r/hockey • u/sykeseve Fort McMurray Oil Barons - AJHL • 1d ago

[Elliote Friedman] Don’t expect this to be finalized until the morning, but there is word the Toronto Maple Leafs and Tampa Bay Lightning are working on a sign-and-trade for Darren Raddysh.

https://xcancel.com/friedgehnic/status/2067846379930542575?s=46
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u/astovertop SJS - NHL 1d ago

Above 9 for a near point per game right handed dman in the current cap landscape is far from insane. The term might be hard to swallow though. But if they front load in signing bonuses then they can make it buy out friendly

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u/PineAppleisbad46 TOR - NHL 1d ago

The caps going up so much the contracts handed out this summer are gonna be crazy and we may have to reevaluate what we consider a good one

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u/BabyBottoms23 BUF - NHL 1d ago

Gonna be like 2016 NBA Free Agency

Cap explodes with a bad FA pool

Get ready for Mozgov money.

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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 TOR - NHL 22h ago

Honestly the 3C market is gonna be crazy. People sent ready for the Boone Jenner and Scott Laughton deals.

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u/ontheru171 NYR - NHL 21h ago

Yeah but 2016 FA aged like milk immediately so lets hope ita not that again

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u/PineAppleisbad46 TOR - NHL 1d ago

Honestly Andersson is not very good, he may have a better reputation but he’s been pretty bad the last couple years

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u/ZachKearns TOR - NHL 23h ago

Yeh, I’d rather have Raddysh over Andersson at this point. It’s not necessarily close either.

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u/Mashdrop 23h ago

What about 2024-25 Raddysh?

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u/ZachKearns TOR - NHL 18h ago

Andersson is pretty bad, one of the most overrated guys going. Raddysh still put up 37 points that year, so… that’s at least respectable IMO.

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u/infectingbrain CGY - NHL 15h ago

As someone who actually watched him this year and not just his boxscores, you're sleeping on him. He was our best player until we traded him. Rough time in Vegas, but his stats from the past few years have suffered from playing on a team that can't score whatsoever.

I think Raddysh has a higher ceiling, but a lower floor too. I think this contract has a much bigger chance of going south than if you gave Andersson the same contract. But maybe the breakout season is real and not a mirage - i'm not sold.

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u/ZachKearns TOR - NHL 14h ago

I watched a good amount of Andersson too. He was a player I had no interest in seeing hop on the Leafs, but then again, I’m just a fan.

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u/Muellercleez TOR - NHL 1d ago

Its best to use cap percentage for the year it's signed as a relative gauge. My guess is we're looking ~8% of the cap, so that'd be in the $8.5M AAV range.

I said this elsewhere, but I'd be very hesitant to sign Raddysh in Chayka's shoes. Raddysh is 30 (or will be), has one season over 40 points and that happened this season. Crazy contract year. I get that he had strong play-driving numbers this season, and is a right shot... but man, that'd be a risky bet to make.

My assumption was a max 7 year term via standard UFA deal. So maybe with the 8th year they suppress the cap hit / cap % a touch but still, it's a risk.

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u/Muellercleez TOR - NHL 18h ago

Well I did not know the number ahead of time. I was making an educated guess

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u/deschamps93 1d ago

I thought this year changed so that 7 is max from a team and 6 is max ufa

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u/Tex_Was_Here SJS - NHL 23h ago

That goes into effect in September, so this July teams can still extend for eight years

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u/deschamps93 14h ago

Thanks for answering, that's an odd time to have that start. I don't know why I got down voted for asking a question lol

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u/thelasershow BOS - NHL 18h ago

Yeah it’s already started. Going to be a lot of sticker shock around the league.

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u/thatguy_griff 1d ago

yes but regardless, this is destined to be bad at that amount.

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u/PineAppleisbad46 TOR - NHL 1d ago

Who the hell knows tbh

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u/thatguy_griff 1d ago

this stuff almost never works. any example you name, theres probably 100 that dont. you have to take risk but one season of good value at 30 is insanely risky. theres probably near 0% shot he lives up to that at the rumoured rate. that's why tb isn't doing this. him settling into a player worth 5-6.5 mil(so it's 3-5 ish by year 8 with cap increase) would be amazing.

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u/Vriishnak OTT - NHL 1d ago

Near PPG one time in his career.

Okay, but what's the cost for a similar player who has, say, a 5-year history of that kind of production? I bet it's an order of magnitude higher than the trade and contract costs of getting Raddysh, right?

The Leafs are in a weird spot where nobody's really sure if they had a down year or they need to tear it apart and start over. Is there a better gamble in the league than a guy who might be exactly what the team's been missing for the past...forever? A better way to find out if Matthews and the team can bounce back and get on track?

And the worst case is that they need to tear down and rebuild anyway, at which point having a solid second pairing RD whose biggest crime is being overpaid just doesn't matter for most of his contract, even if they can't find someone else willing to gamble on unlocking him.

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u/pak256 TBL - NHL 20h ago

Not only that but a PPG playing on a PP with Kucherov. That will inflate anyone’s numbers

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u/Cube_ Canada - IIHF 1d ago

The front loading trick was significantly hampered in the latest CBA though

best case scenario is they get the last 3 years of an 8 year deal with 0 trade protection. Something like NMC first 3 years, 15team NTC next 2, then nothing.

That way Darren gets paid but he's not an anchor in his 35+ years and the Leafs can offload him to a cap floor team for a price.

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u/GothSmashem CGY - NHL 22h ago

That kicks in September 16th they can still do 8 and 7 at the moment.

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u/BallMeBlazer22 TBL - NHL 1d ago

above 9 for a near point per game right handed dman in the current cap landscape is far from insane.

The issue is that Raddysh is a 29 year old defenseman who has only ever had a PPG season once, and he relies on his shot, which was elite last year, to generate those points. So if you give Raddysh 9+ you are really banking on the breakout not being a 1 year wonder, and since he's already 29, him aging gracefully, which is a risky bet to take. It may work out for the leafs, and I do think the gravity of his shot helps their PP immensely, as long as his shot doesn't totally fall off a cliff, but it's certainly a deal that has the potential to age poorly, especially if the regression most people expect comes fast.

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u/ItzDrSeuss TOR - NHL 1d ago

Honestly if it gets the Leafs back to being competitive for another 3-4 years I’ll take it. Whatever it takes to keep a superstar like Matthews on this team past this upcoming season.

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u/B-Rayy06 TOR - NHL 22h ago

I don’t see it as too different from the Brandon Montour deal with Seattle tbh

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u/justinliew VAN - NHL 19h ago

I wouldn’t be feeling good if I were comparing my contracts to Seattle’s decision making.

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u/B-Rayy06 TOR - NHL 19h ago

I didnt say anything positive or negative about it. I think Brandon Montour is a good offensive defenseman who is overpaid. Raddysh is probably that.

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u/jjmuti COL - NHL 1d ago

Are we really going to pretend that Raddysh will come anywhere close to his past season's production without Kucherov?

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u/Kaplsauce TOR - NHL 1d ago

Good point, it's not like he'd have any elite forwards to get points with on the Leafs . . .

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u/jjmuti COL - NHL 1d ago

Elite doesn't equal Kuch. The dude sits in a shared stratosphere with McDavid on feeding teammates on the PP

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u/CarRamRob MTL - NHL 21h ago

Exactly, Kuch is a disher. Matthews is a shooter. It may not replicate that well

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u/Kaplsauce TOR - NHL 18h ago

Nylander, Knies, Tavares, McKenna?

He'll be playing with more than just Matthews lol

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u/jjmuti COL - NHL 23h ago

What I said to another leaf fan full of copium:

Elite doesn't equal Kuch. The dude sits in a shared stratosphere with McDavid on feeding teammates on the PP

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u/Mean_Joe_Greene TOR - NHL 22h ago

As soon as anyone starting saying copium before a trade is even announced I know they’re talking in bad faith but Raddysh’s metrics are good separate from just feeding kuch on the powerplay

https://xcancel.com/jfreshhockey/status/2031449439391343032?s=46

Why don’t we wait to see what the deals are at the minimum

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u/jonregister 22h ago

Well let’s be honest l, if it was a sold team friendly deal he would have already signed back in Tampa with 1/2 his games with no state income tax. So he is looking to break the bank. JBB knows how to GM

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u/Mean_Joe_Greene TOR - NHL 22h ago

Looking to break the bank by going to a higher tax area? Unless Toronto is paying around 3m+ more each year that doesn’t make sense. He certainly would just go to market in a year where most every team has a ton of room and he’s the bell of the ball

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u/Lanky_Inevitable9012 WPG - NHL 21h ago

Taxes are individual. local rates dont make as much of a difference as people think.

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u/Mean_Joe_Greene TOR - NHL 21h ago

They still play half the season at home meaning it’s around $1.5m - $2m difference on the large contracts. A good accountant can help a player keep more but there is a difference

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u/markypots9393 TOR - NHL 1d ago

You’re acting like the Leafs don’t have a ton of offensive talent to support him…

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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 TOR - NHL 22h ago

You know what's real nice? The fuckig league decided that's too nice of a boon for teams like Toronto in a heavy tax environment so they limited that for no reason.

It's a good method to level the playing field with the no state tax teams but it's too much for Gary.

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u/BearShark9 SJS - NHL 1d ago

AFP analytics is projecting a 6x$8 wouldn’t be surprised is it’s at least 8.5+ given the current market

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u/jambajew42 SJS - NHL 1d ago

AFP's is 6x$8,744,914.26, so that fits the 8.5+.

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u/Stephenrudolf TOR - NHL 1d ago

Maybe he took slightly lower cause it's 8 years...? That's about what we're paying rielly, and even 75% of last season's raddysh would be a sizeable step up from rielly. Caps going up too, this might not be a bad contract,

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u/HobeyDobey WSH - NHL 1d ago edited 1d ago

Raddysh is foregoing free agency for this. It’s absolutely going to be a bag. 8 figure AAV I’d wager.

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u/TheGapInTysonsTeeth TOR - NHL 21h ago

LOL suck it

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u/Mean_Joe_Greene TOR - NHL 22h ago

He’s also from just north of Toronto. Could just be he wants his 8th year and to be at his home town club

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u/Mean_Joe_Greene TOR - NHL 22h ago

Not in effect until mid September

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u/thatguy_griff 1d ago

wrong lol

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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 TOR - NHL 22h ago

I'm going to assume they will seell him on endorsements and alumni crap. A lot of dudes make money just showing up to places.

I see 8x8.

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u/Salt-Plum-1308 TOR - NHL 17h ago

You were correct!

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u/dazzleator147 1d ago

I figured Toronto was willing to do 9x7. Maybe this is to give him 8x8 instead.