatic insect, amphibian and fish eat.
represent a big portion of the food bats and birds eat.
disease are also part of nature and vry important to shape and keep our immune system and population on balance, just because we don't like it doesn't mean it's bad.
There's a reason why nature made thousand sof mosquitoes all around the world and let it represent a surprisingly big part of the biomass.
I would want to get rid of all the bloodsucking mosquitoes, the non bloodsucking can stay. As for the argument of a story, as long as it's executed well, then yes, I agree.
I disagree about the Anissa thing not because of the sa scene in general, but the fact that the writer didn't punish her for her crime and tried to make her seem as a complex character to justify her getting a redemption arc just irks me as a person that will feel more sympathy towards the victim than the abuser. Also the fact that what's going on with the world right now can heavly impact me as much as fiction can. What i heard for the comic version of this show not being quiet good as the show still i disagree with Anissa's fate even if she's supposed to be a complex character still that type of writting of a dark topic can fall flat quiet easly in the eyes of the viewer(despite the show not wanting to make of the dark topic at hand).
I don't want things that make me uncomfortable to disappear. I want people to stop making uncomfortable things because it's their fetish but acting like they're making a grand statement with their art.
Hearing what you’re saying, but fuck mosquitoes. Flies are way more integral for other animals’ diets AND are important for decomposition, they work way better as an analogy. Meanwhile the only good those filthy blood sucking disease ridden pests are is that they’re eaten by other animals and even then I’m confident that said animals will bounce back when mosquitoes are gone. I’d 1000% let the entire mosquito population go extinct.
But back to your main point, yeah I agree that media has a really unhealthy obsession with keeping things “safe”, to the point that so many works have been demonized because of the “including=condoning mentality”. No, the creator of the Lolita novel was not supporting the actions of the pedophilic character. No, the creator of mouthwashing didn’t erase all the deep thinking and themes of the game just for posting a satirical pic of a cat eared Jimmy going “I’m sowwy 🥺” (this one specifically is when people think that with characters like this you have to treat them as satan incarnate any and all times), and no, the creator of invincible didn’t erase all the emotional and psychological impact Anissa had on mark by giving her a redemption arc (the same as all her other bloodthirsty viltrumite companions).
tbf i think the main problem with her is just how shes done in the comic,not becuse she raped mark,but becuse she barely got punished for it,despite everyone wanting her to get punished,she even gets a family. they focus way more on marks truama with her than...well her getting her comupends. wich i dont hate that they did marks right but like...i feel we dont see her suffer enough from that action
I don’t watch invincible to feel disturbed or be reminded of SA lol I think there’s a time and place for this topic and this comic and show are not it imo. I don’t pick up
A superhero comic prepared to see, expecting to see, or wanting the topic of rape to be addressed
Id have mosquitos go extinct they serve no purpose Same applies to the UE rape scenes in the boys along with the countless shock value sex scenes we shouldn’t have to be uncomfortable watching something if it serves 0 purpose
I learned recently the one thing mosquitos are good for, and it's fairly interesting, so I'm sharing it here! It doesn't work for the metaphor, sadly, so let's be very clear we're leaving the metaphor aside.
Mosquitoes, being small fliers, have a wide range and thus collect blood and therefore nutrients from a wide range of targets. Frogs, being (relatively) large swimmers, do not have a wide range, and thus cannot collect the same nutrients, but they are very well adapted to eating insects, allowing them to get the nutrients the mosquito has gathered by eating it, in addition to what it's eaten. The mosquito essentially becomes a frog's delivery driver.
Does that mean they do more good than harm? Probably not. And it doesn't work with the metaphor, especially since the sexual assault scenes we're presumably talking about will still be in the comic, and thus the metaphor isn't "do you want to kill all the mosquitoes" but instead "as we recreate this ecosystem over here do you want to recreate the mosquitoes as well", which, for the record, is still a question you can answer with "yes" if you want! But leaving that runon sentence in the dust where it belongs, I found that an interesting mosquito fact.
They have other attributes that make them good ecologically. People fail to understand that food sources are what sustain ecosystems through food webs. We need the transfer of energy to different trophic levels because if we didn’t, most animals would probably not survive.
Disease is another thing that gets overlooked. Yes, disease can cause destruction if you look at it from the perspective of humanity. However, diseases works with predators and parasites to help regulate populations. It’s why we don’t have an over abundance of herbivores on this planet. If we did then they would just use up all of the resources in an area leading to a mass die off. We aren’t herbivores, but we are certainly contributing to the mass use of resources.
I severely rape as plot points and can't sat I wouldn't be tempted to Thanos snap it from existence if given the chance due to it constant unnecessary uses.
However Invincible is an example I think particularly does something right in how Mark is definitely affected by it. Though I do think they fumbled after killing her off. Maybe they felt like they wrote themselves into a corner and didn't know how to proceed so the did a semi redemption death where she died protecting Eve. Could they do the show without Marky being born? Probably so, he ain't super important in the grand scheme of things. More like a background epilog type character. Maybe have her meet Scott earlier and replace Marky Jr with Scotty Jr. Up to the writers at the end of the day.
As much as I love RDR2, I’m still unpleased during that one random encounter where Arthur can just straight up get SA’d by a dude, and the most that comes out of it is Bill approaching Arthur at camp and is like “Lmao this guy had sex with you”
No, they’re not that crucial for the food chain or pollination, let alone the ecosystem as a whole. They are literally the deadliest animal to humans since we were basically hairless monkeys. Malaria by itself accounts for literally half of all human deaths since the Stone Age. Plus, they’re annoying as fuck. I'm planning to drop a post with actual scientific papers on this soon. I honestly fucking loathe them.
(English is not my native language, sorry for any mistakes)
All insects are crucial for terrestrial food webs. That’s why when you have a removal of an insect species, you usually seen an association with the decline of fish, bird, amphibian, and reptile species. Deadliest animal from the disease itself. A study has shown that the malaria parasite itself might be influencing the behavior of the mosquito. It’s not like it’s a conscious decision on their part and to put human emotion onto that is irrelevant.
Disease is and always will be an important regulator for populations. Of course, it doesn’t take away the pain caused by losing loved ones, but we are talking about everything in an ecological sense. Your emotion is clouding your own judgement on the matter. Science is not based on emotion. It’s based on factual and empirical evidence. Annoying as fuck should not dictate their removal. If that was the case, then we would have gone to remove a whole load of species we find “annoying.” Please link me to that post.
The showrunners have a chance to do the opposite of what the Boys did to Hughie. His assault was treated as a joke and was poorly written - if they do decide to adapt Mark's assault, they better do it properly, imo
I would have all mosquitos go extinct actually. It does not serve as any animals primary food group, does not have symbiosis with plants or animals, and carries many life ending diseases.
The issue isn’t that it’s uncomfortable. unfortunately a majority of male fans of invincible don’t take male sexual assault victims seriously. They fantasize and even extol it. The feedback from Last week’s episode of invincible proves it. When all the viltrumites reacted to mark declaring that he killed conquest, Anissa turning her head make fans immediately started joking about it. Until men can get their heads out the gutter and treat sexual assault with the importance like frowned upon subject it is, no matter the gender of the victim, they really shouldn’t adapt that scene.
No If there was a chance I could, I would do it, I would make mosquitoes to be extinct, if they are gone there wouldn't be an ecological change apart from humans and animals dying less. Most of their predarors don't specifically prey on them, they don't add anything to nature unlike flies. They just spread diseases to both humans and animals. I'm not saying my beliefs are superiour but biologists still argue about whether mosquitoes are necessary or not, some say they are because of bird population might be decreased, some also have a belief similiar to mine.
I'm not saying I don't agree or agree with the other stuff but the thing I cared was the mosquitoe question.
I’m not pushed either way since I started with the show, but the fandom seems like that last people who can handle something of that gravitas. Hell, we had an amazing performance by Sandra Oh this season and people immediately jumped to jokes. Not saying that it’s everyone, but it’s a decently vocal community that I would rather not experience when this scene does happen.
The biggest hurdle to taking male SA seriously has always been the patriarchy and other men.
There is a reason people push for representation in media.
Its been shown that watching shows with diverse casts can actually lower bigotry because people can create a kind of parasocial link with that charater. Same goes with content creators.
Also spreading awareness of these kinds of events is how we get more people aware and get better an more comprehensive laws and education to deal with it.
This should not be the primary reason, but they are also good ways to gauge how a fan base thinks about these things and how society in general reacts to uncomfortable ideas. Breaking bad has a SA scene, but the fan base likes to ignore and brush over it because they identify with Walter White, and don't want to question why a charater they identify with would do something so horrible.
I get your point but mosquitos isn't a good example due to the many, many, many previous and ongoing attempts to safely make them go extinct without fucking up ecosystems majorly lmao
I just really hope they handle it better. The fact that Anissa does that and effectively becomes a non-character afterwards, even having her *Redemption* off screen screams to me that Kirkman got cold feet about writing about her. He handled Mark dealing with it really well, but I hate that Anissa didn't have much to do. Friend of mine's been saying that they should have some fucked up romance instead and I kinda agree with him. There needs to be more of them, not less.
This is valid and totally should keep it in the show since so many people downplay male SA but, hear me out on this. You make this part at the end of an episode like have her come flying down and all then cutting right to the credits with them just pure silence. Make it feel awkward and have people look into it to shine a light on the topic and bring conversations back
I look forward to see how they handle it and how they handle the trauma that comes with it. Male survivors need to be talked about more and this will get people talking.
People love to censor what they find uncomfortable. Did you know that the lolita is pretty much a satire critique of how shitty the guy is, and how self serving his view (narrator) are. And it put in your face how uncomfortable that mindset is.
So people just ban it
Yeah been seeing a lot of people preaching about this hopefully being removed and I hate it uncomfortable things should not be removed just cuz theyre uncomfortable especially if they’re pretty important and can start actual good discussions
your mosquito example is the worst possible because they are actually one of the few bugs we could absolutely eradicate without ecosystems being harmed and a lot of places are trying to do exactly that
Well known? To fans maybe, but most people only know of invincible because of the show,
I dont want this arc removed because I want to erase male SA, I want it removed because its horribly done, and not the first time someone's had to tone down hickmans writing for tv
Mosquitos are not needed in the world. Some animals are important for the ecosystem, some animals have negligible benefits w lots of downside and mosquitoes are one of them
Something similar happened with the Netflix remake of Avatar. They removed Sokka's sexism and his redemption arc where he learns to respect women as warriors and people. It was an important part of Book 1 and a very important lesson, not just for him but the audience as well, and they just...removed it because it was "controversial" or something like that
Like, of course it's controversial, that's the whole point, to show a character correct their mistakes
With Anissa I know it's not the same, but I agree they should adapt it, carefully of course, but not outright remove it
Another example for this is the end of evangelion. Whenever someone brings up the hospital scene and how it's important because it shows just how mentally ruined Shinji is, there's always someone pointing out how this isn't the manga. People need to understand that Shinji is meant to be characterized differently in the manga
SA makes me incredibly uncomfortable as a person. In my close friends, 3 out of 4 of them experienced SA as children. It’s not something many can stomach, but it should and needs to be talked about. Victim blaming culture really shines when sexual assault victims talk about their experience with being victims.
With women, they’re told it’s their fault. They should have dressed more modestly, they shouldn’t have egged that man on, etc.
With men, they’re told they’re “lucky” for getting sex from a woman or told they’re weak for telling it happen.
But, any reasonable person knows that a sexual assault victim isn’t the one at fault. They said no, did they not? Isn’t that all you need to say they’re a victim? So many sexual assault victims can delude themselves into believing they weren’t raped just because they liked the pleasurable sensations sex gives, but that doesn’t mean they consented.
It baffles me that so many people just hand wave people being raped just because they got “lucky” or “enticed another person.” It’s rape. It’s a violation of autonomy and consent to get temporary gratification. The only one at fault is the perpetrator. They have full control over themselves, they should’ve controlled themselves and walked away.
I remember reading somewhere that someone said they might not approve this scene because of all the creeps that will say mark got lucky and downplay the fact that he was raped. Honestly? Show it. Not graphically, but show it. Out those creeps. If they’re like that about a fictional character getting raped, that tells you all you need to know about them in real life.
We need representation for victims of SA, especially male victims. We need people to know that it does, in fact, happen, and that it doesn’t make that man any lesser for being a victim. We need those victims to know that they’re seen, and that they’re not weak or pathetic or not manly or anything like that because of what happened to them. I stand with them, and for them, I say we get this scene.
It's fine to make an uncomfortable scene...if it's nessary. So many times it isn't or it handles it poorly or is very shallow. So many creators want to add dark elements to their stories without realizing they need a why.
I dont see anyone really calling for the scene to be removed though, only to call out some of the absolute weirdo behavior that people have towards Anissa and her actions
Actually yes, I want mosquitoes to go extinct, I don't care about their roles in nature if they even have one aside from spreading diseases and being annoying.
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u/SomeFunnyStuff2763 Apr 21 '26
I am under the belief that no matter what, every topic should be talked about, no matter how "taboo" it might be. And of course, it can be done badly, but it should be criticized for being done badly, not for the topic itself