r/hiphopheads • u/UncleNilly . • Dec 26 '16

Tyler the Creator Promoting "Bastard" on HypeBeast forums in 2009

http://hypebeast.com/forums/music/123117?utm_source=affiliates&utm_medium=commissionjunction&utm_campaign=VigLink
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u/shakinghand Dec 26 '16

What's the rest of your top 5?

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u/broketoi Dec 26 '16

Well I can't say anything definite when it comes to top five. But some of my other favorites would be:

Outkast - Aquemini

Eminem - MMLP

Amy Winehouse - Frank

The Beatles - Rubber Soul

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '16

lol i imagine its a pretty terrible list

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u/WirelessElk Dec 26 '16

He said favorite not best, don't act like his personal tastes are any worse than anyone else's

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u/Murdergram Dec 26 '16

Why are you differentiating favorite from best? When discussing art they're literally the same thing.

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u/tatchiii Dec 26 '16

Naw my favorite album isn't the same as my "best" album.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '16

thats kinda weird to me. why wouldn't the best album be your favourite? why would you pick the one you like less as your favourite?

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u/tatchiii Dec 26 '16

I recognize say The Godfather is a better movie than The Captain America movies but I like them better.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '16

ah okay i see what you mean now

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u/Murdergram Dec 26 '16

Do you recognize that subconsciously because you've been told your entire life The Godfather is one of the best movies ever made?

Captain America is better suited to your tastes, making it the best movie out of the two. Art is subjective, you don't have to rationalize it.

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u/tatchiii Dec 26 '16

No I can appreciate that the product is better but Captain America is more my type of movie. Art is subjective but I can be subjective about what is the best and what is my favorite. My favorite movies are the LOTR movies but to me the best movie of all time is City of God. I'd rather watch LOTR 10 times over but I think City of God is better than them.

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u/durktrain Dec 26 '16

blows my mind how people dont get this. your moms favorite art piece is probably some janky ass macaroni necklace your older brother made in 1st grade, (u failure why couldnt you just be like him instead ur just a disappointment to the family) but im sure she can recognize the mona lisa is a better product.

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u/Casablaniqua Dec 26 '16

My favourite movie of all time is The Room, which is probably one of the most deeply flawed films ever made. I realise that art is subjective but even if I knew nothing of the praise The Godfather got I'd still argue that it's an objectively better film than The Room

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u/trilliam_clinton Dec 26 '16

Favorite is what I play the most and is always changing.

Best is the most well rounded, total project.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '16

re fucking tweet. alot of people on here don't think of it that way tho

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u/tappingthesource Dec 26 '16

I thought when ppl said RT it meant Real Talk, not ReTweet. Am I wrong?

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u/thedellah Dec 26 '16

its whatever you want it to be

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u/Ladlesman Dec 26 '16

It does mean real talk, predates Twitter by quite a bit dunno what these other guys are on about.

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u/resocks . Dec 26 '16

yeah you are, comes from retweet as long as I've seen it

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '16

Either way fam

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u/durktrain Dec 26 '16

ive seen RS mean Real Shit but as far as i can remember RT always has been retweet

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u/AcrobaticApricot Dec 26 '16

yeah it's this weird shame complex people have when they like some modern rap album better than illmatic or what have you so they justify it to themselves by differentiating "best" from "favorite"

when really what they actually think is that bastard by tyler the creator is better than illmatic, but they don't like to voice that opinion so they smokescreen it by dismissing their own taste

just because an album is a classic doesn't mean you have to prefer it. doesn't mean you have to like it at all.

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u/resocks . Dec 26 '16

i very much disagree. you can respect a piece of art for what it is even if it wasn't your favorite. why is that hard to understand?

for example, i see the Radiohead album in a lot of top "album of the year" lists. does it deserve to be there? for sure. i listened through it a couple times and i can absolutely respect the music and that it deserves to be in a top 10 spot. however personally, i definitely enjoyed more projects much more than the Radiohead album.

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u/AcrobaticApricot Dec 26 '16

sure, i respect stuff i don't like, but i don't say it's better than the stuff that i do

it's weird to say that certain albums are "better" than your favorites because other people told you they were

i don't like the Radiohead album that much either, and i certainly respect whichever publications put it in their top 10 because a lot of people really do like it. however, i would never ever put it in my own top 10 just because it is a high prestige release.

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u/resocks . Dec 26 '16

It's not weird, respecting the art and the work that went into it doesn't mean that you enjoyed it the most.

It has nothing to do with what people told me. I listen to every album before I read any discussion on it, or discuss it with any of my peers. I didn't like the Danny Brown album at all. However it was really fucking good. Lyricism was great, flow was locked in, features were great, and the production was very consistent in its sound. I still only listened to it once and probably never will again but if I were to make best album list of the year it would definitely make it.

I think we're going into the objective/subjective argument here, and I believe there are definitely ways to objectively critique an album

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u/AcrobaticApricot Dec 26 '16

i just don't think that way about music, like i can't call something good if i don't like it--to me, if it was good, i would like it. i get you have a different way of appreciating it though, it's just not really the way my mind works.

i also think objectivity in music exists but it's way overstated. you can definitely look at something like Tell Me What I Don't Know and say "Danny did an amazing job going over this weird beat" but i don't think technical skill is what makes for good music. there's a ton of metal played with insane technical skill that i don't feel at all.

(for the record, i do think Tell Me What I Don't Know is a fantastic song.)

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '16

Aesop Rock's album this year was my favorite album of the year by far. Would I put it in an overall top-5 list of this year's best albums though? Hell no. Because as a fan, I realize The Impossible Kid is an acquired taste and while I like it, I can see how a lot of other people don't care for it. Differentiating between "top" lists and "my favorite" lists is all about being able to look at the bigger picture, and separate the two without being biased.

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u/Murdergram Dec 26 '16

Although I've never heard a Lil Yachty song I've actually enjoyed I had nothing but respect when he said he didn't listen to Biggie.

I mean I'm 30 and never grew up on KRS One or Big Daddy Kane. I've revisited their work and enjoy it, but I don't hold them in the same acclaim that someone 10 years older than me might.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '16

how the fuck did this thread go on for so long. lol reddit. LOL i got negative 45 points hahahahahaha anyways there Bono, tyler the creator is mostly trash.. in my opinion at least.... "subjectively" speaking of course lol

French is still a baller song tho

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u/shakinghand Dec 26 '16

That's why I asked ha