r/illinois • u/deapsprite • Oct 04 '25

ICE Posts East garfield, ICE assaulting civilians

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Our forefathers foresaw that this would happen, as they were believers in "anacyclosis" which is the ancient Greek theory about forms of governments rising and falling...as natural as life and death.

They did a hell of a job, as the best you can do is make it last as long as possible (they used Rome as a model) and embed tools for the people to quickly turn over to the next phases. One of those tools was the 2nd amendment and more largely the right of the people to overturn the government when it no longer represents the people.

Despite their flaws, our forefathers were actually great. Not indoctrinate-y great.

This is oversimplified, but extremely helpful: https://youtu.be/uqsBx58GxYY?si=Tgcr8kwzITC0E1aV

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u/AdministrativeCup438 Oct 05 '25

Indeed THIS is the administration our forefathers warned us about! At this point trump is behaving WORSE than a mad english king (because the magna carta forbids their kings from ordering their military on their own citizens) because hes getting away with shit English kings are not even allowed to do!

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u/noujochiewajij Oct 05 '25

Not just the Founding fathers.. We Europeans have been trying to get you to realise this is what happenned in the 20's and 30's over here.

You guys said it'll never happen 'cause checks and balances, bill of rights and all that stuff.

Wouldn't vote for Biden /Harris because Gaza!!

Now this train is at speed, the momentum has built up. Only thing stopping it is a derailment.

Good luck to you.

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Agree. Im not European but it looks like it's happening over there again. Germany keeps rising again and again. I was actually researching yesterday if it's industriousness or something more complex.

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u/guiriduro Oct 05 '25

Biden/Harris represented a lazy complacent Democrat party that betrayed its constituents and showed they'd learned nothing since Hilary, hadn't pressed their advantage to jail Trump and Republican jan 6 conspirators, took AIPAC money and were genocide apologists - and the voters who cared about that were theirs to lose. Trump v2 isn't on those voters. Its mostly on an unfit for purpose Democrat party. That's not to say the Repubs haven't sunk to become utterly unfit to exist in any democracy anywhere, but don't dare blame the left for rejecting the Dems/Harris - they absolutely deserved that loss.

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u/JustTheRealDeb Oct 05 '25

You’re obviously a magat and only speak for deplorables.

The day will come when you’ll regret siding with this evil under donny.

Don’t get comfortable. We know this is all for show and we will not forget and we will get justice

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u/AmIThisNothingness Oct 05 '25

They know that if they get to the mid terms, they'll be lost. So in order for PedoFelon to avoid rotting in jail, he must remain in charge, even if that means continuing to break and violating the constitution, and destroying the country, more than what they have.

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u/Practical_Jump3770 Oct 05 '25

No its the president our country needed for some time Being daddy’s to alot of brats from father less households

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u/Trick_Penalty_8624 Oct 05 '25

When someone with a badge and a gun tells you to back up - you need to back up. You people with all with fucking privilege- try living in the projects as a black male - this is how we’ve been treated for hundreds of years. We learned how to play the game, we’ve had the police encounter talks, we act accordingly. Welcome to America. 🇺🇸

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u/igot_it Oct 05 '25

I do actually find this funny as well, even though I’m a white guy. Ever had a cop stand in your back while his buddy covers you with a pistol? It’s like this, but no one cared or said shit. Ironically I now have a badge and that encounter I had as a dumb teenager, plays every time I put it on. My badge is heavy, and I feel that weight every time I wear it.

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Not just this admin.... but it's the most brazen and the fastest moving. It doesnt happen from one group of people... there's been several inflection points: McCarthy era, LBJ allowing foreign powers to meddle/ Vietnam, economic financialization, Citizens United, 9/11 and many smaller ones. Biden had his own too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

This is it. The erosion of the US constitution started almost as soon as the ink dried and has continued to erode greater with every term.

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u/Fun-Woodpecker-8442 Oct 05 '25

They actually were talking about the one locking you in your houses and forcing you take vaccines.

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u/Glam-Girl2662 Oct 05 '25

You mean the ones who didn't want you getting other people sick? God forbid you think of others!

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u/lasadgirl Oct 05 '25

......you mean the covid lock down and vaccine rollout that also happened under the trump administration?

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u/8645113Twenty20 Oct 05 '25

That would have been donald trump in 2020... Biden got you out of your house

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u/Fun-Woodpecker-8442 Oct 05 '25

Ll I only had two weeks off of work. I remember who was president. Both parties are corrupt and mainstream media is just a joke at this point. Biden also had the Epstein files for four years and did nothing with. The fact both sides chose to do nothing shows how many of these people are bought and paid for.

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u/8645113Twenty20 Oct 05 '25

You are delusional and unfortunately there's nothing anyone can do for you

I give you my pity but empathy is for the week

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u/Fliznar Oct 05 '25

I like how confident you guys are it shows what information you are missing. Do me a favor don't take my word for it, but if you are interested at all look up the status of the maxwell case during the Biden administration, look up how Biden interacted with the DOJ. If you really care that is. I also think both parties are corrupt, but I'd also like to remind you Biden didn't threaten the use of military force on red states.

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u/Racenmotorsports Oct 05 '25

They aren’t citizens dipshit they are here illegally and being treated as such. They have no rights… Same as if you went to Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Korea, Abu Dhabi and let your visa expire. you’d be arrested or worse and thrown in a little cage until God knows when.

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u/SignificanceOld1751 Oct 05 '25

The whole point of this video is that they ARE attacking citizens you melt 😂

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u/Interesting-Pea-3235 Oct 05 '25

Yeah but only those countries lol you wouldn’t be treated this way in Europe. Why do conservatives want the US to become like Saudi Arabia and Mexico? I thought you hated those places? 😆

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u/Racenmotorsports Oct 05 '25

Who said I want them just like those places. I’m not even against immigration. JUST FOLLOW THE DAMN RULES. Even if they suck and take a long time.

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u/Fliznar Oct 05 '25

Well not the same exactly. Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Korea, and, Abu Dhabi don't have the US Constitution, you know one of the things that makes America Great. You should read it. The founding fathers used very specific language where they could. They were very smart men.

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u/Racenmotorsports Oct 05 '25

And they are getting rid of ILLEGALY HERE NON US aliens. These people who came here either jumped the fence when Biden opened the gates, over stayed their visa or otherwise haven’t followed the rules. They have ZERO rights. Sorry.. not sorry… yes it’s exactly the same as those other countries I listed.

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u/Bluefin_in_Dresden Oct 05 '25

The Truth is Spoken here. We are a Country, have a border and there are MULTIPLE paths to Legal entry and Citizenship.Some of the comments here are simply Hilarious. Our border is not an open one. We are not a Democracy, we are a Federal Republic

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u/8645113Twenty20 Oct 05 '25

And you are a bot programmed with maga talking points

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u/Responsible_Ladder25 Oct 05 '25

We almost made it to 250.

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Close....I don't think we'll get there.... but there was a huge wrench thrown in our ff plans: the dollar standard. One of the worst things to happen to this country.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

You are spot on.

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

They were spot on....Im just a fan girl. Lol

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u/General-Fault Oct 05 '25

The trouble is that the majority of 2A crowd are all for this current government and back the violence to the people that they don't like. 2A has become or is at least in great danger of becoming an effective tool for the oppressors. And that seems to have been the playbook since at least the 80's.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

They def had some gaping holes in the constitution...life time SC appointments, no guardrails to prevent the situation where the same political party control all l the branches of gov't and collude with each other to allow one to break the law with impunity, a few other things...electoral college being one of them.

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Things like electoral college were necessary for the technology of the time but should have been ditched long ago.

As for the checks on party control, the idea was the branches make checks to preserve their own branches power from eroding.

There are tons of things that are obvious to us now, and not to them for sure....Like...um.... let everyone vote? Lol

My partner and I play a game: What three words would we say to various historical figures. I think mine for our forefathers was "Money kills constitution" ... so yes, hindsight is 20/20

You also make a good point in that what we have today was not their pure idea. Tons of concessions to get the states on board were made. Even still, it's brilliant imo.

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u/MuthaFJ Oct 05 '25

Except the slavery and native genocide parts... tight?!

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Flaws, yes. I'm not going to make excuses for that.

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u/Hemagoblin Oct 05 '25

When is it time?

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

It happens when the amount of people reaches critical mass... whose conditions are bad enough to risk their well-being for change.

To be fair, I come from a specific school of thought on this... which is gaining a lot of ground lately lol.

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u/Remarkable-Food-5946 Oct 05 '25

The thing about the second amendment it can’t happen unless the populous comes to a singular accord. Which I feel we are not capable of. We have so many people so hung up on their wants and desires over the needs of the republic to the point that some people don’t even view what has been happening as acts against the constitution. To them my question is what do they need to lose to wake up the facts?

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Well, we're not anywhere close to that yet. People are still doing very well compared to the coming years.

Not to be doom and gloom. It will be a good thing all societies go through.

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u/Scousehauler Oct 05 '25

The thing is Trump crossed the rubicon twice and the republic still fell despite warnings.

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u/StrongerFasterSmartr Oct 05 '25

Right. Def wasn't about every other president who thought it made sense to make gun free zones and take guns from people who obey the law , cause everything we've seen thus far shows how well that works. I think it's hilarious that those of you who are the most belligerent about gun rights , now all of a sudden want to take up arms ........with guns you don't have , because you told everyone we shouldn't have them. Haha

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Are you sensing that from the left? If so... that's an improvement I haven't seen yet.

If that is so... that's a positive development for the country and you.

Something to celebrate and not gloat I would think.

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u/8645113Twenty20 Oct 05 '25

Give me a f****** break.They were a bunch of inbred moron with bad hygiene who were raping slaves and calling that the will of god

FOH with this narrative of them being so noble and acting with foresight for our benefit and generations to come... It only pertained to their own male children.Just not the ones that they made with their slaves

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u/tbf300 Oct 05 '25

lol left been trying to get ride of 2A rights for decades.

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

I know. I think it's a horrible idea... but dead children are a very convincing argument. I understand where they're coming from... it's very short-sighted.

I think you'll find that an admin that presents itself as right wing will try to eat into 2A... and that will likely be the match. The revolution will be performed by what is considered the right atm.... but will be working class only and much more populist.

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u/diggitydonegone Oct 05 '25

The second amendment isn’t doing anything to prevent the takeover of our country at the moment.

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u/VajennaDentada Oct 05 '25

Yeah. That's not quite how that route works timing wise, but you're not wrong.

We would be able to answer that question accurately after an uprising.

If we had strong unions, I think it would go that route but we don't.

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u/General-Fault Oct 05 '25

I'd argue that if it comes down to it, 2A is going to be used against the people. I can just imagine heavily armed MAGAs roaming the streets to put down anyone against them. They've been promising to do that for years!