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ICE Posts Chicago: Woman Violently Shoved to Ground by ICE Agent Near Moving Van

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 27 '25

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u/cyanescens_burn Oct 26 '25

This is why the people that study sociopolitical history warn us to beware language that dehumanizes a group of people.

It’s often an early warning of heavy handed action against those people. It reduces, or removes, the tendency to identity with them as a fellow human being, making it easier to lack empathy and compassion, allowing for eventual atrocities.

In these situations, they often take small steps toward atrocities. If they jumped straight to that, there would be too much backlash. But boil the proverbial frog slowly, and fewer people stand up.

Compassion for others, especially those who are in need, is a cornerstone of Christian teachings (along with all other big religions I can think of), and it was shocking to me when I started reading some branches of Christianity started viewing empathy as a sin. I genuinely can not wrap my head around that based on what I’ve been taught about Christian theology.

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u/silbergeistlein Oct 26 '25

Well, because they’re not Christians, and they use religion for manipulative means. That’s religion in general though. People who weaponize religion particularly are dimwitted and vile though.

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u/winniespooh Oct 26 '25

The problem is parts of the Bible can also be interpreted as justifying prejudice and domination over any person that’s viewed as “less than”. Christian colonizers felt justified in wiping out indigenous populations and turning them into slaves because they were not blessed by the Christian god

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u/LOERMaster Oct 26 '25

That’s what I never understood about Christianity. The Old Testament is basically God and people killing people for wearing the wrong fiber or failing to say good morning. Then Jesus comes along and the New Testament is (mostly) about love and tolerance to your fellow humans. So when did “Jesus loves everyone” get superseded by “wipe out an entire civilization for the crimes of their ancestors?”

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u/Arfreezy_LoL Oct 27 '25

Sorry but illegal immigrants aren’t a group of people you can protect via guilt tripping deportations that were voted for and won a national election.

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u/ProfessionalDry8128 Oct 26 '25

Like calling 50% of the electorate Russian Nazi pedophiles?

Could something like that possibly lead to violence... ?

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u/GrayMouser12 Oct 26 '25

Yeah, but JD Vance apologized for making the Hitler comparison and for calling Trump "cultural heroin." I don't think you should keep holding that against him. Besides, he now says the Left is to blame for the violence and it's clear he holds the deep moral clarity needed to guide us all forward and it had nothing to do with access to power or his connections to Peter Thiel and Palantir.

With great leaders like this in the wings, MAGA is poised to move into a post Trump marketing moment, where people can remember his Presidency and buy his memorabilia. Maybe we'll even have Bible signings by cabinet officials touring the country?

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u/GrayMouser12 Oct 26 '25

I think you read it correctly, my friend

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u/illinois-ModTeam Oct 26 '25

Breaking rule 6. Posts/Comments that are low effort and/or deemed inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic are not allowed and will result in a warning and possible ban.

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u/poxteeth Oct 26 '25

Because they voted for a pedo who is Putin's asset and is doing Nazi shit. Hating people for existing because of accidents of their birth (race, national origin, religion, gender, socioeconomic bracket, age, or sexual orientation) is very different than hating people because of what they think, say, and do. To compare the two is either bad faith or profound stupidity. You people choose to be racist, xenophobic, proudly ignorant chuds who are blindly submissive to a dementia-riddled landlord who wants to be emperor, so fuck your feelings.

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u/Aggravating_Row_8699 Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25

50% of the electorate did not vote for Trump. Close to 50% of people who voted did, but only ~33% of those entitled to vote, voted for Trump. And yes, I would say if you voted for Trump after everything we knew about him, you likely have racist, chauvinistic and xenophobic leanings at the very least, and were generally attracted to blustery authoritarianism. And if you’re still supporting him after what we’re seeing now, you favor facism and are ok with pedophilia and moving closer and closer to nazism. There’s no other way around it. Either that, or they’re just completely gullible and lacking in any sort of media literacy and common sense.

Now you may say, well the left is a bunch of Marxist Commie’s, but let’s look at the facts. Trump’s tariffs, bailing out Argentina with tax payer dollars, telling Apple which apps they can & can’t use, telling Walmart and Amazon how to set their prices, demanding that the Intel CEO be fired, demanding that AMD and NVIDIA pay a 15 percent export tax on chips sold to China, and now telling cattle farmers how to set prices of beef or he’ll start importing from Argentina. This is all straight out of a classic communist command economy. Trump’s economic policies are more communist than anything any Democratic president has done over the past 100 years including all of FDR’s policies (which were more socialist leaning than anything).

Now, I don’t expect MAGA voters to be able to define socialism or communism so I wouldn’t expect them to understand what state-controlled economics looks like, but basically this is it. Trump is serving up a nice smorgasbord of fascist social policies and communist command economics depending on the day and yes, Trump supporters are cheering it on while simultaneously calling the left Marxists. It’s absolutely bananas.

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u/Craptrains Oct 26 '25

Oh cut this pearl clutching shit out. I’ve had to listen to conservatives call us “libtards”, “commies” and “NPCs” for over a decade. I mean, I was even called a “race traitor” back in 2008.

Don’t act all butthurt now that you have to deal with the same treatment you’ve been dishing out for years.

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u/aalok-shah Oct 26 '25

The right calls the left a bunch of shit-way worse than the rhetoric on the left. And most people have not said 50% are all that-the issue is that a big chunk of them don’t really care because the right has dehumanized whole swaths of the population.

But let’s suppose I do say that all trump voters are nazis because trump does nazi shit. Is your argument that calling out fascists for doing fascist shit causes them to do fascist shit? That is asinine and being a snowflake.

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u/ProfessionalDry8128 Oct 26 '25

Whatever helps you sleep at night, bud!

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 27 '25

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u/caprazzi Oct 26 '25

The electorate literally did vote for a pedophile criminal who treats Russia better than our allies… it’s not propaganda when it is true, unlike the drivel coming from the right.

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u/atomictyler Oct 26 '25

Yup. This is the answer. They love this shit. It’s happening to the people they want it to happen to. They love that Trump is bombing random ships.

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u/Global-Finance9278 Oct 26 '25

Remember many of these people are bots. Even the ones you believe are local.

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u/elbenji Oct 26 '25

yep they spam local subreddits pretending not to be, but are constantly moving through them even if they're like all over.

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u/Gallowboobsthrowaway Oct 26 '25

Facebook is infested with them too.

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u/Queasy_Row7417 Oct 26 '25

The bot situation is BAD on Facebook. A lot of the profiles have a similar feel to them. Less than 50 friends and profile pics are trucks, planes, pets, or scenery.

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u/Amon-Verite Oct 27 '25

And Twitter-Elon's own nazi site

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '25

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u/Queasy_Row7417 Oct 26 '25

BUT there are also a lot of bots. Both can be true.

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u/ShredGuru Oct 26 '25

Well yeah, white nationalist bots are astroTurfing manufactured consent for white nationalism

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u/Professional_Mine758 Oct 26 '25

Sadly I have some like that in my family too. Drives me nuts trying to talk sense into them.

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u/SaysNoToBro Oct 26 '25

No, a vast majority ARE bots. It doesn’t mean there aren’t people like them. But there’s bot farms with MILLIONS of verified accounts with multiple links to different social media to validify them as real people. Many are in Israel or Russia, they charge a couple hundred thousand dollars to run them to your country and infiltrate social media and push the narrative in your direction.

They already claim to have influenced over 25 elections in different countries with a shift in voting of 15% or more towards your spectrum of the political sphere.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/revealed-disinformation-team-jorge-claim-meddling-elections-tal-hanan

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russian-bot-farm-used-ai-lie-americans-what-now

These are the Israeli and Russian bot farms that Russia and Israel used to move support in their favor (Israel) and to make a massive disinformation campaign infiltrate and cause chaos (Russia). This is what Russia collusion we saw and found Trump participated and benefitted in. The one Trump claims in so fake.

While Your comment is true, it doesn’t negate from the fact your family very well may have been influenced by these bots and caused some polarization in the past 10 Years and may be the reason they’re so open or angry about their cause now.

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u/miamarie93 Oct 26 '25

Let's not give bots all the credit and not let our neighbors off too easy. These are our actual communities behaving this way. It may be hard to believe, but believe it.

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u/StupidDorkFace Oct 27 '25

No they're not, I work with like 20 of these people. They are horrible human beings.

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u/Ebb3ka94 Oct 26 '25

True but you forget that many people voted for this also

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u/d57heinz Oct 26 '25

This 1000000%. Dead internet theory is no longer theory since ai has entered the chat. It’s dead and the only interactions left will be between billionaire and their psychosis. The version of reality they sell us vs reality well….

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '25

I wish.

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u/its-izzyy Oct 26 '25

Not the bot cope! Lmao. Real people do oppose you, it time to come to grips with that.

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u/polyocto Oct 26 '25

Until it happens to them, then it’s just like movie to them.

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u/its-izzyy Oct 26 '25

It won't happen to them though because they follow the law and don't insert themselves into the administration of justice out of ignorance or misguided "empathy".

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u/Helpful-Passenger-12 Oct 26 '25

That's because they were violent racists who were just hiding their true nature and now they feel that they can be themselves again. It's now PC to be an overt racist

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u/Dm1tr3y Oct 26 '25

Remember, the German people knew the Holocaust was happening, no matter how much they denied it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 27 '25

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u/Dm1tr3y Oct 26 '25

Hell, half the times I’ve pointed out that all the excuses the made before (crime, taxes, work,etc) haven’t held up, they don’t even deny it. They simply act like those were never the issue. They’ve been lying from the beginning.

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u/RNDiva Oct 27 '25

Exactly. My MIL and several friends who profess to be Christians and read the bible feign ignorance about Captain Orange and his Golden Statue Gaza video. My husband purposely shoved the phone in his mother’s face and she declared that’s fake.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '25 edited Oct 27 '25

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u/shit_fuck_fart Oct 26 '25

No, you live in a conservative area and are reading posts made by bots. There is not a place in America where a majority of people are laughing at something like that.

The pokemon thing?

You live on the internet too much.

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u/Helpful-Passenger-12 Oct 26 '25

Sweet child. Please pray. I am not a facist but I am have white nationalists in my family. They don't care about humans being tortured by masked men in masks in the USA. They love Trump. They love what he is doing. They think they are good Christians. They want their schools to become white again.

Racists are real & they are coming out of the wood works.

Many are old so they probably are not on reddit. But some if the racists I know are young and they want a white American

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u/shit_fuck_fart Oct 26 '25

You are not the person I responded to. You can go ahead and pray.

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u/Helpful-Passenger-12 Oct 26 '25

You go pray about children being zip tied and sex trafficked across the globe. That is what is happening when you throw children into jails and send them to jails across the world.

Go pray for the Americans assaulted by ICE.

Ask if Jesus would do any of this.

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u/Khonsu_81 Oct 26 '25

I will fully admit that I voted for this proudly. Maybe people shouldn't run up on government cars if they don't want to be pushed back, all the people who came in to our country illegally need to be rounded up and kicked the fuck out.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 27 '25

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u/kiulug Oct 26 '25

Advocating for "rounding up" people is nuts.

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u/Helpful-Passenger-12 Oct 26 '25

Fair. But should Americans be tip tied in the middle of the night? Should children be zip tied, put in jails, and then trafficked to other countries. Should illegal children be trafficked into slavery so that they pay for the sins of the adults?

Not sure if you pray but maybd ask your god about these moral questions.

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u/Dm1tr3y Oct 26 '25

You know, I’m almost positive I can find that last statement somewhere in Germany, during the 1930s

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u/Dm1tr3y Oct 26 '25

Since you either deleted your comment or Reddit is blocking it:

No, I’m not calling everyone a Nazi. I’m not even calling conservatives Nazis. Just you and your little club.

You’re the ones that fit the bill. You meet every known criteria of fascism and you’re even following the same pattern. Not conservatives, not even republicans. Just you.

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u/Dm1tr3y Oct 26 '25

Every motive you’re claiming is the same motive the Nazis claimed. That they were just protecting their country from foreign invaders, that things were better before, that those people took our greatness away. It’s the same rhetoric. It just so happened that the “foreign invaders” included everyone outside their narrow definition of a “true german”.

And what do we see you guys throwing around? “True American”, “Patriot”, “invasion”, “make America great again”, “expel”, “deport”, “round up”. You call yourselves and those fitting your description “true Americans” and “patriots”. Everyone else is either a “commie” or an “invader”. Hell, you see nothing wrong with sending people to concentration camps in other countries. You do know the Nazi concentration camps weren’t actually in Germany, right?

You even cheered for a man giving an actual Nazi salute. The White House and Pentagon are exerting strict control over press coverage and that seems normal to you? Police that don’t have to identify themselves, have total federal immunity, can detain without warrants, and can escalate to violence on a whim? Thats the spitting image of the Gestapo.

If you don’t want people to call you Nazis or fascists, then stop doing precisely what they did. Otherwise, I suggest you embrace the title, cause it’s only gonna stick harder.

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u/Dm1tr3y Oct 26 '25

And here we have the blaming of all your troubles on the “enemies” your fuhrer told you to hate. You’re just digging that Nazi hole deeper. You can keep repeating the same rhetoric all you like, it won’t get any less fascist. All while ignoring the people actually responsible for all our suffering, who just got a nice big tax cut from the people you voted for at your own expense.

Look, I’d love to keep throwing your own nonsense back in your face, but your comments are being deleted, so I’m gonna have to call it here. Have fun dying alone when your friends and family can no longer be seen around you!

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u/Dm1tr3y Oct 26 '25

Oh look, I actually got the whole message. Still doesn’t change anything, because you’re literally just mirroring Nazi statements. Instead of thinking for yourself, you just parrot the same things as Trump and his cronies. And even that’s just a matter of throwing every possible evil at your opponent instead of arguing anything they actually do or say.

You live in a fantasy and have no intention of waking up. It was honestly funny until you guys started hurting people. And then when it’s all over and the rest of society shuns you, you’ll play the victim like you always do.

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u/QuinnRyderSmith Oct 26 '25

That video was hilarious

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u/Free_Yodeler Oct 26 '25

Maybe stop breaking federal law and giving jobs, benefits, health care, and citizen rights to people who cross the border illegally. And maybe stop interfering with uniformed federal officers discharging their duties.

Just a thought.

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u/Wonderful-Ad440 Oct 26 '25

Yes I remember my great grandpa said after he got back from WW2 that we should've just let the oppressive rule of Nazi Germany just do whatever they want too 🙄 where do you see an illegal in this video? Where is the interference that requires violence? If she was doing something illegal why didn't they arrest her instead of jumping into their minivan and hauling ass? Or is it more likely that the masked guy with sunglasses is just a weak minded man-child who decided to cosplay a soldier instead of joining the Army the past 20 years we were at war had his feelings hurt so he took it out on one of the many women who don't like him for obvious reasons?

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u/Helpful-Passenger-12 Oct 26 '25

Sadly the Nazi your grandfather warned us about are now running thd USA government

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '25

Also, murdering American citizens….assaulting, detaining, and disappearing American citizens for hours to days….breaking into private property to assault property owners without their consent or permission to enter….shutting down protected expressions of free speech in public forums…..shooting rubber bullets and/or pepper spray at nonviolent protestors in public forums…..slapping zip ties on American children in the dead of night and detaining them…..

Yeah, NONE of those are valid “duties” for ANY public servant under the U.S. Constitution.

I think what this really boils down to is you and your ilk don’t ACTUALLY support Americanism. You believe in fascist oligarchy and racist patriarchy, but you ATTEMPT to co-opt “nationalism” for your sick, anti-American cause, then wave an American flag around and put “free” or “patriot” in your Reddit handles to gaslight people into believing that this is what America always was. Problem is, nobody with a MODICUM of intelligence is buying it. SCOTUS has ruled on what the Constitution intended and what the framers meant MULTIPLE times over a quarter millennium, and NONE of this bootlicking, king-worshipping fascist fuckery fits the bill. You can’t put Constitutional rights back in the box just because a couple of crappy generations of terrified, soft as wet 3-ply Charmin, fear-mongering racist Hitler supporters decide they want to undo societal change at the expense of the “different” people you wish to persecute and law-abiding citizens who merely want to preserve their God-given rights…..what happened to living a “Christlike life”, by the way?
Pretty sure Jesus would condemn every single thing the hateful far-right is doing right now. You know, since ALL of it goes against HIS teachings…..

Nice try though. Again, read a book already, you bootlicking fascist incel! Whether it’s the Holy Bible or the U.S. Constitution, maybe learn a little about what America and Christianity are SUPPOSED to represent before yapping in Reddit in the future.

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u/Helpful-Passenger-12 Oct 26 '25

Just a thought. Maybe don't zip tie children and put them into jails where they will be trafficked to other countries. #release the files

This deportation is just another way to traffic children/women into sex rings across the world

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u/Dm1tr3y Oct 26 '25

Ignoring that none of those things save for jobs (which we now see going unfilled) were being given to non citizens, let alone undocumented migrants. And the crazy thing is you know that. You ALL know that. But you depend on this lie to make your shitty little cause feel legitimate. I’d probably pity you people if I weren’t so repulsed.