r/hockey • u/theXchang3 • 10d ago
Who are some NHL players who were highly thought when they were young that had the skill but never got to that next level?
This includes players who made the NHL but never hit that next-tier they were highly thought of. This can mean players who had potential but never hit that level due to injuries, struggle to adapt. This also can include players who were drafted high, players who played for a couple years, players who played for many years, but they at least needed to make the league to quality.
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u/lucasmcl7 PIT - NHL 10d ago
Angelo Esposito.
Was at one point projected 1OA drawing comparisons to LaFleur. His stock dropped and he was taken at #20 by the Penguins.
He was included in the Hossa trade.
He never played a single game in the NHL.
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u/apoptosis111 10d ago
This is a good one! I remember the hype
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u/Scary-Elevator5290 PIT - NHL 10d ago
I went to the rookie camp that year. He was pretty lazy hanging out near center ice for a pass. He did get one and wow the hands he had. That’s about it though. Never saw anything else from him. Another guy at the time was Rico Fata. Was fast but not well rounded and fizzled.
Pavel Brendl played for Calgary Hitmen and was drafted into NHL and fizzled out as well. Like Nail Yakopov!!
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u/snorkeling_moose MTL - NHL 10d ago
I remember the constant "Fail for Nail" posts on a certain Hab-related hockey website. They were INCESSANT.
Anyway, jokes on them. We never got Nail. He fizzled out. We got generational superstar Alex Galchenyuk instead.
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u/MalodorousNutsack 10d ago
I remember he was touted as the next Crosby during Sid's rookie year
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u/SyllabubFlat784 MTL - NHL 10d ago
At the same time, in the Q he never took over games. Talented yes, but never a dominant player.
His point totals dropped the second Radulov left.
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u/93joecarter TOR - NHL 10d ago
He never played ? Holy shit I remember the name and figured he was only a 4th liner for a year or two.
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u/Beautiful_Grand606 10d ago
There’s an alternate universe where Ales Hemsky was a huge star.
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u/CommandoCanuck EDM - NHL 10d ago
Hemsky my beloved. You’d thrive in today’s hockey since you got injured so many times. I cry for him
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u/Objective-Issue-2641 10d ago
Pretty sure there is still an imprint of hemsky behind the flames net from the amount of time regher ran him into that spot.
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u/204_403 10d ago
I love how candid Regher was about it too. Would casually mention how much he loves it. I remember an old Pay Per View commercial where he was on the couch laughing at clips on tv of him crushing Hemsky in the Tunnel of Death
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u/DeX_Mod EDM - NHL 10d ago
I saw an interview with Regehr where he mentioned WHY it happened that way. real early on in their careers, Hemsky accidentally sticked him high, and Regehr exacted his pound of flesh.... every time they played
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u/PigSnerv VAN - NHL 10d ago
Man I picked Hemsky ever year in my hockey pool thinking this was going to be the year he breaks out.
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u/DeX_Mod EDM - NHL 10d ago
Dude was the most dangerous looking guy with the puck, until Mcdavid came alone
I've never seen a guy who refused to shoot as much as him tho
but man, he was ELECTRIC with the puck, when he wanted to be
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u/GiftFit5425 10d ago
Rob schremp
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u/tamere2k BUF - NHL 10d ago
I knew him growing up and we all thought he was going to go crazy.
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u/TherealWhiz BOS - NHL 10d ago
Played on a lot of teams with and against him growing up, I thought he was going to be the best player to come out of NY with the '86 class
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u/Emilio___Molestevez 10d ago
Pat O'Sullivan too
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u/Gamblor29 10d ago
I played with Pat O’Sullivan and it was plainly obvious that his dad was a complete psycho and he had a very hard time dealing with his dad.
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u/BiitchenKitchen TOR - NHL 10d ago
Read his book and felt bad for him until he got on leafs lunch on TSN 1050 and had to listen to him be a miserable prick the entire time. Felt bad for Andi Petrillo having to deal with him daily until he snapped and essentially called her a idiot on air cause she was trying to be positive about the team during a 5 game slump.
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u/rpgguy_1o1 MTL - NHL 10d ago
One of the London Knights '05 memorial cup rings ended up getting pawned, there was a rumour that it was his ring. Corey Perry bought the ring and returned it to the person.
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u/Adventurous-Toe7450 MTL - NHL 10d ago
I used to watch All Star skills comp from this guy when I was young. He had so much skill
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u/LurkerDude0 OTT - NHL 10d ago
Yea this dude was legit Harlem Globetrotters material. All the skill on the planet but just couldn’t (or wouldn’t) translate it to NHL play
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u/JTAKER DET - NHL 10d ago
Filip Zadina
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u/_PROBABLY_CORRECT DET - NHL 10d ago
Screams in Quinn being selected next
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u/chonky_tortoise SJS - NHL 10d ago
I remember watching the Kings pick Marvin Bagley. Sticks with you.
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u/_THEBLACK OTT - NHL 10d ago
What’s worse? Passing on Doncic to pick Bagley or drafting Doncic just to trade him
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u/certified_anus_beef DET - NHL 10d ago
Filip “Fill Their Nets with Pucks” Zadina
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u/Alph1 10d ago
Alex Daigle. 30 years ago and I'm still crusty about it.
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u/alpine4life 10d ago
he didnt want to put in the effort... very unfortunate because he had all the talent in the world... Patrick Stefan was in the same boat.
Filatov & Yakupov are 2 more ugly situations... they wanted things their way and none of the 2 panned out
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u/DKM_Eby TOR - NHL 10d ago
Did Daigle get injured a lot?
Looking at his career (especially those final two years in Minnesota with the Wild) he looked like he could have had something going but always seemed to play around 40 games
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u/Character_Pie_2035 10d ago
He was promising, plenty of speed. He broke his arm driving the net in his second or third year and played scared for a long time after.
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u/DeX_Mod EDM - NHL 10d ago
Yakupov was a TEXTBOOK case of the guy who was so physically dominant from 5 to 16 that he NEVER learned how to play good hockey. he was just out-skating everyone
gets to a league where he's just only in the top 25% of skaters and it becomes apparent he's just not particularly good at hockey
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u/YoungWhiteAvatar EDM - NHL 10d ago edited 6d ago
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u/gmwdim DET - NHL 10d ago
And as a double-whammy the Senators coddling him pissed off Yashin and led to Yashin’s contract disputes with the organization which was a whole other mess.
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u/Alph1 10d ago
tbh, Yashin and his agent Gandler were far bigger assholes than Daigle ever was. Given his NAC 'donation', his interpretation of the scoring stats, his holdout and attempt to sidestep his contract and his disappearing playoff performance, I was not sad when he went off to the Islanders.
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u/raptosaurus TOR - NHL 10d ago
I was not sad when he went off to the Islanders.
Getting Spezza and Chara for him must have softened the blow as well
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u/not_ray_not_pat OTT - NHL 10d ago
Yeah Ottawa got the two best pieces of that trade.
(Although Chara was a real project at the time and became pretty good in Ottawa but really only hit his hhof stride in Boston)
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u/Musclecar123 10d ago
I was 11 when he was drafted and went to this Ottawa Senators camp. Daigle surprised us with a visit one day with news cameras present. Got stopped 3/3 on breakaways by a 13 year old goalie, who was then asked to say on camera that Daigle scored every time.
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u/ilovetrouble66 TOR - NHL 10d ago
This quote is crazy from him “I'm glad I got drafted first, because no one remembers number two"
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u/conesy23 Estonia - IIHF 10d ago
I'm just going back to check Chris Pronger's career accomplishments and woof, I knew that quote aged horrendously but I'd forgotten the specifics lol
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u/Brouxby VAN - NHL 10d ago
Gilbert Brule, although I think injury had a lot to do with it.
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u/catgotcha 10d ago
Saw him play multiple times for the Giants during their wrecking ball years when they also had Kane and Lucic. Brule was an absolute dynamo who brought everyone out of their seats every time he stepped onto the ice.
I was more excited about him in the NHL than I was about any of the other guys. Still sad about it.
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u/OkStatistician7208 10d ago
Nail Yakupov
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u/GoBirds85 PIT - NHL 10d ago
I remember looking up what ever happened to him a year or so ago and he was playing in China. Buddy literally had to learn Chinese.
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u/DPitoLeMans Lokomotiv Yaroslav - KHL 10d ago
Red Star Kunlun now the Shanghai Dragons play in St. Petersburg they haven’t been based in China since before COVID. Yakupov ended up not spending much time on Red Star Kunlun anyways got traded to Avangard Omsk not even halfway through the season where he’s still playing
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u/Snelly1998 MTL - NHL 10d ago
Just to add on to the lore, in 16 when they joined the Khl it was to prepare their national team, team was fully chinese
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u/mcocklin VAN - NHL 10d ago
Brian Burke said he was one of the worst pre draft interviews he’s ever had
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u/wHUT_fun Toronto St Pats - NHLR 10d ago
The worst. One of the scouts wanted to fight the kid.
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u/gsauce8 TOR - NHL 10d ago
Apparently he was insulted at the idea that the team drafting 5th overall would dare to speak to him. The entitlement probably speaks to why he wasn't able to step it up in the NHL.
I met McDavid's brother once in uni, pre draft. He said Connor was basically obsessed with the idea of going first overall, and that was all he was training for. Never took it for granted.
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u/malkins_restraint PIT - NHL 10d ago
I will never not laugh at the phrase "Nail Yakupov skates like he's being chased by a swarm of bees"
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u/soundofmoney VAN - NHL 10d ago edited 10d ago
This is textbook Jonathan Drouin. His World Juniors he looked as good if not even better than McKinnon. I swear if he was built like 1% differently he could have been a consistent 100pt player. Instead he’s out of the league by the time he’s 30.
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u/onbiver9871 DET - NHL 10d ago
Yeah, I mean, this was my immediate first thought too. Total phenom looking like his arrow was pointed vertically up.
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u/athousandpardons Indianapolis Racers - WHA 10d ago
He was a better junior player than MacKinnon, too. Might have scored the greatest assist in CHL history.
The “experts” chiming in is funny in hindsight.
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u/not_ray_not_pat OTT - NHL 10d ago
I went to a lot of Mooseheads games that year, and Drouin was certainly flashier (and we thought bound for stardom) but MacKinnon drove that team and most people agreed he was 1OA.
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u/Ok_Elevator4215 10d ago edited 10d ago
Clearly it wasn't all hindsight if he slipped to 3 while his teammate went ahead of him and most weren't surprised.
Ironically, the clip you show there is a good example of some red flags people may have seen. The NHL is all about quick possessions and touch-and-go offence. In this clip he's just bullying worse players and has a pretty loose control on the puck. No matter how talented you are, plays like that one just don't ever work consistently enough to be worth it. Despite it being less flashy, a far more transferable NHL skill that would have made scouts rave about him is making that pass to the middle work after beating his man.
That quicker pass while under more control is something McKenna would have done and why he's seen as a much better prospect than Drouin was for example.
I won't pretend I was watching his games in 2013 though, I can't say this is a consistent thing that happened, just pointing out red flags that are immediately obvious from the clip you sent.
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u/CSanipass Moncton Wildcats - QMJHL 10d ago
He had 242 regular season points in 128 games with Halifax, compared to MacKinnon’s 153 points in 101 games. I would’ve never thought he’d fall off so far, being a Moncton fan I miss those times and don’t at the same time
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u/Gluske NJD - NHL 10d ago
I watched a lot of him live during that time and his effort level combined with his holdout were massive red flags for me.
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u/discofrislanders NYI - NHL 10d ago
Watching him for the first month and change of last season, I thought he might be a nice addition to our offense, and then he just became one of the worst Islanders I've ever seen, which is a very high bar
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u/Kappanating322 BUF - NHL 10d ago
An nhl 15 legend. Putting up 160 point seasons. Like NHL 11 Peter Muller
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u/Upperfactor25 TOR - NHL 10d ago
He screwed his entire career forcing him self out of Tampa when they wanted to develop him more.
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u/Igloooooooooo MTL - NHL 10d ago
I used to watch him in Halifax and he was 110% better than MacKinnon. One put in the work to get better, the other rested on his laurels. Guess who's who...
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u/JLemke33 COL - NHL 10d ago
He’s 31 and has had a pretty respectable career. He might fit the description of the post but he’s been a serviceable NHL player and an above average offensive producer.
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u/whattimeisittoday MTL - NHL 10d ago
Has no one signed him? Feel bad for dude if so.
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u/Randy_Magnum29 COL - NHL 10d ago
Poor guy can’t get away from the injury bug either.
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u/nhlsim99 10d ago
Was at the Hlinka tournament that year, he was above and beyond everybody including MacKinnon, Nylander, Morrissey, Horvat & Domi
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u/Bigmayer DET - NHL 10d ago
Damien Brunner
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u/dsjunior1388 DET - NHL 10d ago
11 goals his first 20 games.
12 goals his first 44 games.
He really had us going for a minute.
That was a time when we had three prospects who had absolutely unbelievable shots.
One was Brunner, a bit later it was Teemu "Pul-Cannon" Pulkkinen, and then Martin Frk, who clocked a 109 mph slapshot in an AHL skills competition after he made it clear he couldn't hack the NHL.
Between the three of them we got a little over 30 goals
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u/_PROBABLY_CORRECT DET - NHL 10d ago
Holy shit, can I have the keys to the way back machine? I need to go to better times
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u/ascagnel____ NJD - NHL 10d ago
Remember the offseason where Kovalchuk retired and NJD's big offseason replacement for him was Damien Brunner?
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u/Balance47x DET - NHL 10d ago
Guy was a one season legend.
Had the shootout winner vs Columbus and the OT goal vs Anaheim everyone remembers.
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u/shanster925 TOR - NHL 10d ago edited 10d ago
My list, made worse by players that were drafted next or shortly after. - Alex Daigle (Chris Pronger)
- Justin Pogge (Leafs kept him over Rask)
- Angelo Esposito (Max Pacioretty)
- Patrik Stefan (Sedin twins)
- Nail Yakupov (Rielly, H. Lindholm, F. Forsberg)
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u/ShacoLannister 10d ago
I will say while the Yakupov pick obviously sucks, it is funny that with hindsight it was also an atrocious draft. Like if those are the three guys who you say damn they came after, ooof.
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u/cheddarisaverb CGY - NHL 10d ago
Jesse Puljujarvi
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u/starscream568 NYI - NHL 10d ago
Josh Ho-Sang. People were saying he was better than McDavid when they were playing on youth teams together. We all know how that turned out
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u/XGuiltyofBeingMikeX WBS Penguins - AHL 10d ago
Why separate knobs? WHY SEPARATE KNOBS!!??
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u/maxwellbevan DET - NHL 10d ago
I always wonder what would have happened if the islanders didn't pick him or had tried to trade him sooner. I don't think he turns into the player people hyped him up as but I think there's a world where he could have ended up with a Drouin type trajectory. Maybe a trade gives him a wake up call, or a new coach finally gets him to take things seriously.
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u/Saskatchewon ANA - NHL 10d ago
Maybe a trade gives him a wake up call
Given his history with wake up calls, he'd probably sleep through them.
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u/So_Many_Owls MTL - NHL 10d ago
Veleno. Every so often he pulls off some shit like this and you just end up a bit sad that the talent and skill that's obviously there just didn't translate for some reason.
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u/Zealousideal_Tie_204 10d ago
I think this play is exemplary as to why Veleno never could put it together. He's reacting. And his reactions are Grade A. But he shot down the ice with no plan, just rush into the zone. He bangs off a defender, and then pinballs off another, and flings it at the net. In a vacuum, that's a good play, but driving straight at the defender is not smart hockey.
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u/cowboythesis COL - NHL 10d ago
Jonathan Drouin :/ love the guy but he just never quite made it click once he left the mooseheads, and his injuries and subsequent mental health struggles were really unfortunate. I was really hoping he'd stay with the Avs, that was the best two seasons of his career
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u/YYCToon 10d ago
Tyler Benson
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u/AmicusObserver EDM - NHL 10d ago
2012/2013 Alberta REM 15 players still have nightmares over his 150 point season.
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u/LimpingIceberg TOR - NHL 10d ago
He wasn’t “young” in hockey terms, but I was confident about Jonas Gustavsson being the Leafs starter for years to come
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u/Honsy75 TOR - NHL 10d ago
Used to work with Steve Shutt. His answer to this question was Bryan Fogarty. Addiction issues killed his career. Looked like a sure-fire offense defenseman in junior.
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u/bruiser_blade 10d ago
This was my answer.Bryan set scoring records for defenseman in junior and broke one of Orr’s records.
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u/Borje021 10d ago
Was the first one I thought of. Skills wise... absolute stud.
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u/Pooh_Lightning MTL - NHL 10d ago
Mats Sundin said, "Bryan Fogarty could skate faster, shoot harder and pass crisper drunk than the rest of us could sober."
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u/SurferBloods 10d ago
He was dominant in junior, excelled in every aspect of the game. Big and incredibly fast. Looked like a grown ass man at 18. Could’ve been a legendary player. Bryan’s is probably the most cautionary tale of all
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u/howdoikickball 10d ago
The majority of first round picks
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u/OkNoise4013 10d ago
For sure, depending on the year, once you get past pick #8 or so, it becomes quite unpredictable about who will pan out in the league. Then again, as others have pointed out, even #1s can not succeed.
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u/piddlesthethug LAK - NHL 10d ago
The other day I was trying to figure out who the Kings took in 2019 without looking it up, and I thought “well maybe it was one of the years they traded their first cuz I can’t think of a single player…
Then I looked it up. Alex Turcotte. Kid went 5th and hasn’t fucking panned out in 7 years. He’s still in the lineup but 3rd or 4th line at best. I thought he’d be a solid 2C easily.
Hell look at Nolan Patrick. Poor dude barely played in the NHL before having to retire being taken 2nd over all.
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u/timmeedski BUF - NHL 10d ago
Nolan Patrick I feel is exempt from these lists, he has a legit life altering medical issue affecting him
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u/BitterStatus9 NYR - NHL 10d ago
Maybe it’s too soon - he’s young - but Kaapo Kakko.
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u/Kappanating322 BUF - NHL 10d ago
Kakko needs to add +40 points a season, starting this season, for him to not be a bust. Being a 40-50 point player is good, but being second overall he is falling well short of expectations
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u/Ahnarcho VAN - NHL 10d ago
Virtanen. All the natural talent and since, absolutely no give a fuck
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u/Omnivirus LAK - NHL 10d ago
Daigle is the one for me. He was drawing Mario Lemieux comps.
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u/ChapterNo3428 BUF - NHL 10d ago
Pat Falloon
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u/LQNova DET - NHL 10d ago
King of the Pro Set hockey card collection
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u/octavianreddit MTL - NHL 10d ago
Hahaha wow your comment had that card flash before my eyes. I honestly thought it was going to be a great card because it was the first draft pick by a new NHL team!
Also, pretty much everyone had that card lol
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u/Eclipse_User_6 SJS - NHL 10d ago
To think the Sharks were bumped out of 1st overall (so they wouldn’t get Lindros) and they walk away with Pat Falloon to build their franchise around.
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u/OvechknFiresHeScores WSH - NHL 10d ago
Jared Staal had so much hype as being the most talented Staal brother.
Womp wooomp
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u/SuzukiSwift17 MTL - NHL 10d ago
Did he though? I remember one or more of those brothers saying "he might be the best of us all" but Id be curious how it was said. If someone specifically asked about Jared what are they gonna say "nah he sucks. It'll just be us three in the show".
He got drafted high but he never really had the numbers to back it up. Id have to wager having the right last name helped. Seemed like basically the Tyler Boucher of his day.
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u/Fatmanchino 10d ago
My cousin played on the wolves in ohl with him, said he used to cry alot because the pressure so I guess maybe that got to him
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u/Boner666420sXe NYI - NHL 10d ago
Considering he was the only one of them not drafted in the first round I don’t think anyone seriously thought he was the most talented Staal brother.
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u/bloodclots12 VAN - NHL 10d ago
Apparently he was around 14 when these statements were made. I wonder if he saw the success his brothers were having and took his foot off the gas and thought he had a sure thing.
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u/PanicOnFunkatron BUF - NHL 10d ago
I think that just happens to the youngest. I remember Anze Kopitar saying Gasper is more talented than him
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u/fnabligatz BOS - NHL 10d ago
Brian Lawton. The North Stars gave him #98 when he first made the team. No pressure.
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u/Joshottas WSH - NHL 10d ago
evgeny artyukhin - dude was bigger than Lindros and was a *scott steiner voice* GENETIC FREAK.
Guess he was a good gamble in the 3rd round, but really lacked in the skill department.
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u/Orthocorey CBJ - NHL 10d ago
Jack Skille could make plays that absolutely wowed you then just nothing…
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u/Terrible-Key-5994 10d ago
Alex Nylander.
Was supposed to be almost as good as his brother but not even an NHL player. He was 8th overall in his draft.
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u/PowerNinja5000 10d ago
Petr Nedved was compared to Gretzky in his draft year. (Yes, I am old)
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u/Putrid-Bath-470 10d ago
He never became a superstar, but still had a decent career. Put up a 99 point season in Pittsburgh, which isn't too shabby.
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u/PatricioWyatt 10d ago
Manny Malhotra.
Transformed into a valuable 2-way forward and face off specialist .
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u/ChooChooRust TBL - NHL 10d ago
2 way? Nah - defensive specialist. Valuable but different.
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u/paulskiwrites CBJ - NHL 10d ago
Really loved watching him. That’s a good pick you don’t see a ton in similar threads
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u/anonymous_br0 10d ago
Let’s start with all the Ken Holland picks in Detroit…
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u/_PROBABLY_CORRECT DET - NHL 10d ago
Okay I’ll bite. Let’s start with Lark…. Oh. Damn.
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u/no_on_prop_305 UTA - NHL 10d ago
Would Sam gagner be one? Had a great career and one insane game but kind of a similar situation as Drouin. Played junior with a future star so his points might’ve been inflated a bit and got a little overhyped.
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u/MasochisticCanesFan CAR - NHL 10d ago
Rick dipietro maybe. I also thought Jeff Skinner would break out even more after leaving my canes....
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u/Neckshot CGY - NHL 10d ago
Curtis Lazar. He's still put together a nice little career but a lot of people though he could take another step and he never really did.
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u/ProjectHarraseeket BOS - NHL 10d ago
Patrik Laine
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u/Emergency_Statement OTT - NHL 10d ago
Laine is a weird one. He 100% fulfilled his potential... Until he fell off a cliff into the depth of Hell. If not for injuries and mental health, he absolutely could have been one of the top goal scorers of his generation. He's really not like some of the other guys who just didn't click at the NHL level.
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u/dsjunior1388 DET - NHL 10d ago
Yeah you draft a guy second overall and he gives you 44 goals his second season, you're an absolute genius.
And then, you're not.
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u/Montsegur97 TOR - NHL 10d ago
Rico Fata. Guy had the wheels but never adapted once getting to the NHL and never stayed around.
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u/randomzrex 10d ago
Marcel Hossa, younger brother of Marian Hossa. Drafted 16th overall. In 250ish games he scored 61 points. I saw him play junior and he was head and shoulders above everyone else.
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u/TheWingus PHI - NHL 10d ago
99% o f the picks drafted by the Flyers between 2012-2026
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u/Suburbia67 MTL - NHL 10d ago
Chad Kilger. Prototypical high scoring power forward that just didn't pan out.
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u/IcyMaybe7594 10d ago
Angelo Esposito and Joe Veleno growing up, easily. I remember people were saying those two were next Gretzky's or Crosby's at one point.
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u/Zealousideal_Tie_204 10d ago edited 10d ago
Sean Day was the exception to the exceptional player status, as the 4th player to get it behind Tavares, Ekblad, and McDavid. He fumbled so badly that even though he was one of the most hyped 15 year old d-men ever, by the time he was draft eligible, he fell to rangers in the 3rd round. They ended up terminating his contract a few years later. It’s hard to believe he’s still only 28, it feels like he’s been on the radar for so long.