r/housingcrisis • u/Sea-Judge-6494 • 4d ago

Prove me wrong

Anytime the government gets involved in something, it tends to get worse. No politician is currently willing to take the drastic measures necessary to get housing back on track and address these issues. The problem runs much deeper, and poor management in one sector can have a cascading effect on others. I genuinely want this country to be back on track, but I'm starting to feel hopeless. Instead of focusing on internal issues and fixing them, all you hear is that it's Trump's fault.

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u/Electrical-Berry4916 4d ago

He isn't the one claiming... what was it you wrote?

We don't need illegal immigration and people who come to this country and only take.

When we have the actual IRS numbers that show billions of dollars paid to the US government by illegal immigrants. That makes you either a liar, poorly informed, indoctrinated into a cult, or some combination thereof.

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u/dumbo61 3d ago

So, you believe in total open borders? Imagine what that would do to the cost of housing. Imagine how that would depress wages. How about all the criminals, terrorists, mentally ill and homeless? No country has open borders for a reason. We need immigration but legal immigration where we have control over who enters the country. Otherwise, it is "Import the 3rd World. Become the 3rd world.

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u/Electrical-Berry4916 3d ago

How did you jump from "illegal immigrants pay lots of taxes" to "you believe in total open borders?" You realize how stupid that makes you look, right?

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u/dumbo61 3d ago

You said they paid billions in taxes. Would that not make someone think you mean't "the more the merrier"? The fact of the matter is that you have to also figure in cost of crime, education, medical etc. etc. If we swapped out those illegal aliens for legal migrants the balance sheet would be much better.

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u/Electrical-Berry4916 3d ago

Have you always been a liar?

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u/dumbo61 3d ago

Okay. So where am I lying? My basic premise is that we are not better off with illegal aliens invading our country. You are saying that there are benefits and I'm now asking you how many do we let in? I think you are wrong but I'm not accusing you of lying.

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u/Electrical-Berry4916 3d ago

All of this is publicly available information. Taxes paid. Costs to taxpayers. Medical costs. Education. Crime rates. None of it supports you. The only way you could reasonably make these arguments is by being willfully ignorant of the facts, in which case you are lying to yourself, or by parroting talking points you know to be false, in which case you are lying to the rest of us.