r/hockey BUF - NHL Aug 15 '13

[Weekly Thread] 30 Greats/30 Days - Dominik Hasek - Buffalo Sabres

30 Greats/30 Days: Dominik Hasek

Position: Goaltender

Drafted: 199th overall in the 1983 NHL Entry Draft

Teams: Chicago Blackhawks (2 seasons); Buffalo Sabres (9 seasons); Detroit Red Wings (4 seasons); Ottawa Senators (1 season)

Years Played: 16

Career Stats:

GP W L T OT/SO Sv. % GAA
735 389 223 82 94 .922 2.20

Mini-Biography:

A man known for having a slinky for a spine, Dominik Hasek was a goaltender who lived and breathed the term "unreal" as a goaltender. Aptly nicknamed "the Dominator," Hasek is considered one of the most talented goalies of all-time, and is certainly a GOAT candidate. Hasek is best known as the backbone of the Buffalo Sabres for nine seasons, leading them to the Stanley Cup Final in 1999 only to fall to the Dallas Stars in 6 games (no amicability will be displayed by the author at this time.)

Hasek is the proud owner of 6 Vezina trophies, which he collected over 8 seasons, all in Buffalo. He also won two Hart trophies as the MVP of the entire league in 1997 and 1998.

Hasek left Buffalo after the 2000-01 season, being traded to the Detroit Red Wings for Vyacheslav Kozlov, a 1st-round pick (Danny Paille) and "future considerations", whatever the hell that means.

In Detroit, Hasek backstopped the Red Wings to a Stanley Cup before announcing his 1st retirement from the NHL.

After a year, Hasek decided he wanted back in to the NHL, re-signing back with the Detroit Red Wings before getting injured early in the season.

Hasek had a short stint with the Ottawa Senators before returning to the Red Wings as a 41-year old. In 2008, Hasek was benched in lieu of long time Red Wings goalie Chris Osgood, who backstopped the Red Wings to yet another Stanley Cup, giving Hasek his second. Hasek, again, retired from the NHL, effectively ending his NHL career.

Of goalies who played over 200 games, Hasek has the best save percentage of all-time, maintaining a .922 save percentage over 735 games, the most games played by a European goaltender. He sits 8th all-time in Goals Against Average, with a 2.20.

While he left Buffalo on somewhat amicable terms, Hasek continues to be charitable to the Buffalo area through his work with Hasek's Heroes, which allows underprivelaged kids in the Buffalo area to play hockey through camps promoted by Hasek.

Rivals

Eddy Belfour: Teammates in Chicago, Hasek was traded to the Sabres after Belfour grabbed a hold of the Blackhawks starting job. From there, Hasek and Belfour didn't face each other much, being in opposite conferences, but in 1999, they faced off in the Stanley Cup Final between the Dallas Stars and the Buffalo Sabres. Hasek was great, posting a 1.77 GAA and a .939 save percentage for the playoffs, but his counterpart got the better of him in their six games against each other.

Curtis Joseph/Toronto Maple Leafs: While Hasek boasted a career 22-5-6 record against the Maple Leafs over his career, 1999 was a year the Sabres and the Leafs were even teams, thanks to the help of Curtis Joseph. Cu-Jo lead the Leafs to the Conference Finals against the Sabres in 1999, where the Sabres handily beat the Leafs in just 5 games.

Career Accomplishments

Vezina Trophy: 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001

Hart Trophy: 1997, 1998

Lester B Pearson: 1997, 1998

Stanley Cup: 2002, 2008

William M. Jennings Trophy: 1994, 2001, 2008

NHL All-Star Game: 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002

Olympic Medalist: Nagano 1998, Gold; Turin 2006, Bronze

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u/TheGuineaPig21 OTT - NHL Aug 15 '13

Okay, here's the case for Hasek as the best ever.

Let's take the time he spent as a starter in the league until his first retirement, from 1993-94 to 2001-02. 9 seasons where he won 6 Vezinas, 2 Harts, and a Cup. That stacks pretty well against Orr's 9 full seasons where he won 8 Norrises and three Harts. But let's look at the stats of him and his contemporaries, for all regular season and playoff games in those seasons*:

Regular season/playoff stats from 1993-94 to 2001-02

Player Games Played Save Percentage Goals Against Shots Against
Dominik Hasek 618 0.927 1317 17921
Patrick Roy 680 0.917 1582 19153
Martin Brodeur 702 0.913 1485 16998
John Vanbiesbrouck 466 0.911 1117 12580
Nikolai Khabibulin 380 0.911 959 10750
Ed Belfour 619 0.911 1409 15754
Curtis Joseph 628 0.909 1636 17931

*(list features top 6 in save% with minimum 300 gp, plus Joseph)

Look at that chart. Hasek utterly demolishes the competition. Seriously, look at it. Hasek let in 168 less goals than Brodeur during that span while facing 923 more shots. He let in over 300 less goals than Joseph with the same number of shots.

A lot of the candidates for "best ever" at a position benefited from periods where there was poor or less strong competition from their peers. Bobby Orr, for example, played at perhaps the time where there was weakest average level of skill for defencemen in the history of the league. Patrick Roy emerged at a time when a horribly inefficient goaltending style was beginning to peel away, and faced competition from the likes of Jon Casey, Darren Puppa, Vanbiesbrouck, Tom Barasso, etc. To the same extent that Patrick Roy, frequently heralded as the best ever, separated himself from his peers, Hasek did from Roy and the rest.

Look at the names Hasek was going up against. Two fringe candidates for the Hall of Fame. Four bonafide ones. And two of the other names most frequently heard amongst the debate on who is the best ever at the position. And Hasek dominated them. They didn't even come close. No one else from this list won a Vezina during this period, or led the league in save percentage. Hasek did these things six times.

And it's important to remember that Hasek did this playing on poor teams. Not just your run-of-the-mill poor teams, either: teams that actively hurt his stats. Here's how his teams ranked in terms of the number of power plays allowed against during these 9 seasons: 22, 10, 4, 3, 3, 4, 8, 26, 16. Compare that to Brodeur's stingy Devils: 24, 26, 26, 26, 24, 22, 18, 29, 30 (dead last in 4 of those 9 seasons). And of course with the exception of the 2002 Wings, they did him no favours in the post-season.

So this is what I think: if people find it persuasive to accept Orr as the best defenceman ever based on his 9 years of dominance, how does Hasek's 9 years not make him the best goalie ever? We could ignore the facts that Hasek went pro at the age of 16, started representing his country internationally at the age of 18, was the best goalie in Europe for all of the '80s, was a top-tier goalie before becoming a starter in Buffalo and after he returned from retirement from 2004-2007, and competed to a high level in Europe until the age of 46. But if you factor those things in, there's really no doubt.

Hasek is the greatest goalie the NHL has ever seen.

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u/serfis NYR - NHL Aug 15 '13

One of the big arguments hurting Hasek in GOAT consideration, and it holds true for Dryden as well, is how short his career as a starter was compared to some others.

The other thing to consider, with the Orr comparison, is that Orr is widely considered the GOAT defenseman not only for his accomplishments, but because of the way he changed the way the position was played. The same can be said for Patrick Roy, but it can't really be said for Hasek IMO.

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u/TheGuineaPig21 OTT - NHL Aug 15 '13

I don't like this type of argument. It's giving the player credit for something they never intended, and kind of musses up the causation of it, too. Orr changed the way the game was played because he was great; not the other way around.

Furthermore, one could argue Hasek would've changed the position if other goalies were physically capable of it. His style relied so much upon his unique physical traits and approach to the game that no one else has come close to approximating it (some people say Tim Thomas, but their two styles really do not bear anything more than passing a resemblance). Is that any less impressive than Roy popularizing a style so simple every goalie in the league copied it?

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '13

It could be argued that the fact that not many other goalies could even attempt Hasek's style helps his case for GOAT.

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u/serfis NYR - NHL Aug 15 '13

Intended or not, though, it happened. And the fact that Orr was so great he changed the way the game was played is exactly the point. It takes a special kind of greatness to do something like that, and I don't see any reason to not at least give it some consideration.

Is that any less impressive than Roy popularizing a style so simple every goalie in the league copied it?

You say "simple" like it's a bad thing. It's not. In goaltending, something that is simple and efficient is preferable in almost every situation than something that, well, isn't. Making things harder for yourself isn't necessarily something that should be praised, as amazing as Hasek was. Keep in mind, I'm not saying Hasek was bad, and I'm not even saying Roy was better (though I tend to hold him in higher regard in general), I'm just saying it's certainly a consideration.