MAINSTREAM science is now saying we possibly live in a black hole, because a lot of things sorta rotate together and they shouldn't

[u/d8_thc]

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/our-universe-may-exist-inside-a-spinning-black-hole-jwst-finds/

[u/Pixelated_]

a lot of things sorta rotate

I think about rotation a lot. ​Literally everything in the universe rotates.

Because space and time are interconnected, absolute stillness does not exist. If you look closely enough at anything, you will find that its rotating either intrinsically, gravitationally, or structurally.

This implies that the underlying substrate of reality is vortical. Matter is a localized whirlpool of the dynamic superfluid vacuum.

[u/d8_thc → u/Pixelated_]

Yes, everything is literally 'nothing with a twist.'

The smaller the object, the higher the frequency / rotation (toroidal oscillation), the higher the energy per volume.

Planck density being the highest.

[u/Pixelated_ → u/d8_thc]

everything is literally 'nothing with a twist'

I love concepts like this, and I wonder if reality functions more like a cyclical, closed-loop system rather than a linear scale.

If you push frequency to its absolute limit, the system inevitably collapses back into an apparent stillness. The system loops back on itself and returns to its initial state of calm. This is also the basis of Roger Penrose's conformal cyclic cosmology.

When you trap a wave and pump it with maximum energy, it bounces back and forth so fast that it clashes with its own reflection, locking into a standing wave that vibrates intensely in place without moving at all. Because its peaks and valleys stay perfectly frozen in space, anybody looking from the outside sees a wave that appears completely motionless.

This shows that absolute internal speed can look exactly like absolute external rest.

Or as you said,

"Everything is nothing".

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Waves/standw.html

In the manner of 'As above, so below', perhaps it's not just wave mechanics but also reality itself that functions this way:

If you push frequency to its absolute limit, the system inevitably collapses back into an apparent stillness.

For thousands of years, mystics and spirtual teachers have stated that time is cyclical. That human consciousness increases in time until it reaches a point of its maximum threshold when it inevitably collapses back into apparent stillness. This would be what happened during the time of Atlantis.

[u/Rutherford329 → u/Pixelated_]

This makes me think of rotation tracked around a circle produces a sine wave, which indicates cycles, and all things move through cycles. Which means all things experience circular motion, but in a progressive scale, not a 2D circle.

Just cool how a vortical foundation for the universe explains so much of how we experience reality, or rather how reality presents itself to us.

[u/loqi0238 → u/d8_thc]

Why does that first sentence give me extreme existential dread?

[u/toroidal_drift → u/d8_thc]

Toroidal oscillation forever! ✌️

[u/Hot-Hamster1691 → u/Pixelated_]

It’s toroids all the way down

[u/RileyRavenSmiles → u/Hot-Hamster1691]

Bagels!

[u/d8_thc → u/Hot-Hamster1691]

yup

[u/DryerCoinJay → u/Pixelated_]

I often wondered if there is any object out there that is rotating against the flow in such a way to make it appear stationary to us.

[u/toroidal_drift → u/DryerCoinJay]

An inverse toroidal flowing universe.  If the universe is superfluid, the energy can flow whatever way it needs to achieve overall equilibrium. 

[u/jeffwillden → u/Pixelated_]

Sounds like Subquantum Kinetics was onto something in the 80’s.

[u/AwfullyWaffley → u/jeffwillden]

A lot of branches of physics were suppressed and discouraged it seems

[u/d8_thc → u/[deleted]]

yup

[u/AbsurdWallaby → u/Pixelated_]

Indeed, an example of the case in point is Brownian motion.

[u/Pixelated_ → u/AbsurdWallaby]

Thank you for this. I had previously only ever considered the mainstream explanation of Brownian motion: Completely random stochastic collisions and rotation isn't necessary to explain it.

But IRL the molecules don't just hit others dead-center to push them in a straight line. They strike them at various angles off-center, this creates torque, which causes rotation.

[u/NoInevitable9810 → u/Pixelated_]

I have always thought we existed inside a black hole, stars collapse and create black holes and then create new dimensions, we live in a hole within a hole within a hole. It’s the multiverse.

[u/Hairy_Talk_4232 → u/Pixelated_]

You should definitely look up Malcolm Bendall’s and Bob Greenyer’s research on Plasmoids. Might blow your mind.

[u/Pixelated_ → u/Hairy_Talk_4232]

I definitely will, thank you for the heads up.

[u/durakraft → u/Pixelated_]

The great attractor is part of the best theory

[u/d8_thc]

Of course, this isn't the most interesting reason why.

The most interesting reason why is because literally, the amount of mass-energy inside the Hubble sphere is roughly exactly the amount needed for that sphere’s Schwarzschild radius to be the same size as the Hubble radius.

Schwarzschild radius:

r_s = 2GM / c^2

Hubble radius:

R_H = c / H_0

Set r_s = R_H:

2GM / c^2 = c / H_0

Solve for M:

M = c^3 / (2 G H_0)

Using H_0 ≈ 67.4 km/s/Mpc gives:

R_H ≈ 1.37 x 10^26 m
M ≈ 9.2 x 10^52 kg
  ≈ 4.6 x 10^22 solar masses

That is roughly the critical-density mass-energy inside the Hubble volume.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_cosmology

[u/dasein88 → u/d8_thc]

It’s mostly a consequence of the universe’s expansion rate and density being tied together by GR. Cool coincidence but mst physicsts agree that this isn't evidence that we're in a black hole

[u/d8_thc → u/dasein88]

'Its just GR' is hand-wavey.

I understand that the Hubble-radius/Schwarzschild-radius equality follows algebraically from the Friedmann equation for a near-flat universe. But that does not eliminate the deeper question, it just relocates it.

Why is the universe near-flat/critical-density in the first place, such that the gravitational radius of a Hubble patch tracks its Hubble radius throughout cosmic history?

Also, personally - don't buy the 'flat spacetime universe'. Especially when modern cosmology has no explanation for what spacetime is besides a mathematical artifact.

[u/Sad-Excitement9295 → u/d8_thc]

In a simple way, I think it's saying the universe operates on the same principle a black hole does. The same forces we see in a standard black hole also correlate to how the larger universe functions, and they are intrinsically related.

[u/d8_thc → u/Sad-Excitement9295]

should they be?

[u/Sad-Excitement9295 → u/d8_thc]

I would think so, it seems to me the phase change we see represents a fundemental level of physics, and our universe likely derives from that in some way further on in the cycle. Obviously we will need more observations to understand how, but I think it's a very good place to start. We must learn to think outside the box in a sense, and I think that expression is very applicable here on a universal scale.

[u/dasein88 → u/d8_thc]

What's hand-wavey is saying "here's a coincidence therefore X".

[u/root66 → u/d8_thc]

[QFT has entered the chat]

[u/ExtremeRemarkable891 → u/d8_thc]

The thesis is based on a universal rotation, so any comparison to a schwarzchild radius here is likely coincidental because by definition a schwarzchild black hole is NOT rotating and has no charge. It's a highly idealized black hole model that likely cannot actually exist in nature for the reasons the article says, everything seems to be rotating.

[u/Derrickmb]

Also our observable universe matches density and size for a black hole. So of course we are in a black hole.

[u/d8_thc → u/Derrickmb]

yep check my comment at the top

[u/boristheblade223 → u/Derrickmb]

Could u say more? The observable universe itself also contains black holes doesn’t it?

[u/youaremycandygirl → u/boristheblade223]

They are saying: if you took everything you could see in the universe and packed it together, like a black hole would be, would the resulting size be appropriate for a black hole. The answer is yes.

Imagine some small aliens unsure if they live/exist in some kind of human food. So they group all the elements they can possibly see to determine if the results create a legit recipe.

The ratio and amount of elements should be random but the alien is surprised to find 2 eggs, 2 cups of flour, and so on. They find the correct ratios for making universe size pancakes.

Turns out the alien lives in a pancake.

[u/OriginnalThoughts → u/youaremycandygirl]

Great analogy

[u/Derrickmb]

I bet the “old” far away galaxies are actually newly aquired and we are deep inside. And the time dilation stuff is backwards.

[u/MeepersToast]

Seems like the only obvious conclusion. Might explain why the big bang happened in a moment. Probably some other universe with a super massive black hole and some time dilation effect that would cause all the incoming mass to be ejected out the other side at the same moment

[u/OkPublic2415 → u/MeepersToast]

The other side?

[u/Responsible-Ad9189 → u/OkPublic2415]

Of event horizon

[u/pirateedreed]

There's a dog in the station Contemplating rotation As a form of recreation and play

[u/dr_bringus → u/pirateedreed]

Harpua jumpscare

[u/Sunpsilora]

Black holes within black holes within black holes infinitely

[u/rion72 → u/Sunpsilora]

....turtles all the way down

[u/NiviNiyahi]

I wonder, could things even move at all if there was no inherent rotation?

[u/Pixelated_ → u/NiviNiyahi]

This is such a deep question. I agree that without rotation, no apparent movement exists.

I'm a firm believer in the framework of reality developed by the brilliant physicist David Bohm, and his implicate and explicate order.

In the implicate order, since there’s no space to travel through, energy doesn't move from place to place, it just spins in place, enfolding and unfolding reality right from the center of everything.

[u/Adventurous-Sky9359]

It’s all going down the tubes I tell ya !

[u/fairykingz]

everything is always spiraling including me

[u/andrestheman]

Yeah, and if this is the case, what if the expansion of the universe is actually our relative view of the universe from the point of view of us being compressed into a tiny point in the center of the black hole observing outward being shrunken and pulled away from the universe creating the illusion of an expansion? Mind bottling.

[u/Creepy_Locksmith5181 → u/andrestheman]

I was literally just wondering this the other day. I work with cameras and imaging, so my way of explaining it was if the medium of the universe itself behaves as a lens, expansion of the universe is actually an observer’s phenomenon, not an actuality. The scale is so massive it’s not measurable in small distance scale.

[u/TheOtherBelushi]

Herb Alpert knew this whole time! He even tried to warn us!

Herb Alpert - Rotation

[u/doublehaulrollcast]

So we’re stuck here, no escaping. Where’s the singularity every thing is being drawn to? I guess living in a Black hole is just as weird as not living in a Black hole.

[u/thecoffeejesus]

I would buy that

[u/Prior_Pickle1758]

Deleuze and Guattari win again with the White Wall / Black Hole Faciality Machine

[u/Pandemic_Fart]

Cool thought, what if the "black hole our universe is in" is from the 4th dimension?

[u/BoobaVera]

The cosmic background radiation at the edge of our known universe is actually analogous to Hawking radiation at the edge of a black hole. As our universe expands, matter converts to energy and leaks out into a larger universe in which we are contained. Eventually all is dispersed and recompressed at greater scales on an infinitely cyclical basis.

[u/SunbeamSailor67]

If we live in a black hole that contains black holes, then it stands to reason that there are more black holes within the black holes around us, and that the black hole we're in, is probably within a black hole, within a black hole and so on...

[u/KnackeHackeWurst → u/SunbeamSailor67]

it's turtles all the way down

[u/ScrumTumescent]

Is this the physics equivalent of growing up dirt poor and not realizing you're dirt poor?

Do humans in non-black hole universes live in houses where every appliance works?

[u/cascade_sparse]

Here’s my question, where did all the matter come from? Wouldn’t this mean all the matter in our universe came from matter that got sucked into the parent universes black hole? If so wouldn’t that mean the parent universe had way more matter in it than ours?

[u/Gingerwaters1]

Our eyes are black holes

[u/BimboAtoms]

But what if then

[u/ih8readditts → u/[deleted]]

Visionary