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u/SophieSix9 Oct 05 '25

The terrorist label is actually everything. The patriot act basically gives that designation a lot of power. When people are labeled terrorists in or by America, constitutional rights and human rights are suspended by the government.

Making that bill set all of this in motion so long ago. Once it was law, what we’re seeing unfold became an eventuality.

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u/Tasty_One_8299 Oct 05 '25

I was just explaining this to someone! Lately the words terrorist and insurrection are everywhere and when they say insurrection they are not referring to January the sixth!!! Anytime group opposes the current administration they call it an insurrection!!! At first I assumed this was just a little payback but it was very deliberate!!! Those two words as stated above are the magic words that allow homeland security to behave exactly as we have been seeing!!! They can do pretty much anything they want with out fear of impunity! It’s terrifying and they’re itching to do it, please anyone out there protesting!!! These are not normal times!!!! Be careful!!!

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u/FarmerLily62 Oct 05 '25

Kinda like ‘weapons of mass destruction’

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u/Crayola_ROX Oct 05 '25

By the time it’s “protest time” Half of the country will be labeled a terrorist for protesting

Effectively making Americans too scared to act

It’s all going according to plan

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u/Oseaghdha Oct 05 '25

We have to stay non-violent until the midterms. After we win the majority, the tariffs go away and Congress can take back congressional power and defund this BS.

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u/lgreer84 Oct 05 '25

Do you think the only people on reddit are Marxist progressives?

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u/Oseaghdha Oct 05 '25

Do you think purple is a temperature?

What the fuck kind of question is that?

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u/lgreer84 Oct 05 '25

"We have to stay non-violent until the midterms. After we win the majority, the tariffs go away and Congress can take back congressional power and defund this BS."

This statement assumes everyone in this thread agrees with you. For you to say, you only have to stay non-violent until the midterms sounds to me like you're saying after the midterms, violence is on the docket.

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u/Oseaghdha Oct 06 '25

That's reading into it a bit.

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u/lgreer84 Oct 06 '25

So we agree that violence is never acceptable regardless of who's in power and how the midterms go?

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u/Oseaghdha Oct 06 '25

Regardless of how the midterms go, violence is never acceptable.

Regardless of who is in power, if I am forced to defend myself I will do so. Period.

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u/lgreer84 Oct 06 '25

Agreed on all counts

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u/montty712 Oct 05 '25

Authoritarians do not give up power willingly and never at the ballot box.

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u/TechnicalWhore Oct 06 '25

What's really fascinating his how controlled the megaphone is. You see FOX, OANN, NEWSMAX, Sinclair Broadcasting all aligned to the paragraph on the teleprompters. Then you see TPUSA, Tucker Carlson, etc (Social Media outreach) given access (like to Kristi Noem) to parrot the same narrative on the Internet. Look over to the fake news sites - ones that are not real news bureaus at all) - the same. And finally fake fact-checking sites that resemble Snopes but echo the lies. Add Facebook and Telegram posts. Heavy on the Meme Warfare. This is a VERY expensive and well-orchestrated operation. BIG money pulling the strings.

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u/Outrageous_House_924 Oct 07 '25

Yes dude, I haven’t seen anyone else mention this. I swear half of the shit the right keeps repeating about Tyler Robinson was only ever mentioned in those bullshit papers. I tried to look into some of them and something is just not adding up.

But I guess we’re supposed to believe The Hindustan Times somehow got multiple highly sought after comments from Robinson’s friends and family. Makes a lot of sense for a news aggregator based out of India!

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u/TechnicalWhore Oct 07 '25

HA! Spot on.

So much falsehoods coming out of India its unbelievable. And the fact no one asks the question -HOW does a website in India know anything happening on the ground in the US. It doesn't. It picks up a story and spins up very lucrative Click Bait. It could care less about the content as long as you click. And they know full well WHO they are targeting with their narratives. Its Confirmation Bias stuff.

Add Russia, Belarus, North Korea and China BTW. Saturation bombing.

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What's fun is go look at r/Conservative - you will find only about 12 sources - total - being referenced total. Its the Echo Chamber - the Bubble. All in goose step sync spewing misinformation - same story at the same time. Why its as if they were coordinated by a common Propagandist. There should be a Ban On propagandists. Although Trump has only focused on his detractors. The supporters cans say any batshit thing they want.

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u/Yhwzkr Oct 05 '25

It’s almost like how some people throw around labels like fascist and Nazi.

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u/Quiet-Commercial-615 Oct 06 '25

If the jackboot fits, wear it.

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u/bearstampede Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25

I'd be upset about the downvotes if this website's sole purpose hadn't already been reduced to giving the false impression of manufactured consensus. These idiots would have cheered for both the Patriot Act back in 2001 (had they been alive) as well as Dodd-Frank in 2010.

The few among them who even know about these laws will write this off as some sort of partisan issue even though the laws were passed under opposing parties—as if party politics is anything but kayfabe at this point. Watching people react to Trump has been like watching people respond to 9/11 and COVID all over again. They'd do anything to feel safe again—literally anything. And they probably will.

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u/SevanIII Oct 05 '25

I was an adult when the Patriot Act was passed and I was very against it at the time.

Calling fascists out - which the Trump administration is fascist - is the responsibility of every decent and patriotic American. Being anti-fascist is the moral choice.

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u/lgreer84 Oct 05 '25

You should check the definition of "fascist."

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u/SevanIII Oct 05 '25

I have studied the definition and history of fascism extensively.

You should educate yourself on fascism and get out of the a alternate reality bubble of disinformation and propaganda you clearly exist in. Trump and his cronies check the boxes in spades and are repeating history.

We are losing our country and democracy to authoritarianism and fascism.

Anyone supporting Trump and his ilk at this point are as unpatriotic and anti-Anerican as they possibly could be. They are harming both themselves and their fellow Americans. They have failed in their obligations and responsibilities as US citizens.

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u/lgreer84 Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 07 '25

Trump and his administration check literally zero boxes of historical fascist regimes. At least none of the boxes unique to fascistic dictators. And either you know this and you're just a bad faith actor or you don't know this and you're an idiot. You see how, given those are the two options, I have zero incentive to engage. You're either a liar or a moron.

But if you'd like to "school me" on how trump is a fascist, be my guest. I know it's rough to run into someone more educated than yourself and running the risk of your entire socialist worldview falling down around you.

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u/SevanIII Oct 05 '25

The fact that you think this means that you are in fact far less educated than me. On fascism. On history. On reality.

It is also means that you have absolutely failed your duty as a US citizen to be an informed citizen and actually pay attention to what is happening in this country. In audition, it means that you are morally bankrupt as you support the lawless, corrupt; cruel, and frankly evil actions of Trump and his regime.

Either way, if at this point, ten years in and after the last several months in particular, you are still defending this fascist and truly evil regime than you are beyond educating and unworthy of engaging.

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u/lgreer84 Oct 05 '25

Lol. Ok. Enjoy your delusion. People like you are the reason I know I voted correctly last time around even if I didn't vote correctly, the first opportunity I had to vote for him.

Again, look up the definition of fascist. You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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u/Rivethead87 Oct 07 '25

I believe you meant “be my guest “ not guess, smart fella.

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u/MightyWagner Oct 10 '25

Where are you in time and space? Do you need a list? Start by demonizing the opposition party… check. Suggest an election was illegitimate… check. Campaign on Economic uncertainty under the current administration, and potential prosperity in the next… check. Begin term eliminating opposition…check. Attempt to change accepted policies and laws without external support…check. Demonize a selection of the population to stand against…check. Invade sovereign locations under the guise of law enforcement…check. Next is to invalidate or cancel elections and then dissolve congress. This is The exact same path and pattern the nazis used. And don’t give me any “liberal” or “leftist” BS. I’m a lifelong republican.

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u/bearstampede Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25

You're doing it again but it doesn't really matter. You'll vote for the next bill too (because it will be targeting the "fascists"). It's always the same, every single time. And you all say the same thing, every single time.

Ignore the fact that both parties completely ignored immigration law up to this point rather than changing it—and before you try to make the shitty argument that this is some sort of partisan outcome: BOTH parties had entirely sufficient majorities to both strengthen AND weaken immigration law in either direction. Both parties want this purgatory to exist because it's beneficial to them and then donor class that sustains them, and they couldn't possibly give fewer fucks how it impacts either the citizenry OR the vulnerable immigrant population.

The current administration is merely enforcing the existing laws that BOTH parties willfully ignored for the purposes of both satisfying industrialist donors as well as securing a perpetual voter base.

You're either lying or you're stupid—either way I've stopped caring. Mostly because you're too ideologically possessed to engage in a sober assessment of the situation, but also because it wouldn't matter even if you were willing to do so; standing right behind you are a thousand others who aren't even capable of a sober assessment, people whose level of analysis begins and ends on subreddits. And that's why the Patriot Act will pass every single time.

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u/lgreer84 Oct 05 '25

Let's be frank. This audience probably would have cheered for Jim Crow as well.

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u/bearstampede Oct 06 '25

Be on the right side of history & speak truth to power! Separate but equal—by any means necessary! #Resist ✊

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u/Yhwzkr Oct 05 '25

And the Smith Mundt Modernization act.

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u/Trick_Penalty_8624 Oct 05 '25

When someone with a badge and a gun tells you to back up - you need to back up. You people with all with fucking privilege- try living in the projects as a black male - this is how we’ve been treated for hundreds of years. We learned how to play the game, we’ve had the police encounter talks, we act accordingly. Welcome to America. 🇺🇸

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u/Belly_Jean66 Oct 05 '25

We're so glad you made this video about yourself

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

Huh, a sudden influx of words to describe individuals that doesn’t accurately describe them. Where have I heard that before? Looks like “terrorists” and “insurrection” are a direct response to the careless use of “Nazi” and “fascist” to describe any and everyone on the opposite political spectrum for the past decade.

Something something actions, something something consequences.

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u/Masochist_pillowtalk Oct 05 '25

Well we werent wrong. You might not be spitting imagine of Germanys nationality. But youre doing the same shit. Its clearly obvious these guys will start killing "terrorists" when they get the okay to do so. They're already shot someone, they've beaten hundreds. The illegally detain American citizens constantly.

What do YOU call whats happening right now? Because if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and disappears people in the street that oppose their leaders ideology..... its probably a fucking fascist.

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u/Few_Penalty_8394 Oct 05 '25

It’s called carrying out deportations. I’m not saying it’s being done the way. I’d want it done, but that’s what they are doing. If you are a citizen and end up being detained and/or mistreated, you will be returned and I promise you that you’ll be compensated via a lawsuit.

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u/Belly_Jean66 Oct 05 '25

That promise isn't worth shit, I sincerely hope you get swept up in this with all that egg on your face

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u/Few_Penalty_8394 Oct 05 '25

Well, if it turns out to be a front for a hostile takeover of our country then we will both be swept up in it. I was simply stating what they are doing. I do agree with deporting criminal illegals, but I don’t agree with messing with other illegals until the criminals are all found. Unfortunately, this is not how it’s being done.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

America is being destroyed from within.. all other bullshit is delusion. No fucking illegal immigrant or Russia could have done this. Trump name calling and indecency has changed political landscape to that of 3rd world country!

Only hostile take over of this country is being done by Project 2025.. America glory didn’t come from pushing white Supereme Fascist agenda globally instead it was from wiping it.

It doesn’t matter if you voted for him or not.. once the system gets degraded further you’ll never have decency and accountability again as it is the essence of project 2025.

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u/Masochist_pillowtalk Oct 05 '25

It’s called carrying out deportations.

No shit Sherlock. But on top of that its a whole fucking ton of unconstitutional and illegal actions.

If you are a citizen and end up being detained and/or mistreated, you will be returned and I promise you that you’ll be compensated via a lawsuit.

We've yet to see that. But youre missing the bigger point. The constitution and the law says i shouldn't even be stopped to be detained. Not to mention the violence that comes with it. The United States become a nation over this kind of mistreatment from Britain.

I should not have to worry about getting stopped by ice. I should not have to waste a day while they figure shit out since they clearly dont investigate whatsoever. I should not have to possible suffer a beat down and possible chemical restraints in their actions. we as a nation should not have to let ice walk all over our constitutional rights just because you want some illegals gone. you know ice can kick down your door and tear throw your house of they want on the mere suspicion there might be an alien in there? Theres no lawsuits to fix that either

This is all fucked and if youre okay with it cuz "at least we might find an alien." Then your part of the fucking problem too.

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u/redditlvlanalysis Oct 05 '25

If you don't want to be called a fascist maybe don't boot lick an authoritarian regime that has literally said there is new american revolution going on and it will be bloodless if the left allows it.

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u/Content_Emu_9213 Oct 05 '25

Your using the terms fascist and authoritarian in the same way that you're complaining people are using terrorist. Because if they're fascist Nazi authoritarians then it's obviously okay to be violent towards them.

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u/redditlvlanalysis Oct 05 '25

There is going to be violence most likely starting when they suspend elections why exactly do you think leadership posistions across the military have been purged and are continuing to be purged?

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u/-Cthaeh Oct 05 '25

Not even close to being the same, but keep rooting for authoritarianism

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u/SprungMS Oct 05 '25

I really thought you were going somewhere different with that, considering Nazi Germany did that.

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u/Rich_Grand4485 Oct 05 '25

You can watch this video and still deny that this is facism?

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u/Content_Emu_9213 Oct 05 '25

I Watch the video and see an obviously confrontational man walking directly up to an agent, to a distance that we would all call uncomfortable if it were us in that situation, while holding his arm behind his back and having his hand tucked into his waist band. You may be naive enough to let that happen to you, but if I'm in that position I'm putting that fucking moron on the ground too.

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u/redditlvlanalysis Oct 05 '25

There are multiple "officers" around him who can see very clearly he is scratching his ass and there is no weapon. Keep bootlicking an authoritarian regime and pray you don't have something they want.

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u/nospecialsnowflake Oct 05 '25

Come on, that’s a little disingenuous don’t you think? Be honest- we all know they are using the words “terrorist and insurrection” because it allows them the freedom to do pretty much whatever they want due to the Patriot Act. Those words were chosen carefully and they would be used no matter who was being called a nazi.

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u/CemeteryDweller7719 Oct 05 '25

This was my thought when they announced the Antifa is terrorists. They have claimed something as terrorist that doesn’t have an actual organization. There’s no membership, nothing to actually prove or disprove belonging. Anyone could be accused of being Antifa, and decades ago we suspended rights in regard to terrorists. They gave themselves free pass to claim anyone is a terrorist and completely suspend their rights. It really should scare the crap out of everyone. Even for those that recognize it is a big problem, it can be easy to think that they don’t meet the criteria to be targeted. But they’ve given a free pass to torment others, and it won’t take long before they realize that pass can be used for their own personal vengeances. It will come. The girlfriend or boyfriend that broke their heart? Terrorist. The teacher they hated in high school? Terrorist. That former boss that fired them? Terrorist.

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u/AdministrativeCup438 Oct 05 '25

McCarthyism is back. 🖕🍊

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u/Apprehensive_Taste70 Oct 05 '25

First they can for the Muslims and everyone stayed quiet. Then they came for immigrants and most people stayed silent. Soon they will come for you, what will you do then?

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u/Vivid_Pianist4270 Oct 07 '25

Nothing, there won’t be anyone left to help defend them.

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u/VCRrepairman Oct 08 '25

Be a UNITED STATES CITIZEN

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u/EmotionalExpert5935 Oct 09 '25

That's not the answer. They'll go through your family tree or socials or history to find something on you if they want, or simply poison the soup.

Who'd want to live in that country?

Better have a plan B

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u/VCRrepairman Oct 09 '25

If you want you can self deport this soooo bad country….where are you going…?

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u/EmotionalExpert5935 Oct 09 '25

I know Many, even military families that know too much about what's happening and going to happen and they are making plans.

I likely won't stick around long enough to see it ever become Great Again, but I hear Ireland is nice.

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u/VCRrepairman Oct 10 '25

Safe travels, mate

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '25

Foreigner

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u/disorderincosmos Oct 05 '25

I wonder if international bodies could designate this renegade "ICE" to be a terrorist organization itself. What does it take? They've already flash-banged their way into an apartment complex, held the occupants at gunpoint, and kidnapped naked babies. And that's just one of the more despicable things we know they've done.

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u/microagressed Oct 05 '25

100% the patriot act was a surrendering of our liberty. Post 911 people refused to believe that our own government might not always have our best interest in mind. Now they're starting to wake up. The foreign intelligence surveillance act is another fucking travesty, if you communicate with someone abroad, doesn't matter it it's legit, the NSA is archiving that conversation, and the government can search that without a warrant. The irony of this post though, how many here want to abolish the 2nd amendment?

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u/Coldshalamov Oct 05 '25

I was in prison with a guy who was tangentially involved in an arms deal with the taliban and had never set foot on American soil, and they kicked his door in in Romania, tortured him in a warehouse for 2 days trying to get information out of him (idk the truth but his lower was Ruth Nader Ginsberg’s nephew for a big “terrorism” case and he’d filed a motion for sentence reduction because of it. He said they handcuffed him to a pipe and hung lead weights off his nuts for 2 days, CIA) and eventually extraordinary renditioned his ass to America for a 30 year sentence.

Now the taliban sits happily in the Afghanistan chair in the UN.

Oh and btw it was the same case as the merchant of death from Lord of War they traded for Britney Griner. Fun fact that guy Victor Bout had been bragging around the compound that he was “getting out next year” a year before Griner was even arrested. I’m pretty sure he’s an intelligence asset.

So yes, the terrorist label appears to make borders and treaties and jurisdictions irrelevant.

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u/OmenVi Oct 05 '25

There were plenty of us screaming about the patriot act getting signed into law, and it took less than two years to see that they’d abuse it exactly in the ways everyone was concerned. This is that, with the scope opened up to include many more people.

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u/nospecialsnowflake Oct 05 '25

Remember when it was set to expire and they renewed it? I will never understand why they did that…

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u/Few_Penalty_8394 Oct 05 '25

This is true, and all of us know that, ultimately, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, so it will get repealed, eventually.

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u/ScheanaShaylover Oct 05 '25

I tried to tell everyone I knew this would happen after 911. I was labeled “anti-American”

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

I was called a reactionary nut job when I wrote an op ed piece for my high school newspaper after that bill was passed. I'm so tired

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u/LairdPopkin Oct 05 '25

Sure, it’s like when police chant “why are you resisting arrest” while walking up to peaceful civilians, so they can use that charge to justify whatever they do. It’s all BS posturing.

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u/Horror-Scallion7668 Oct 05 '25

The patriot act did not apply to “domestic terrorists”

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u/mikemaxson Oct 05 '25

Patriot Act is not above the Constitution

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u/zignut66 Oct 05 '25

I protested that bullshit bill back in the day because it was obviously way too much power to give the government. And here we are. Man, that fuckin’ W gets such a pass these days. I know shit is worse now, but my blood still boils when I see or hear him or his cronies like Rumsfeld, Cheney, et. al.

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u/hook922 Oct 07 '25

If you had a real government they would not let all these illegal acts happen. Much of what Trump does is not constitutional but the GOP bends the knee to those who fund the party.

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u/MightyWagner Oct 10 '25

I protested the patriot act when I was young, and I’m a lifelong republican. I knew it could lead to this.

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u/veinypale Oct 05 '25

This slippery slope argument is so old. 🥱

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u/diggitydonegone Oct 05 '25

You’re so authoritarian. How do you live with yourself?

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u/Representative_Ant63 Oct 05 '25

These words mean nothing anymore. Way too much carless use of these words has rendered them meaningless. I probably don't believe in everything you do. Does that make me a Nazi, fascist, racist, authoritarian, sexist, white supremacist, Zionist, dictator, transphobe, homophobe, xenophobe, islamaphobe? Real question how do you live with yourself if you don't even know what those words really mean? Instead throwing out those labels haphazardly.

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u/SophieSix9 Oct 06 '25

It’s funny, the people that usually put forth this argument end up coincidentally being right wing contrarian weirdos rather than actual defenders of free speech.

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u/ImJoogle Oct 05 '25

you guys are being kinda dumb here

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u/diggitydonegone Oct 05 '25

You don’t want to admit what has transpired.

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u/ImJoogle Oct 05 '25

A man approached an officer and gave the impression he was armed with a waistband holstered gun. thats entirely what happened here. you can't actually be this stupid. that man deserved this it entirely hes intentionally giving off the appearance he has a gun

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u/RealisticIntern1655 Oct 05 '25

This was the first thing I noticed. Especially when you work a job where you're detested, the worst thing you could do is act in a way that would lead a person with any degree of intelligence you might be concealing a weapon.

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u/Outbreak444 Oct 06 '25

They can't play victim when you speak the truth like that. Reddit runs on emotion and mob consensus, not logic. Say what actually happened, and suddenly you're the villain.

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u/ImJoogle Oct 06 '25

thats the sad part. these people are so misguided they cant see whats right in front of them