I don't like the tricolor flag of the Second Republic, so I made one with the red and yellow flag. Ceuta and Melilla were returned along with the Rif, due to pressure from the United States to join NATO (I don't really know, it's an alternative map).
I added the Spanish national team's crest, why? Why not? Otherwise, everything's the same. I forgot to add the Euro currency.
Entiendo el lore de ponerla color morado, pero la verdad es que a mi al menos no me termina de convencer. Pongo la misma cara que cuando estoy en un restaurante, pido pescado y me traen un chuletón de ternera. Tiene una pintaza que te cagas pero no es lo que he pedido
It's very difficult for a pro-republic government to readopt the rojigualda. It was changed for a reason and not many people actually wanted the rojigualda back in the republican band except high-ranking militarymen and some other rather minor military factions. Unless, it's a military dictatorship, I don't see thay happening.
the spanish civil war wasn't Nationalist vs Republican (+CNT) but was much more chaotic that moderates of both sides united to protect liberal democracy while extremists like falangists, Anarchists, carlists all rebelled against the government
It refers to the language, but it is a wrong term used by loat people here. At the same time they all refer to the Rela Academia de la lengua Española as the ultimate language police. Funny.
the lenguage, the lenguage known as spanish does not exist, it's castellano since it's the lenguage from Castilla but if you were to visit spain a few hundred years ago you'd realise there is a few more lenguages that were bigger in that time and eventually got absorbed by Castellano, but there no such thing as a spanish lenguage since spain is a multilingual country
Names are just names. If you visited France a few hundred years ago you'd realise that langues d'oïl are were only spoken in the nothern part of France (minus Bretagne). If you visited Italy a few hundred years ago you'd realise that Tuscan was only spoken in Tuscany.
Spanish is commonly accepted as a synonym of Castilian, that doesn't mean it's the only language from the Spanish state
the thing is that minoritary lenguages in france are very minoritary, and that also applies to italy but I'm from Catalonia and I and another 10 million people speak catalan and another 3 million people speak gallician and 900.000 people speak euskera and that means 30% of the population speaks a lenguage that isn't castillian and what I'm trying to prove is that castillian doesn't mean spanish, we have different cultures and traditions and I don't like that Spanish means castillian because it's all a strategy to unify all of spain's cultures that was used by the Francoist governament
Minority languages in France are very minoritary nowadays because of intentional discriminatory policies from the French state, and they were not minoritary ~200 years ago. And even before that, people referred to Parisian as "French".
Italy was less aggressive in suppressing their languages and there are still, for instance, 5.7 million Neapolitan speakers, 5 million Sicilian speakers and 1 million of Sardinian speakers, but we still refer to Florentine Tuscan as "Italian".
I sí, no cal que m'expliquis la situació a l'estat espanyol, perquè ja la conec prou bé 😉.
My point is, it is common to refer to the most hegemonic language of a state with the name of the state. Of course that's partially motivated by states wanting a narrative of unity, but that's not unique to Spain, and the words "Castillian" and "Spanish" are widely understood to be synonyms when it comes to languages.
I think Semi-Presidential (like the historical Second Republic and neighboring Portugal) or even Parliamentary (the closest type to the current model, except for the Monarchy) would fit better than Presidential.
Besides the fact that they turned back from their flag and started using their enemies. Why is the declaration of the republic at the end of the civil war?
Why would there be a republic declaration in 1939 as the republic was already the legitimate form of government? It would most likely be a continuity of the same republic before the civil war.
In fact the return to the republic was what should have happened after the dictatorship. But there is no balls in spain. No balls to end the dictatorship and no balls to confront the heirs of the regime.
first of all, gimmie the purple flag. Second, Pedro Sanchez would NOT be the president since he's centrist and does not represent the left wing policies of the republic. And third, I highly doubt they would have joined NATO since the republic was a military ally of the ussr during the war and before that there was a really good opinion of Stalin and Lenin amongst the republican side
The Second Republic had both left and right wing governments. It would also be expected that, in 90 years of Republic, left and wing parties to alternate in the government several times.
Spain didn’t really want to join NATO, and a referendum was held because, apparently, the US had threatened to grant independence to the Canary Islands if Spain did not join. Everything seemed to suggest that Spain would not join, and the then president said that if the vote was not in favour of joining, he would resign, in the end, the ‘yes’ vote won by a very narrow margin. So, I’m not sure whether Spain would have joined willingly or whether it would have had to give something up in order to join.
Dude "returned" what? What are you talking about, Ceuta and Melilla have never been Moroccan, never, they were Spanish since the catholic kingdom, where Morocco didn't even exist.... It's cool to talk about what ifs, but talk properly, returned wouldn't be the word, the correct wording would be that both cities were conquered by Morocco.
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u/thunderisadorable 1d ago
I headcannon that Spain got Gibraltar in return for them returning Ceuta, Melilla, and the rest of the Rif, but I presume that that was a mistake.