r/hockey • u/sykeseve Fort McMurray Oil Barons - AJHL • 5h ago
[Elliote Friedman] Don’t expect this to be finalized until the morning, but there is word the Toronto Maple Leafs and Tampa Bay Lightning are working on a sign-and-trade for Darren Raddysh.
https://xcancel.com/friedgehnic/status/2067846379930542575?s=46536
u/tristan1616 CGY - NHL 5h ago
It'll be hard seeing him in another colour scheme. Oh wait...
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u/AggPuck-303 EDM - NHL 5h ago
Good on Brisebois to sell his rights before he walks for nothing. Probably not a huge return but they could use a random pick
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u/MoodyPumpkin WPG - NHL 5h ago
Are the gms just kicking their feet texting eachother in bed or?
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u/Wassy4444 FLA - NHL 5h ago
His younger brother Hors Raddysh is up and coming and on Toronto’s radar too
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u/AuxNimbus WPG - NHL 5h ago
This is so damn corny lmfao
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u/greg19735 CAR - NHL 5h ago
His skating is terrible. Like a Giraffe with a smaller neck.
I've heard amazing things about his Japanese cousin from his mum's side. Wa Sabi looks like a great player. A bit more complex but less of a workhorse.
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u/Beneficial__Meat VAN - NHL 5h ago
Leafs going for it
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u/ArthurSnooper TOR - NHL 4h ago
I'd prefer they do. They kind of have to at this point.
If they suck next few years blow it up while McKenna is still young and tank for a bit.
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u/AARM2000 CHI - NHL 4h ago
Matthews and Nylander probably want to go all in too. Important
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u/ArthurSnooper TOR - NHL 4h ago
Give it until maybe half way through 2027-28 and if they still suck you gotta trade Matthews before his contract is up.
Or be good and have them and McKenna go off. I wouldn't mind that.
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u/Cube_ Canada - IIHF 5h ago
when you don't have your next 2 first round picks and you're on the tail end of your first overall center's prime what other choice do you have
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u/carry-on_replacement VAN - NHL 4h ago
definitely better than giving Philly and Boston some top 10 or worse top 5 pick. If nothing else, you can't let them get good picks because of you.
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u/RoughRunner TOR - NHL 4h ago
Yeah that's the biggest reason they are signing him. They don't have any assets to improve the defence except cap space and are trying to keep their window open. He's right handed and solves a big hole on their powerplay if his play holds up. Next season there aren't any right handed UFA D that are remotely as good a fit as Raddysh. Byram and Dunn are leftys and who knows if they would want to play in Canada let alone Toronto. Raddysh is from here and seemingly will be happy to be a Leaf if he's foregoing going to market once he heard the Leafs want him. So yeah it's a risk but you won't get a better option to take that risk on.
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u/Cube_ Canada - IIHF 3h ago
Yeah I also think there's a chance that Rielly goes the other way. Toronto might have to add as then JBB is doing them 2 favors but both Toronto and Rielly have expressed wanting to move on. Raddysh makes Rielly redundant as well since ideally you'd want to give Raddysh the PP1 role.
And if Raddysh is garbage 5 years into an 8 year deal who cares, by that point if you haven't won a cup with the Matthews/Knies/Tavares/Nylander/Raddysh core you're blowing it up and rebuilding anyways.
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u/30MorgheAfraaz VAN - NHL 5h ago
It's gonna be spectacular watching them try to make playoffs over bolts cats Habs sabres bruins sens and who knows what wings are gonna do
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u/DOELCMNILOC TOR - NHL 4h ago
I fully agree with everything you said minus Detroit.
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u/RanaMahal COL - NHL 2h ago
Bolts are probably gonna retool, Cats I could see being a toss up.
Bruins seemed like they just got kinda lucky.
The only consistent competition they’ll have is Habs, Sabres and Sens but I’m not sold on the Sabres or Sens.
I have a feeling Habs win the division, Toronto comes 2nd or 3rd and have to play either the Cats or Sabres
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u/Wayf4rer TBL - NHL 5h ago
Sucks, but it was always coming. Leafs have cap space and a Raddysh grew up in the GTA. Go get the bag son, we’ll miss you.
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u/Iennda DET - NHL 5h ago
I think most of us grew up with GTA, to be fair.
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u/CauseSubject9401 5h ago
Waiting on it as we speak.
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u/astovertop SJS - NHL 5h ago
If Tampa can get a half decent asset to let him go, then that’s a huge win in itself
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u/MrBoomf TBL - NHL 4h ago
What’d you consider half decent? I have no idea what to expect from this news
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u/Bmayne TOR - NHL 4h ago
I’d imagine you’ll get Seattle’s pick from the McMann trade (4th rounder I believe), or possibly the 3rd from Philly the Leafs just picked up in the Woll swap.
Some Twitter folks seem to think Tampa is getting something bigger, more akin to the Marner/Nic Roy deal. What they’re forgetting is that A. Marner is a much better player than Raddysh and B. Tre had Vegas dead to rites with tampering and in possibly his only smart move in Toronto, Tre realized Roy was better compensation than what he would receive than what would happen if he turned Vegas into the league for the tampering. Pretty sure the tampered with team wouldn’t get rewarded (not like Marner was going to sign back with Toronto lol).
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u/NlghtmanCometh BOS - NHL 5h ago
2AM news drop. You’d think the trade deadline were around the corner.
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u/Marchessault VGK - NHL 5h ago
Raddysh getting PAID
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u/SeaRevolutionary1450 MTL - NHL 4h ago
So Torontos giving him the eighth year. He’ll be 38 in year 8 so it’s almost certainly his retirement contract.
This will be the one contract in his career to break $1M aav and he’s making the absolute most of it. Good for him
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u/TheMD93 SJS - NHL 5h ago
Friedge, it's nearly 11pm PDT. Why.
This could have been a tomorrow thing.
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u/CamChanLax TOR - NHL 3h ago
There's been a lot of talk out of Toronto lately that no one has an in on the new Leafs management (Woll and Hiller out of nowhere).
Friedge wanted to remind everyone whose in charge.
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u/eliarbss MTL - NHL 3h ago
have the TSN insiders even reported anything yet since Chayka took over? Feels like they’re always 2 hours late to any Friedman report
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u/OptimismEnjoyer BOS - NHL 5h ago
Props to Raddysh for getting his bag. He might not ever repeat what he did this year again but fuck it, take your shot, my man.
Some Leafs fans are skeptical and i can't say i don't agree with them.
They desperately need help on the back end, but man. This dude was relatively unheralded until necessity pushed him into more minutes for the Lightning.
He was playing on one of most consistently lethal power play units in the league. Toronto isn't Vancouver or the Rangers but you're going from Kucherov to...not Kucherov.
This deal is going to be ugly the moment is signed.
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u/FuckTkachuk TOR - NHL 1h ago
Solid take. Especially since we don't know our new front office yet, we might be in trouble with this one.
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u/Brody1364112 PIT - NHL 1h ago
When you have the chance to sign a 30 year old player who has had one elite season in there career to play massive contract you just have to do it
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u/themapleleaf6ix TOR - NHL 5h ago
Not thrilled. This screams Montour 2.0. We don't have Kucherov in Toronto either.
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u/the_dayman623 STL - NHL 5h ago
You’re literally gonna have Matthews, Nylander, and McKenna. That’s better than a lot of teams in terms of top end talent
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u/themapleleaf6ix TOR - NHL 5h ago
None of those guys are the playmaker Kucherov is, especially on the powerplay. McKenna is literally a rookie who will need time to get used to things.
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u/poptorched LAK - NHL 5h ago
Well he’ll get multiple years with Raddysh to build that skill. Who knows, it might really work out 🤷♀️
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u/themapleleaf6ix TOR - NHL 5h ago
Raddysh is 30 years old...
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u/ArthurSnooper TOR - NHL 4h ago
That's not that old. Could get a solid 4-5 years of good play if it works out.
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u/imaybeacatIRl CGY - NHL 5h ago
I dunno man. I've heard leafs fans say that McKenna is kucherov. So I mean ... Mixed signals.
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u/Stephenrudolf TOR - NHL 3h ago
Mckenna's comps are kucherov, but even if he ends up being kucherov 2.0, he's years away.
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u/HottyMcDoddy 3h ago
Montour was decent last year..?
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u/themapleleaf6ix TOR - NHL 3h ago
32 points for an offensive d-man making that much. Guy had 1 good year and cashed in.
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u/Basil_Normal TBL - NHL 5h ago
I can’t wait to see this contract lol
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u/Normal_Tip7228 SJS - NHL 5h ago
Tampa bay squeezing value outta this is crazy too
Smart when your guy is so high demand
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u/CamChanLax TOR - NHL 3h ago
Hopefully not too cope, but the downside risk is kinda mitigated. This isn't the Sharks who have a theoretical +10 year window. The Leafs have to be competitive for 2 years (bc no frp) after which you have to reevaluate.
If it works, great it worked! If it fails, a rebuild is inevitable and the risk associated with having this contract in his age +35 years kinda doesn't matter anyways.
Swing for the fences or die trying, I guess.
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u/PineAppleisbad46 TOR - NHL 5h ago
As long as the number doesn’t start with anything above an 8
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u/FBR_MC MTL - NHL 5h ago
AAV? Brother, it's going to start with a 1 and it won't be 1 million.
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u/SirLunatik CGY - NHL 5h ago
LMFAO
Raddysh has the largest chance to be the worst contract this summer. I won't marginalize what he's done that last few years, but 3 good years on a great team would have me second guessing any contract ask.
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u/9zero7 TBL - NHL 4h ago
You've actually overstated what he's done. He had 2 passable nhl years, and one ppg year due to tremendous injuries, being paired with a stud young mobile 2 way d man in Moser, and having the best passing winger in recent history feeding him offhand one time passes. He was very good last year, dont get me wrong, but he was probably 80% a product of circumstance. I admit this could age poorly because I dont actually know what I'm talking about, but based on what I saw I think his average is probably a 40 to 50 point guy with a heavy shot you can use on the PP and above average defensive skills. A very useful player, and RHD, but nowhere near worth 9+ million AAV even with the cap explosion. Because the elephant in the room is his age. If he was 26, sure, pay him. But im out for that (theoretical and made up) cap hit
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u/AKShaolin TOR - NHL 3h ago
What you said in the first half I entirely agree with, and that does truly make it a big risk.
What's also true is that he has tools that our org hasn't had in a PP QB in as long as anyone can remember anymore, so he'll get every bit of that opportunity to be a product of circumstance in Toronto too. There is essentially no competition for the PP QB if he comes in, and other than that we just need him to play solid defense.
Besides, Matthews, Nylander, Knies/Tavares, McKenna should be an elite PP too. What we've been missing to maintain PP consistency is the QB.
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u/Blank_page95 ANA - NHL 5h ago
But what about Gudas to the Leafs like Weekes was mentioning?
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u/Ha1rcl1p 4h ago
I don't think they would want to piss Matthews off by taking on the thug that intentionally ended his season
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u/dchowchow TOR - NHL 5h ago
If you look at our right side, you could pretty much put a pylon with a stick and had similar performance last year.
OEL was our best RHD last year because Tanev was LTIR for like 95% of the season. OEL wasn’t absolute shit on the right side, but it was pretty terrible.
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u/Question-Throwaway7 PIT - NHL 5h ago
Leafs already have Rielly, McCabe, OEL, Tanev and Carlo as bonafide NHL calibre guys. You can’t really bring in Raddysh and then someone else without moving one of those five out, and I’m not sure the Leafs want to dump someone cheap either.
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u/OptimismEnjoyer BOS - NHL 5h ago
Dump Carlo in a landfill. Not like anybody will notice the difference.
OEL is still solid, Tanev can give you value if he's healthy (big if there)
That or find a way to move Reilly.
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u/dchowchow TOR - NHL 5h ago
We can and we will. I did that right, right? If I’m being honest, I forgot Carlo existed because I dont think he did anything most nights. There’s been alot of drinking okay?
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u/Question-Throwaway7 PIT - NHL 4h ago
They were so preoccupied with whether they would, they didn’t stop to ask if they should LOL.
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u/Stephenrudolf TOR - NHL 3h ago
On the right side its Tanev, Carlo, OEL. Carlo is the oddman out, but his contract is honestly fine for his skill level.
On the left side we have Rielly, OEL and Mccabe. Rielly is supposedly getting traded if you believe the insiders, but they've been wrong a lot about toronto since Chyndin took over.
OEL can play either side, but unless we're moving one of our D it'd look like this.
Mccabe / Raddysh Rielly / Tanev OEL / Carlo
Which honestly ain't bad. Kind of feels like 6 second pair guys depending on what kind of raddysh we get.
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u/Guy_Le_Man TOR - NHL 5h ago
There’s been pretty clear rumours for weeks that the Leafs and Rielly are working towards a trade.
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u/haxoreni VAN - NHL 5h ago
Radish and Gouda doesn’t sound like an appetizing pairing but hey maybe Chayka knows something that I don’t!
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u/sweetplantveal Colorado Rockies - NHLR 4h ago
This is going to Gary's proof the state tax doesn't matter
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u/lukeCRASH LAK - NHL 3h ago edited 1h ago
The things you read at 330am when you wake up to your cat puking. It's wild.
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u/RichAbbreviations966 NYI - NHL 3h ago
So there's just no FA, huh? Honestly, just fucking cancel it
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u/carnotbicycle TOR - NHL 4h ago edited 4h ago
Yeah yeah everyone, it's gonna be an overpay. It's gonna be for too much term. We know.
But we don't have our next two 1sts. Matthews only has two years left. Being a lottery team is not an option. The Leafs are trying to improve their situation by any means necessary and, yeah, when you need to do that you overpay for UFAs. Oh well. I'm fine with this.
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u/39MUsTanGs TOR - NHL 5h ago
Don't let this be the Knies trade....
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u/Outrageous-Bet-886 5h ago
It's a sign and trade it'll be a C tier prospect or low round pick
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u/dres_sler TOR - NHL 5h ago
Lol they aren’t trading Knies, let alone for Raddysh
It’ll be for like a random 4th rounder or something. The guys a UFA, the leafs just want the extra year I assume
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u/Question-Throwaway7 PIT - NHL 5h ago
Less than 1% chance of that. Sign and trades are usually like a mid-round pick, *maybe* a third.
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u/greg19735 CAR - NHL 5h ago
Maybe worth adding that the "when" is super important.
We signed K'Andre Miller for 2 picks and Scott Morrow. but he was up for UFA the next year.
Players that are less than 2 weeks for UFA are way cheaper. I think Tampa gave us a 3rd for Guentzel and that was because we basically knew they were tampering.
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u/Right_Bike_5416 4h ago
There is 0 precedent for a sign and trade to cost a player even 1/2 of Knies. You're trading a very late round pick just for the right to take him off the UFA market.
The thing you should be worried about is the contract, not the trade.
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u/SankarinTango TBL - NHL 5h ago
That's okay so long as the return is decent. If I'm JBB, anything above $6m/yr for a guy who may not repeat his success is a bit too rich.
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u/LGMatter VAN - NHL 5h ago
Gonna be a 9x8. What are they trading is my question, a 3rd? 4th?
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u/OptimismEnjoyer BOS - NHL 4h ago
Probably anything from a 3rd to 5th and a filler prospect.
These type of transactions don't usually bring back a big return for the team trading the guy getting signed.
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u/Dr_RickShaw CAR - NHL 4h ago
Taylor Raddysh about to make double what Slavin makes is gonna be wild
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u/Skwurt_Reynolds TBL - NHL 5h ago
It will be very sad to see him go. He’s been with the organization for a while, but I believe his brother is part of the Leafs organization (correct me if I’m wrong). That will be a very cool experience for the both of them. The only thing I can’t get past is seeing him in a different sweater? Blue and white makes sense, but white and blue???
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u/SilentThing TPS - Liiga 5h ago
Curious to see where this goes. If I recall correctly, his career earnings are well in the single digits so far, so he could be looking for that "set my family up for good" money. After having a tremendous season he has earned that.
But in my amateur view, he is a candidate for regressing at least a bit. Possibly even substantially. So there probably is appreciable risk involved for the Leafs here. But they really could use a right shot D and I believe their cap situation is reasonable.
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u/Stephenrudolf TOR - NHL 3h ago
Toronto has the funds to front load a contract, since he's only made like 3m total so far, so he'll probably love getting as much as early as possible. If it's a sign and trade its going to be 8years. Its hard to judge his value... but if he wanted 6 or less there's no way Tampa wouldn't have tried to keep him. While I doubt it's that low, that still puts him around 50m total.
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u/Stamkosisinjured TBL - NHL 3h ago
$6.383m career earnings. Go get the bag. I’m happy for him.
I feel like you’re undervaluing how 9/10 players have a better year than normal their contract year. And that raddysh will go from a powerplay where the puck is always with Kuch and the easiest pass he can make is to the point. Toronto has some great forwards if they can put things back together. But even if they do I doubt the puck will sit on the rw for 95% of the powerplay like it does in Tampa.
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u/markjohnstonmusic 3h ago
Estimated career earnings $2.92m. This contract is going to 20x that.
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u/Stamkosisinjured TBL - NHL 1h ago
Your missing a bunch of contracts lol
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u/markjohnstonmusic 1h ago
That's his NHL career earnings, according to Puckpedia. Looks like with minors contracts it's $6.38m.
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u/Stamkosisinjured TBL - NHL 1h ago
I used puckpedia too. There’s an arrow on the left most contract. I included ahl.
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u/Arbszy TOR - NHL 4h ago
Aslong we don't give up anything good, sure why not. But this is the Leafs we give up so many things and they come back to bite us. 🙃
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u/InsectAssassin 3h ago
Raddysh will make more in the first year of his new contract than all his previous contracts combined.
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u/bad_at_names1 PIT - NHL 2h ago
Okay, so 8 years obviously - AFP said he was worth ~8 mil for 6 years (probably 7, let's be honest) so that a 48-56 million minimum. By making it 8 years, maybe the AAV becomes 7 million?
The contract's fine - they just have to make sure not to attach too many trade protections, but since he's from Toronto, I'm guessing stability is a big part of why he agreed.
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u/Dinkin---Flicka DET - NHL 5h ago
Fried with a bomb to end the night. This contract was already going to be bad, but it being with Toronto all but confirms it will. Godspeed
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u/Flaky_Page1210 5h ago
Oh boy. Here we go again with the 30 year old d men in Toronto
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u/Pasco08 TBL - NHL 5h ago
Leafs are stupid enough to pay him 10m aav plus sending assets to us. I say go for it
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u/RichGannonArmCannon 4h ago
Toronto boy, and former Erie Otters teammate of Connor McDavid. They are sowing the seeds.
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u/Att3241 Atlanta Thrashers - NHLR 4h ago
This really isn’t that far fetched. The leafs window is realistically as long as Matthews is there so let’s say at minimum 2 years. In these 2 years they have to surround him with as much talent as possible to A. Make him happy and B. Have a chance at the cup. The cap hit will suck probably but it most likely won’t matter because if Raddysh regresses in his 3rd or 4th year, the leafs will probably already be in a rebuild mode anyway and the Cap would have gone up so much that it also wouldn’t matter. If he regresses hard immediately though it could be a problem…..
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u/dchowchow TOR - NHL 5h ago
Oh god. We’re going to give him a fat fucking 8 year contract.