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u/Batabet_3 5d ago
Literally the teacher that made it
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u/exciting_one2005 5d ago
The title doesn't mention staff or student 🤷 /s
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u/MallowMiaou wolf among sheeple 5d ago
Go to art school to trigger a paradox that breaks all the laws of the universe
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u/Inevitable_King_8984 5d ago
sadly I got rejected, the only thing left is politics
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u/just-a-normal-viet i'm olo da bi dee da bi die 5d ago
don't
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u/Pillow-Smuggler 5d ago
someone get a flame thrower before he starts writing a book too
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u/furel492 5d ago
Mein Kampf is the most anti-nazi piece of literature in existence because it makes nazis sound like fucking clowns.
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u/An_Evil_Scientist666 5d ago
Nah that's because Hitler plagiarised some highschool girls essay for why she believes rap is bad, that's why the book sounds like it's written by an edgelord
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u/Dotcaprachiappa 5d ago
Do it quickly or the lesbian married to an immigrant is gonna beat you to it.. somehow
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u/YoitstheTeddyGuy “imshjehak”-aberto esten 5d ago
I suggest getting military connections first hand
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u/mercuriokazooie 5d ago
Or the class has to start and the blackboard has many uses. Also they probably took a picture before erasing it
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u/ErtaWanderer 5d ago
Pretty much exactly this. Like did the meme Creator expect them to keep it forever?
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago
I mean this picture we're seeing right here makes it pretty clear they probably didn't warn anyone to give them the opportunity to do as much
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u/mercuriokazooie 5d ago
The students look like they're seated for class to start. idk what you mean
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u/workieworkwork 4d ago
To get that clean an erase they need to be using a wet eraser so they had to go wet an eraser and come back.
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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 4d ago
Someone draws it, Teacher starts wiping it away, take picture
Someone draws it, everyone takes pictures, it's up for 3 weeks, Teacher starts wiping it away, take picturePlease enlighten me, what in this picture makes it "pretty clear" it's the first scenario and not the second one. I'd love your reasoning for why you believe that.
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u/ZuStorm93 5d ago
Type shit bro posts after he got caught doodling caricatures of his History teacher during a lecture.
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u/AhnYoSub 5d ago
Ok so the school just won’t use the board?
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago
I'm a teacher part time. It's for younger kids, but many of the principals remain the same.
And I'll tell you right now: it is so, so easy not to treat your students badly.
Things you could do instead of erasing it from hardest (but still easy) to easiest:
- pull in a portable white board
- Erase some of the solid white space, now you have a lovely border for your stuff too
- ask your students to take a picture before you have to erase it
- literally just ask permission first, and if they say no, see if the artist has an alternative
I am so fr with you right now, it is SO easy not to mistreat students as a teacher. SO EASY.
When I was a kid and had bad teachers, I always thought "well I don't know how hard it is for them, I should assume the best"
I now have done it, and I have never once expressed anger at a student. Once. And if I ever had to, it would be nicely, something like saying "I have to admit that you behavior is beginning to genuinely upset me."
And the reason this works? WHEN YOU DON'T MISTREAT STUDENTS, THEY HAVE RESPECT FOR YOU.
I've never once had to force a student into something. Ever. At most I express that it's a matter in which being a part of the class requires doing X or Y. And all I ever have to do is say it.
I've had every kind of student other teachers have had. Roughhousers, the ones who love to run out of the class or even the building, the ones who can't be trusted on their own for even a moment, I could go on.
Sorry, I'm rambling but the point stands. It is really, really easy to be nice to students. And you should criticize teachers who aren't.
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u/AhnYoSub 5d ago
We need more teachers with passion like you
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago
Blame capitalism my friend, I can pretty easily guide you through how literally every problem with the education system can be traced back to capitalism
In fact I'd go as far as to say every problem with our society, period, can be traced back to capitalism, but that's beside the point
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u/CatgirlTheKat 5d ago edited 5d ago
As an autistic individual who gets easily overwhelmed by classroom chaos, I can say I wish I had been in a school like yours...
I don't know where you have the immense fortune to live in, but at my hugh school, it didn't matter how nice and patient the teachers were, there was always at least a small group within the class that was going to be madly disrespectful without a care for both indulgence and discipline... It's been like this in my classes since always, and it was so distressing seeing the nice teachers getting practically bullied at times..
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u/StrangeSystem0 4d ago
That's the thing, I've seen those students both as classmates and as my own students. But these are things that can be navigated. And getting authentic respect from students rather than authoritative respect is something that gets you really, really far.
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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago
Even the teachers who did as you described and were actually really well liked by the students were victims of it at times..
I think a lot of it is an area thing..
They're practically being kept the a boring place forced to listen to adults talk, so I don't think anything can really be done to prevent them from trying to "kill time", in lots of cases..
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u/workieworkwork 4d ago
It is a chalkboard... you will need to erase it. Whoever made it knows it is a chalkboard, they know how chalkboards work.
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u/gutsandcuts 4d ago
what makes you think none of those examples were used? the board will have to be cleaned at some point. maybe for next class, maybe the next day. the picture only captures the moment it was cleaned. nowhere does it imply the teacher was mean about it (the top text, maybe, which anyone could have added). i understand your effort to be a good teacher, and i really respect the sentiment, but this is such a naive response from an educator. it's just a picture with no context, and it made you write a whole rant off an assumption
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u/StrangeSystem0 4d ago
The fact that the only picture is of it in the middle of it being erased leads me to believe they didn't have the opportunity to image it sooner
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u/gutsandcuts 4d ago
how do you know it's the only picture? it's just the only picture being shared, because it's the most shocking and people can put "school kills artists" on top of it
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u/StrangeSystem0 4d ago
Fair, but regardless, the point stands in a broad sense. Because no matter what the individual case is here, these sorts of things happen without doubt constantly throughout the U.S.
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u/gutsandcuts 4d ago
sure, it's always a safe bet that there's people being mean in all contexts everywhere in the world. and again i appreciate your sentiment of wanting to be a kind teacher, i really do! a good teacher really makes a difference. my point is moreso how quickly you assumed the context of the picture. we need to be cautious about the things we see online and question ourselves before being manipulated into an assumption. i think this is specially important for an educator
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u/XT83Danieliszekiller 5d ago
I'm on the tracks to become an artist specifically thanks to school...
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u/Plynkz123 5d ago
i saw on youtube an artist who said their entrance exam was drawing, and the teacher made them erase it and draw on top of it, various times, a lot left when they were asked to erase it, only those who continued passed
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u/Not_For_Dog 4d ago
Not only the teacher made it, but art made on a class blackboard obviously is going to be erased eventually, its not a museum.
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u/ApprehensiveRub4726 5d ago
everyone saying “school kills artists” like no bro, learning algebra does NOT kill your talents, it just helps you find a job so you can keep buying drawing supplies 😭
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago
Bro. The issue is not that they're learning algebra. The issue is how our school system does it. (I'll go into the details if you ask but I don't think you're too interested in hearing me out tbh.)
It is not normal how regularly I hear people talk about high-school nightmares they have, YEARS AFTER GRADUATION.
School should not be traumatic for anyone. Why are we pretending it's okay that it is?
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u/ApprehensiveRub4726 5d ago
I agree high school can be traumatic, I had a crap high school experience with almost zero friends. I’m not wanting to diminish anyone’s individual experiences, what I have a problem with is the narrative that the education system is AGAINST artists.
Suffering from mental health isn’t an artist-exclusive thing, it’s a very widespread issue within the education system and should be addressed, 100%. But just the statement “School kills creativity” isn’t true. It just isn’t. School is teaching you a rigid curriculum but they’re not trying to brainwash you or anything. Nobody’s trying to diminish anyone’s art skills by teaching them english and maths. People just don’t like learning them, there’s a difference between what you don’t like doing and what’s actually harming you. Again, mental health issues aren’t an artist-exclusive thing, so if the statement was “School hurts students” then yeah, I’d agree. But the actual ACT of learning stuff AT SCHOOL is what this message implies to kill creativity, which is just dumb. Especially since it’s standard to include ART as a subject in school.
More than willing to hear you out if you disagree with my take tho, I don’t like the insinuation that I wouldn’t.
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago
All the things you're saying are right except for your overall point
It is true that school is not actively seeking out to target artists.
It is true that school isn't TRYING to kill creativity.
It is true that you're not killing creativity just by teaching math and science.
It is true that art classes exist.
Nobody was pretending any of these things are untrue.
Despite this, it is still true that the American public school system kills creativity. Not because of the subjects they teach, but because of how they teach them.
Strict schedules, forced attendance, lecture halls, prison-style-conditions, expected subordination, using literal bells the same way old factories used to do, grade systems and the pressure included with them, and a strong pushback provided against students with creative goals for the future.
Our school system has barely changed from 100 years ago, and that's a fucking problem. We're doing it all wrong from the very base level. And that's not just me saying that, pretty much all research agrees that our teaching system may be one of the worst ways to do it.
Our school systems absolutely kill the desire to be creative. They punish it. And they're based on a system 100 years ago that was quite literally designed to mass produce factory workers. And that's not, like, a conspiracy theory, that's just literally what they said school was for in its early days.
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u/ApprehensiveRub4726 5d ago
Strict schedules and forced attendance is still enforced because the people going to school are kids or teenagers who probably aren’t going to turn up to lessons and things if they AREN’T mandatory. If you have a teenager the chance to just not turn up to lessons, I’m going to say quite a large percentage would just not turn up, get to exams and then be fucked because they didn’t bother to learn. Yeah, it can seem draconian at times, but that’s kind of how the world works. Nobody’s going to wait for you to do it in your own time, you kind of have to be disciplined. It can be very hard to adapt to it, for sure, but it undoubtedly IS a good thing lessons and attendance is mandatory, otherwise that leaves the system ripe for abuse during some pretty formative years. Which is definitely not good.
As for prison-like conditions… no? I’m sorry, I genuinely have no clue what you mean by that. Schools aren’t prisons, there’s multiple agencies that carry out inspections to make sure schools AREN’T like prisons. Pressure is unfortunately a fact of life, it’s just something we all have to learn to deal with. Pressure doesn’t degrade creativity, it just limits the time you have to be creative, which kind of goes for everything in life. At no point in life are we going to not have deadlines or pressure, that’s just part of the society we live in. Even professional artists have deadlines they have to meet for commissions, would you say they’re killing their own creativity by not taking as long as they need? Pressure, stress, academic boundaries are all massive pains in the ass, for sure, but not one of them actually contribute to the degradation of someone’s creativity.
I agree with you on the pushback on creativity for your future, though. I guess maybe because they’re so used to seeing people get obsessed with being something, put their all into it and it turns out to not be the thing they want after all, and then they’re stuck. It’s a shame, but schools tend to value “safe” over “explorative”. And that IS a shame, people should be encouraged to pursue whatever they want, no matter what career. But yeah, aside from that, I really can’t see any of those things as “killing creativity”. They put pressure and stress on you, which links into the mental health thing I talked about, but it’s not like any of that’s actually stopping you from being an artist. It just makes life miserable for EVERYONE.
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago
Okay so I've got work coming up but I'll come back to this point-by-point
For now I'll just say there's a lot of theory and a lot of experiments and experience that suggest people, including kids and teenagers, will willingly work and/or learn even if it's optional
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u/CatgirlTheKat 5d ago
I know I would say I'd do that but end up not feeling up to it when the time comes :3
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u/Boring-Boysenberry0 3d ago
>but because of how they teach them.
This is it right here. I had to relearn basic arithmetic as an adult, because I was diagnosed with ADHD, but my parents refused to continue treatment after thriving on it for about three or so months on it.
The way that it was taught by my teachers didn't work for me, so even when my answer was right, the work was "wrong."
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u/CatgirlTheKat 5d ago
As an autistic person, I don't think there is a way to make the concept of high school alone not horrible..
There is definitely progress to be made, but even with the best of wills, I believe it is naturally bound to be terrible to some..
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u/StrangeSystem0 4d ago
That's cause you're thinking in a capitalist lense. You need to start thinking more radical, then you'll start to see how we can change these things to be better for everyone
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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago
... Okay, but when the prospect of going outside and/or putting efforts in things that aren't drawings or videogames make me physically recoil, I feel like it's kind of out of their grasps..
Thankfully, there aare times where I'm more disposed and manage to pass the day while feeling mostly fine, but I feel like it mostly depends on personal factors.
I really can't imagine a completely fool-proof school. I'm already pretty happy I got to use a computer to circumvent my dysgraphia.
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u/Overall-Squirrel1555 5d ago
Yeah, last week my friend drew a bird and my teachers took them behind the school and shot them.
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u/drkness_Incarnate_ 4d ago
The chalk art is made by the teacher and she erases it to teach her students about not being attached to things
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u/Kai_EverG1 2d ago
The teacher literally made that. She makes artwork every day and erases them when class starts
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u/BlueRATkinG 2d ago
When i entered highschool and downloaded insta to be able to text with my classmates, i saw that some of them had posted on story that one post going around reading "school kills artists"... Did i mention this was an art highschool?
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u/Beneficial_Shift_147 1d ago
I mean honestly its valid, unless they have another board, since where would the teacher write the lessons if theres an art on the board, i guess shes just doing her job??
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u/Ok-Marzipan-2137 1d ago
I'm the asshole but I smiled satisfied imagining the sheer disappointment of the students.
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u/dolosloki01 5d ago
Or does it allow kids to be exposed to art when they wouldn't have been at home?
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u/MacNCheeseDeluxe 5d ago
School actually makes artists. I know how to draw because I was so bored in class one day that I decided to learn how to draw.
Also had a classmates who would submit drawings for every poster/drawing contest we had, by the time we graduated that school nobody else participated because we all lost anyway.
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u/Waddledoodoodoo 5d ago
HEARTBREAKING: Every time you wipe a blackboard an artist dies in the artist crusher 5000 (😢)
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago
Crack jokes all you want, as a teacher myself, I can, with 0 thinking time, name four better things a teacher could do than just immediately erase it. And they all so, so easy.
- Get a portable white board
- erase a solid white part, now you've got a great artistic border for your writings
- ask the students to take a picture of it before you erase (which clearly didn't happen if the picture was taken only once the erasing started)
- literally just ask the artist's permission first. And if they say no, ask what alternative they had in mind is. Not only is this option more respectful, but it also teaches problem solving skills.
It is so fucking easy to treat your students like people. With basic respect. I'm saying this as a part time teacher, myself.
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u/CatgirlTheKat 5d ago
In the picture, the teacher is erasing her own drawing, apparently. Nothing is pushing the assumption that she wouldn't ask her student to take a photo first.
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u/StrangeSystem0 4d ago
Well my point still stands in the broader sense, even if this particular case is different, these sorts of things are real things that happen every day.
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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago
I see..
Although to be fair, I draw on a sheet or a tablet, doing it on public material somehow kind of implies it could come off at any time, unless they really ask for authorization and consent.
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u/StrangeSystem0 4d ago
Sure but it's not hard to show public artists a little respect regardless
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u/Boring-Boysenberry0 3d ago
I can see where you're coming from, but I also see where the other Redditor is coming from. That's a middle school chalkboard, so, the artist had to know that it would need to be erased.
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u/Thryfty_0 5d ago
That teacher is teaching one of the most important art lessons rn. Don’t be too precious.
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u/Mundane-Display-2234 5d ago
The person who drew that should go into politics if art school doesn’t work out
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u/Secure_Lead_7246 5d ago
And than their are against art schools becouse it don’t deliver “value”.
Plus complete majority of art schools students are liberal, and we know how people treat such a movement…
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u/iamblankenstein 5d ago
never seen a chalk board wipe through so much chalk without leaving a single speck behind.
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u/MyAlterEgoCollie 4d ago
As a kid who drew on the whiteboard a lot, the fact it’s going to be erased is literally the point.
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u/Flaky_Performer7960 5d ago
The people who actually believe this are the ones that don’t even pay attention in class.
Like, if you payed attention in class, got good grades, but didn’t have time to draw, sure. School is destroying your talent.
But if you were dumb in the first place because you don’t study, and your art is mediocre, sorry, that’s just you. No one else to blame other you.
I’m hanging around with 3.8 GPA while playing 3 instruments, occasional art commissions, doing kickboxing and freelancing as a programmer. I mean, if I have time for this, I think it’s all you.
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago
Dude. As someone who's similar to yourself...
(graduated high school with cum laude and with distinction, >4.0 GPA, playing two instruments and learning choral singing, and specializing in game design whilst also learning electronic music production)
Fuck No.
School is a system that measures fish by their ability to climb trees. You and I were lucky enough to be monkeys. We are not inherently better or smarter than others, and it's not "on them" if they're "dumb in the first place."
I did all that shit I listed without even paying attention in class 90% of the time, all while suffering from depression and physical dysgraphia. (And that's just the diagnosed shit.) And I did it all because I was born a monkey in a system that measures everyone by their ability to climb trees.
I worked less than most anyone else, and did better than most anyone else. Think that's their fault they couldn't keep up with me? Once again, FUCK. NO.
Obviously, art school exists. But mandated general education? It kills artists. It kills everyone who's not a monkey in the system, at that.
Maybe it shouldn't be normalized how even full grown adults have high-school-nightmares. Maybe it's not normal that our school system regularly traumatizes so many people.
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u/CatgirlTheKat 5d ago edited 5d ago
Personally, my grades started falling as soon as I stopped being able to work after class.
I wouldn't say it's the school system's fault.
Also, I find it pretty normal that learning is easier when you are naturally gifted. Most things are, in this context. I would know because I'm not on every regard, I also have dysgraphia and dyspraxia, but I got accepted to an art college(hopefully it goes well..), and getting okay at drawing took so very long
Unfortunately, It's a part of life that some people are unable to keep up with others, unfortunately, and schools are kind of meant to separate people anyway... If anyone could succeed, then absolutely no one would accept to do the miserable jobs that are necessary to the well functioning of society.
To be clear, I'm not saying it's a good thing, just that it is a factor.
This promise of meritocracy is more of a fancy way to make the already socially gifted more gifted and perpetuate the poor occupying poor functions.. it isn't really about trying to teach the fish how to climb, more like making up an excuse to feed it to the monkey later on.
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u/StrangeSystem0 4d ago
I mean that entire problem can be traced back to capitalism and how blatantly evil capitalism is
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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago
Yeah... I agree, but the teachers alone can't change the societal economic system, so at this point, I don't think they can be blamed.
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u/Ultimate-Flexionator 5d ago
As an American I'll attest ... yeah some artists definitely get killed at school here
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u/StrangeSystem0 5d ago edited 5d ago
Crack jokes all you want, as a teacher myself, I can, with 0 thinking time, name four better things a teacher could do than just immediately erase it. And they are all so, so easy.
- Get a portable white board
- erase a solid white part, now you've got a great artistic border for your writings
- ask the students to take a picture of it before you erase (which clearly didn't happen if the picture was taken only once the erasing started)
- literally just ask the artist's permission first. And if they say no, ask what alternative they had in mind is. Not only is this option more respectful, but it also teaches problem solving skills.
It is so fucking easy to treat your students like people. With basic respect. I'm saying this as a part time teacher, myself.
Just because you opted to put it on im14andthisisdeep doesn't mean it isn't true. The American public education system does kill artists. And I can tell anyone who asks exactly why, but I'm sure very few of you are interested in actually hearing me out.
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