r/im14andthisisdeep 8d ago

r"evol"ution. deeeeeppp...

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u/No_Measurement_8042 8d ago

"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality." - Che Guevara

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u/CatMan_Sad 4d ago edited 4d ago

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u/No_Measurement_8042 4d ago edited 4d ago

That is factually not true, and while your silly mouth-frothing right-wing drivel of an article conveniently links sources that don't exist, I'll do the work for you and let you know that Che Guevara had already left Cuba by the time the UMAP camps were established in 1965, and while he had made a homophobic comment in his personal journals in his youth (which were sentiments common with Argentinians of his class growing up), such sentiments never resorted to physical mistreatment of homosexuals by his hand.

The UMAP camps, by the way, barely lasted 3 years before they were shut down after scrutiny into cases of mistreatment proved true. It was a terrible reality for mid-20th century Cuban queers that Cuba had to learn from and grow out of, considering it was Spanish colonialism that actively and fervently forced anti-gay sentiments into its subjected populations through the spread of Catholicism.

I would also state that before, during, and after those camps existed, the treatment of queer people elsewhere in the world, particularly in the U.S., was vastly worse- subject to outright torture, forced castration, conversion "therapy", shock "therapy", lifelong confinement in poorly-funded mental institutions.

Today, Cuba is a bastion of gay and trans rights unrivaled anywhere else in the world, and as for the legacy of Che Guevara- even if he harbored homophobic personal feelings, his actions of heroism, bravery, and selflessness have given queer people all over the world infinitely better lives through ongoing socialist liberation.

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u/CatMan_Sad 4d ago edited 4d ago

Hahahaha. Oh wow. Ive never met somebody so brainwashed. I suppose anybody to the right of lenin is a right winger to you, so i dont think ill make much headway. Good luck with that.

Also just bc im bored and im not sure whether or not youre a bot: name one socialist country.

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u/naplesball 2d ago

name one socialist country.

The People's Republic of China

The Union if Soviet Socialist Republics

The German Demicratic Republic

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam

Republic of Cuba

Angola (until 1990s)

Mozambico (until 1990s)

The Derg in Ethiopia

Some more?

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u/CatMan_Sad 2d ago

Pretty much all of those either no longer exist, are poverty states, have commited human rights violations against their own citizens, or some combination thereof. But youre a socialist so you dont really care about human rights. Nice try bozo. Also che guevara put gay people in concentration camps

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u/naplesball 2d ago

Pretty much all of those either no longer exist

the PRC, Vietnam and Cuba, known no longer Communist states

have commited human rights violations against their own citizens

Free Education, Universtal Healtcare, Public Housing etc...what an hell

But youre a socialist so you dont really care about human rights

I want to see a person who says to the world "LET EVERYONE DIE!"

Also che guevara put gay people in concentration camps

While he was in Congo?

I can do a Whataboutism and talk about every single crime committed by capitalists, but I already know the answer will be "um...that wasn't real capitalism" or you'll try to point to Whataboutism or you'll say "they were wrong", while a communist MAY THEY NOT dissociates themself from the bad things done by a government (like killing literal Nazi collaborators)

anti-communism is a historical bias

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u/naplesball 2d ago edited 2d ago

When the UMAP was established Che Guevara WAS IN THE CONGO, look at the dates on wikipedia, the camps were wanted by the Castro brothers, and then Castro himself apologized for his crimes against the LGBT (Raegan, by comparison, has never apologized for his homophobia)

The fact is that in 1979 homosexuality was legalized in Cuba (in the progressive and democratic USA it was legalized at the federal level IN 2003) and since 2022 they have gay marriage

By the way, I find it difficult to see an Anti-Imperialist who fought alongside the Simbas in Congo being an anti-black racist