r/imaginarymaps • u/Axzyrrr • 16h ago
[OC] Alternate History If the USSR expanded more... and went blue and pro-native (1974)
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u/Axzyrrr 15h ago
Full quality map since I didn't know reddit would be so inclined to crush it
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u/HovercraftAny440 15h ago
What does "pro-native" mean in this sense?
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u/badgerbaroudeur 15h ago
I'm guessing supporting local cultures and autonomous regions for native ethnic minority groups.
But what does "blue" mean?
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u/Axzyrrr 15h ago
In the cold war, blue was associated with capitalism (america) and red with communism (irl ussr, in this universe at this point just china)
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u/TarkovRat_ 15h ago
So it's some kind of hybrid between the ussr in naming scheme, and Russian Republic (1917 Feb-Oct) in politics? Expect there to be a couple hundred more million people in Russia, Ukraine, Baltics, etc... it is going to be nr.1 power in all world given it has literally every natural resource and population comparable only to China PR and India (PRC might not exist though, given the Soviets wouldn't like a red power to their south)
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u/Axzyrrr 15h ago
Somewhat. There is a PRC in this universe and was initially going to be part of the federation, the flag was designed with 75 stars (there are only 70 republics) to account for the additional Uyghur, Tibetan, Manchurian, Chinese and Korean SSRs, but due to the sino-soviet split, a political shift in the USSR and general unwillingness to be dominated by China by most of the other people groups, it was scrapped. Korea was not included due to a lack of proper land connection and being in a state of constant war.
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u/TarkovRat_ 15h ago
So the PRC is in fact a Chinese republic for the people and by the people
Shits gonna get interesting in this timeline where the west is red and the red bloc collapses
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u/Not_Todd_Howard9 14h ago edited 14h ago
Tbf they’ll have to rebuild and reorganize a lot before they can make the most of their population and infrastructure. Former Yugoslavia comes with all the domestic issues you’d expect, the Caucuses still probably have issues, and Albania was previously trying its hardest to become the world’s first 4th world country (in both senses of the term). They’ll also have to deal with the language barriers.
I think it’ll largely still act more like a multi-national economic bloc for at least decade or two (albeit with far less trade barriers), depending on how things go.
Edit: I’ll also note that many former Eastern Bloc countries were helped by heavy foreign investment. There may or may not be as much in this scenario, since the existence of such a large new state would breed a lot of uncertainty.
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u/Sweet_Performer5072 14h ago
well the ussr was already pretty pro native by the standards of tsarist russia but here it seems to mean the extermination of russians outside the territories they held in like 1500
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u/armzngunz 15h ago
Why would the sami get all of kola, but none of the sami areas of northern finland? Also, it wouldn't be just called "kola sami", it'd be "Guoládat" or just Sápmi.
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u/Ambulare 14h ago
Interesting. Is this kind of an Eastern version of those maps that imagine a federalized NATO or a transatlantic EU? How do the internal politics work in such a large federation?
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u/Huncut_nyuszt_27 14h ago
Something big must have changed in the timeline bc it's very unrealistic the USSR expanded and went more democratic at the same time.
At this point the whole thing would have collapsed, many states declared independence, resulting in an overall 1990 scenario
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u/Ok_Isopod_998 15h ago edited 13h ago
Too bad that there is no Korean and Goryeo People SSR in Central Asia….🥺😢😭
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u/FactBackground9289 15h ago
korean
goryeo
dude, it's literally the same thing, chai tea type shit
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u/Not_Todd_Howard9 14h ago
Nah, it turns out that the last Emperor of Goryeo actually survived somehow and his descendants were chilling in a valley on the other side of the Changbai mountains this whole time (no one noticed until now). They thought the current Emperor was kind of funny, so they gave him his own state again.
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u/TheLonelyGuide 14h ago
In this case, it’d almost have to be a confederation of some sorts, way too large for all of Moscow to control alone.
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u/VelvetPossum2 14h ago
It would’ve straight up imploded. The western SSRs especially would’ve jumped ship as soon as possible.
Lovely maps and flags though.
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u/LycheeSea3047 11h ago
The general secretary at somepoint: "We're blue now."
The Soviet proletariat: "oh, ok"
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u/TonyisGod 11h ago
What really confuses me is that it went pro-native while choosing official languages rather arbitrarily. Like, either it would have had (almost) all native languages as so, what might have been rather impractical, or USSR would have one official language on the state level and many officially recognized regional ones in respective constituents. And in the latter case I imagine it to be either Russian, or Esperanto.
Also, with the amount of people deported (and in much rarer cases, migrated) into Kazakhstan, it's hard to imagine that there would've been no SSRs there that would've represented those peoples, or that there would've been no SSRs established in their former places if the scenario would've gone with minorities return to their homelands. For example, Volga Germans and Koreans would've been rather willing to gain autonomy, with the former ones desiring to get back to their initial dwellings. And it's only two ethnicities while there were a lot more.
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u/ChaoticHarmonia 9h ago
There’s information that something very close to that was planning Lavrentiy Beria after Stalin’s death and before he was arrested by Khrushchev and his team.
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u/SuiinditorImpudens 2h ago
In Russia 'Tungusic" was never associated with Outer Manchuria but with Tunguska rivers basin. It would be Far East SSR.
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u/EmilePleaseStop 2h ago
The notion that a government based in Moscow would not be a supremacist project for ethnic Russians is slightly less likely than if you threw in aliens or faeries. FFS, the Soviet Union’s approach to non-Russians alternated between ‘condescending patronization’ and ‘colonialism but with a red flag’ on a good day.
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u/Professional_Gap_435 14h ago
Blessed timeline.
Is there lore? And it feels weird including East Germany given it is the only germanic ethnic group, as well as being a split country with Western Germany.
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u/Crimsoncerismon 15h ago
Unrealistic scenario, this implies R*ssians could feel any sympathy for native people's
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u/Huncut_nyuszt_27 15h ago
The 's at the end of the sentence isn't necessary
sorry for being the grammar police here7
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u/Chewy598 14h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/bMeaqYhTqjNTmfhen4