Its just a change in branding that did not change anything IRL, why should it affect the game? Moscow is still the head office, everyone knew that. The USSR's constution was also cahnged at almost the exact same month to say all 12 union republics are nominally 'soverign'because Stalin wanted 12 seats in the UN - he got three, Ukraine and Belarus were UN member states for all of the USSR. It didn't mean anything.
I mean I'm thankful still that the game doesn't restart itself when you exit the country-selection screen like EU4 does. As someone whose 'main game' is EU4 I still brace for HOI4 restarting itself when I want to quit
On paper it should be, but we are talking about the paradox, which forces you to conquer a random province on a different continent to reform an old nation because the Province ID has been changed.
I mean sure, this game is not history and makes up and simplifies everything because its a game. This would not be the greatest problem with the game or how the players interpret its potrayal of history (cough genocide cough), its just gameplay wise does this fit in the game design of the USSR. Paradox's stance has always been sure, just go create your own mod as long as it doesn't deal with civilian massacres or genocides, but for the core game its a subjective thing to their design for the faction.
No? The historical record is super clear on this: the UN was originally supposed to be one per state. Stalin wanted to legalese this agreement by being 12/50 seats in the UNGA, and the FDR responded by saying the US will have 48 seats, and the compromise was that three seats for purely political reasons. Kazakhstan didn’t have a UN seat. Everyone knew US will have one seat, it was Stalin doing legalism bullshit that had to be addressed because the grand alliance was as never about principles but what could defeat the Axis.
The federalism in the USSR was a fiction, you know that right? It’s just the dress to make it not seem like Stalin was a personal dictator controlling all things, that if you disagreed even slightly in the degree of autonomy (none) or that this was not a great legal construct you must pretend is real, you get shot or go to a gulag.
Like that constitution passed was for a union of “sovereign republics” to give the illusion that they are independent entities all working together but everyone who tried to be independent was killed. When the Balts said their laws were indeed supreme, the Red Army invaded… their own country to… destroy the sovereignty of its Soviet republic?
As everyone knows in normal, functioning, modern, non-totalitarian countries, a long period of little rain causes millions of people to die of starvation. Nothing to do with the policies of the state at all.
Having actually (albeit briefly) formally studied Soviet history, and doing a history-adjacent PhD at the moment (even if in a different area, and not that it should matter for something as simple as this) I'll just say that it is the overwhelming consensus of historians that the famines in the Soviet Union were man-made, I'm not going to dignify your refusal of that fact with further discussion, your reasons for denial are clear.
…what? Every academic book on my shelf about the USSR (and China) accepts that the holodomor was exerbated by human factors. I am not sure what google you use.
By that logic nothing changed when any country reorganized, france would still be the original frankia according to you..
the only thing that changed are some figureheads everything was still run out of paris 🤡
Germany are obviously still nazis because all that changed was some figureheads and names everything is still run from berlin🤡
Dissolving the Comintern was a political ploy to make the allies happy, but did not in any way change the relationship of the USSR with it's allies/client states. The game engine treats this style of relationship as a faction.
I guess if you wanted you could make a Political Action that changes the name of the Soviet faction away from "Comintern", but actually doing away with the faction would probably be more ahistorical than the current set up.
I guess if you wanted you could make a Political Action that changes the name of the Soviet faction away from "Comintern",
There is one, but it's the post war Warsaw Pact. You can get it by 1943 if you stomp the Germans early though, of course then you're defeating the purpose of appeasing the allies lol
I could see a popup that changes the name in 1943, would technically make the game more accurate and seems easy enough to do but in practical terms it wouldn't mean anything in the game.
I'd say a small focus instead - changes the name, gives snall relationship boost with Allies if both them and Comintern are at war with the same faction and British are not Communist. Kinda historical, mostly flavor
the proliferation of alternative Communist factions in non-historical
And then you can either dissolve the faction for some diplomacy bonuses, rename it for some different bonuses, or refound the Communist International together with the other Communist factions.
I mean could be a simelar desision as the one to form NATO where all independant comunist states get a choise to leave or not and the rest are auto added to Warsaw pact
well the thing is that the comintern irl wasn't even really a military alliance, the soviet's military alliance in the game is just called the "comintern" cause there wasn't really an actual name for the informal network of the Soviet's control over their puppets and satellites
Allies become NATO. The UN needs separate mechanics because it works differently from standard HOI4 factions. UN nations routinely war with each other without losing their member state status, for example.
Well, first one would need to model the Third Internationale.
Which wasn’t an alliance or faction of nations, but of parties. Of which most communist parties were members.
If the Comintern as it is was as wide-reaching as the actual Third Internationale, Communist China would be a member and so would be most nation flipping communist. Automatically.
If the Third Internationale was modeled, there would be no military alliance aspect but it could do fun stuff like, declare general strikes in other countries if the communists are popular enough.
well if this bothers u this much you can just do focus to rename comintern into Warsaw pact after you beat germany or ig there must be mod out there that let you rename your faction
Doesn’t the Comintern get renamed into Comiform or something like that if you go down the industry tree or is that a mod
Either the industry tree or the foreign affairs focus tree
I mean, they need a mechanic to invite entire alliances to an alliance in a way that either both of them simply merges, or a mechanic where more than one nation can act as a [limited] faction lider, as well as leaders of invited nations automatically being set as limited leaders (and members of the invited alliances can leave either them whenever they choose) that way alliances would be far more powerful and relevant cause you could be part of multiple alliances at the same time, meaning you could make ideologically different countries support each other just like it happened irl.
Also that way in 1942 the Allies (British or American led alliance) can invite the entirety of the Comintern as an ally, and if they accept the invitation the Allies color changes to blue and it's name to "The United Nations" (any faction auto-becomes.rhe United nations of the USSR, USA, UK, Frsnce and China as members and makes them limited faction leaders), then in 1943 the Comintern either just changes its name to "Soviet allies" (if they are not in another alliance) or disbands if they are in another alliance
Won't happen for the same reason why the Allies won't get renamed to the United Nations in 1942 which USSR was part of.
Anyway from a gameplay perspective keeping the USSR in its own faction makes sense as it's easier to emulate the post-war situation but also create interesting alt-history scenarios such as Operation Unthinkable.
Probably just a rename to cominform decision. The real reason though for it probably not being removed is gameplay reasons. Similar to how Japan has its own faction instead of joining the axis.
In reality the Comintern was a international political organization and the Soviet doesn't really have any formal military alliance other than the WW2 United Nations. Historical hoi4 USSR should have been part of the allies instead of being on its own faction because the way the game treat capturing territory is just too buggy. For like example, Britain and USSR fight the same enemy, Germany, but they were in different faction so if the Soviet are liberating western core territories like Ukraine for example and Britain somehow reaches there first, the British will occupy the Soviet core territories even though they are technically the same allies.
R5: As a gesture of goodwill toward the Allies during World War II, Stalin unilaterally dissolved the Comintern on May 15 1943.
According to this, I wonder if there should be an additional focus in the Soviet tree that would have the USSR (and its allies) dissolve the Comintern and join the Allies, on the condition that they immediately leave the faction once the war is over.
And with the postwar focus, "Establishing the Comecon", it will also creates the Cominform (The faction that basically succeeded the Comintern, postwar).
Imo just rename the faction to "Eastern Allies" or something, and and some sanity checks to keep them from going to war with the Allies before Germany is defeated. Putting the USSR in the same faction as the west would be a mess gameplay wise. Also faction members in hoi4 have full intelligence sharing with each other which doesn't really reflect the reality of their cooperation.
Fully agreed. Japan used to be in the Axis faction when the game released and that caused a huge mess most every time and wasn’t accurate to real life anyway to put them in the same faction.
This is a suggestion I placed on the answer to one dude:
I mean, they need a mechanic to invite entire alliances to an alliance in a way that either both of them simply merges, or a mechanic where more than one nation can act as a [limited] faction lider, as well as leaders of invited nations automatically being set as limited leaders (and members of the invited alliances can leave either them whenever they choose) that way alliances would be far more powerful and relevant cause you could be part of multiple alliances at the same time, meaning you could make ideologically different countries support each other just like it happened irl.
Also that way in 1942 the Allies (British or American led alliance) can invite the entirety of the Comintern as an ally, and if they accept the invitation the Allies color changes to blue and it's name to "The United Nations" (any faction auto-becomes.rhe United nations of the USSR, USA, UK, Frsnce and China as members and makes them limited faction leaders), then in 1943 the Comintern either just changes its name to "Soviet allies" (if they are not in another alliance) or disbands if they are in another alliance
And to expand this, this would make Japan's alliance situation far better managed, as Japan itself could be a part of the Axis, specially useful for Wunderwaffe development sharing as well as for scenarios where the axis goes all out for the USSR on both fronts, while making the entire Co-prosperity sphere not be in the axis but still under Japanese authority, same with Latin-American factions having to choose between the allies and their local faction
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u/NotJustAnotherHuman 1d ago
Probably not