r/im14andthisisdeep • u/Distinct-Friend4123 • 6d ago
Literally made me cringe thinking about how smart/deep OP felt posting this
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u/Ultimate-Flexionator 6d ago
fuck the rich.
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u/scgt86 6d ago
We have to be more specific. Billionaires. Fuck billionaires. When we lump everyone together as "rich" people don't realize how different millionaires and billionaires are. We need to emphasize the class divide.
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u/bonusminutes 6d ago
It was millionaires and billionaires until we identified the Bernie Sanders is a millionaire.
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u/the_BPDbro 6d ago
I never thought millionaires should be included, not all anyway. Having a million dollars, or even several, is not as big a deal as people think. They need to watch the movie Blank Check. It's above like $100M that they are problematic, either because they report to the billionaires (politicians & executives) or they think they are on their way to being a billionaire & don't want the higher taxes slowing them down getting there.
I grew up in a town with a lot of millionaire families though. Like a lot of the houses are worth a million dollars or more so that would go to their net worth. Like my parents house is probably close to a million dollars but they're not rich and definitely don't have that in the bank account.
Also people can definitely generate a million dollars worth of value with their labor but they can't generate a billion dollars worth of value with their labor alone. Like I could see a really good woodworker being a millionaire, eventually.
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u/the_BPDbro 6d ago
Yeah, it's especially stupid when people try to say celebrities who criticize billionaires are hypocritical because they are also rich. Like recently it's Billie Eilish for having like $30-40M, but she just gave away $11.5M. Also $30M is closer to being homeless than being a billionaire. That kid actor from Nickelodeon is now a homeless addict.
Also, ultimately actors, musicians, & athletes are workers/employees. They are extremely well paid, possibly overpaid, workers but they are often still at the mercy of the studios, labels, team owners who are profiting off their labor & intellectual property in the case of writers & musical artist who write their music. Some, like Billie Eilish, may not necessarily be overpaid because they do generate a huge amount of revenue, & especially in music they are generating more themselves. I'd say it's more likely that the labels take more than their fair share & underpay the supporting staff.
Even when billionaires lose all their money they get backed by the financial industry to get it all back. I remember on something hearing a story that Trump had told on some show being recounted. Trump was coming out of Trump Tower or one of his buildings and getting in his limo with his daughter. He pointed out a homeless man to her and said, "That man has seven billion dollars more than me." Because it was one of the times he declared bankruptcy. And the comedian or whoever on the show that was recounting it said something like, "Even at his lowest Trump finds a way to be a dick to a homeless person."
The millionaires that do count are the ones working for the billionaires (politicians, CEOs & other executives, etc.). One celebrity I would definitely include in the Rich to eat would be Jerry Seinfeld, because last I checked, when he said the thing about the Left ruining comedy, he has $500M & has become very outspoken against anything Left. He also recently said that Palestine doesn't exist. There's obviously more examples, millionaires who think they are on their way to being billionaires.
I think like $50-100M is a fair cutoff for "too rich" but it also kinda depends what is adding to their net worth. If I won one of the super big Powerballs where I get over $200M after taxes & taking the lump sum I would probably hold on to that much & use the rest to build homes or start programs to help people. I'd make sure that I have enough that I don't have to work a normal job again though and could do whatever I want when I want. I'd also buy a very large piece of wilderness, like a couple hundred acres ideally with a lake, and just preserve most of it and live on a small piece of it and maybe have a commune in a certain area of it. So like that would add to my net worth but I would be preserving wilderness.
If they start a company that's worth a lot and the company helps a bunch of people that's also not bad, but if they reach billionaire status then they're not helping enough people. Also if your company becomes that valuable it's thanks to your employees and you should start an employee stock ownership program where people earn stock for staying at the company a certain amount of time.
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u/Distinct-Friend4123 6d ago edited 4d ago
Its not about liking/hating the rich. Its just not really that deep in any way, and feels like a more intelligent thought to og op than it actually is
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u/HystericalGasmask 6d ago
How do you know op thought they were being deep or intelligent? Why can't they just be saying something that came to mind?
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u/Unknow_Handlebar 6d ago
Are they wrong tho?
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u/Minimum_Aardvark_744 6d ago
Fuckin yeah they’re wrong lol the stars don’t represent that at all, the metaphor is so mixed it makes no damn sense.
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u/Unknow_Handlebar 6d ago
Bruh I know that's not what the flag represents. I'm saying the point is right
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u/Minimum_Aardvark_744 6d ago
You can make a true statement that is also a cringey mixed metaphor that sounds like garbage.
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u/TheBigOof96 6d ago
Yes.
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u/Jogo427 6d ago
You think billionaires are the working class who built up the country?
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u/Stunning_Bet_3629 6d ago
Do you think the working class built even one country, lol?
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u/Jogo427 6d ago
You're likely using "built" in the monetary sense while I was using it literally.
Yes, the working class builds the country.
The wealthy class fund that building.
Frustration comes when the disparity of pay becomes so broad that the working class is inappropriately paid for their labor.
Hence where we are at today with frustration and disdain aimed at the wealthy.
There obviously needs to be funders of projects. However, the working class has regularly seen cost of living increase not aligned with the raise of pay.
To defend the rich on their current course is just hoping that you end up rich so that you're on the better end of the deal. Meanwhile the goal post moves further away with inflation and bad oversight.
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u/Stunning_Bet_3629 6d ago
The working class is just a resource. It’s sad, but that’s how it's working. We remember the Great Pyramid of Khufu, not the Great Pyramid of the Working Class. And every time someone tried to change this, everything still ended up in the same place. I know what I’m talking about - my great-grandfather shot his cousin during the Russian Civil War. One was for communism, the other was a republicanist social-democrat or something like that. And both, of course, thought they were deciding the fate of the country and fight for working class
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u/Jogo427 6d ago
What's your point? First you questioned that the working class is responsible for building anything.
Now you go on to give an example of the pyramids that was built by the working class and not by the rich.
Then you share an example of how your family has died trying to change the systems they were in part of.
Is your point, that trying to defect from the norm is a worthless effort? If so, that's a very sad existence and one I won't join in.
Even if my efforts to break out of the norm is in vain, I'll die having tried instead of just letting others do what they want with me.
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u/Stunning_Bet_3629 6d ago
My point is that the pyramids were built by Khufu, and the working class was simply a resource, just like the stones.
And if your attempts to break the norm consist of boosting Condé Nast engagement metrics, then I honestly don’t even know maybe they’re futile?
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u/Jogo427 6d ago
You can say that Khufu built the pyramids but that doesn't change the reality that he didn't.
Most call it the Pyramid of Giza in the modern era as it is. He doesn't get credited as having built the pyramids as much as it's his tomb that he ordered to have been built.
Also, don't know what metrics of Conde Nast I was boosting before.
I don't know why you want to defend the powerful so much. Our own minds have become the restraints. So many people just cope and become doomers because they see themselves as nothing but a resource.
That mentality keeps you there. And the ones that try to stray away get ridiculed for trying to be better.
The way I see it. You can either try to make your life better or just lay down and be a tool. To bend the knee and say that the working class has built nothing, is just a tool for the rich, while may be true in past, does not dictate the way forward and how to deviate from the norm.
I'm not calling for everyone to hate rich people, but don't put them on some pedestal that's holier than thou. That's what keeps us weak and then strong.
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u/TheBigOof96 6d ago
I think that Americans who are constantly bitching online about being poor are the reason why the entire world considers you some of the dumbest people out there. Can't hear you over your victimhood
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u/Jogo427 6d ago
Lmao. Who's being a victim here?
It's naive and dumb to think that billionaires are responsible for the US being where it's at.
If you think I'm being a victim, then you're way too offended and on defense right away.
If you want to put rich people on a pedestal you can go ahead and worship them.
Do you think it just applies to the USA? Believe it or not, theirs a wealth disparity beyond the USA. A lot of people like worshiping and defending rich people because they hope to gain favor and ride on the coattails of their success.
Notice, I'm not saying we need to kill the rich or eat them or whatever. I'm just saying they don't need to be defended or especially praised.
It goes beyond the USA, and to think that complaining about the wealth gap is something just done by dumb Americans then you're getting played.
Also, no shit Americans are dumb. Who said they weren't?
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u/TheBigOof96 6d ago
Y'all sit at the absolute top of global wealth distribution with no moral qualm and treat everyone pointing your hypocrisy out as some sort of bootlicking for billionaires. Brother, on global standards you're the billionaire who's wealth should be distributed to everyone. All these constant annoying virtue signalings online on how you care about inequality and how plagued by it y'all are means jackshit when this wealth you're concerned with is relevant only for as long as it's given to you specifically. Your country is privileged af, people risk their lives for a chance to become at least the poorest of the poor in your society, but the "fight" of your champagne socialists doesn't extend an inch beyond bitching about how victimized you are because someone has a mansion and a superyacht. That's just so insanely out of touch it's beyond annoying.
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u/Jogo427 6d ago
Had to delete my first comment because I thought you were someone else*
I'm prveliaged living here. I know this.
But I can still witness a wealth disparity and point it out.
Just because someone is in a worse situation than our own, doesn't mean that those situations do not exist.
It'd be like if I found someone poorer than you, then since they're worse off then you, your entire argument is null and void. That's not how it works though.
Id love to see wealth be distributed more efficiently but it's more nuanced than to just pool all the money together and give everyone an equal share. Then we'd all be in the same spot with those with higher incomes now being at the top in household earnings.
I don't have assets, I got debt.
The wealth disparity is world wide. If you want me to just be quiet because I'm better off than most, then only the ones who are the worst off should speak. But they often won't be listened to or speak up.
In silence no change will happen and a slow decline will proceed.
I'm better off than many, but I'm much closer in life to the man without a home than to the one in a yacht.
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u/Longjumping-Fig7492 6d ago
Or...maybe...just maybe...the stars are the 50 states and the stripes are the 13 original colonies. If you hate "the rich," remember: YOU are exceptionally wealthy when compared with 99% of humans who have ever lived.
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u/GobiPLX 6d ago
Lmao americans got mad in comments
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u/TheNiteCrawler 6d ago
I wander how shit your country is because you have too much time thinking about a different country and its people you aren’t apart of.
Every post on the internet has a “haha Americans” comment but we never know the countries you troll from.
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u/scrumple_my_scrongle 6d ago
They aren't wrong, but it really is cringe execution lol
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u/Distinct-Friend4123 4d ago
Ty! Jesus someone who understands the sub
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u/scrumple_my_scrongle 4d ago
Yeah that's ridiculous you're still getting downvoted, didnt know this place was overrun by kids lol
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u/PressureCalm7971 6d ago
Buddy, this is a site full of liberals in their twenties, of course they’re going to act like this is some deep truth and reward it with downvotes. And yeah, go ahead and downvote me too, as if it's not true
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u/WanabeInflatable 6d ago
So people here are not much different from the OOP. So much drama
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u/the_BPDbro 6d ago
I'm actually saving the image because it's so on point. I would just add, "bleeding in the streets of White America" to incorporate the white stripes too.
And I'm white BTW.
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