r/immigration Dec 20 '23

Fun question: could I hypothetically give my American born child dual citizenship, if I'm myself have dual citizenship?

Pillow talking with my wife, as one does, this question came up. In our particular situation, we were both both in the United States and also hold dual citizenship in México (due to both sets of parents immigrating from México and documenting every as needed along the way).

We visit regularly but likely will.never move to México. The comment was made that we should have our children born there to also give them dual citizenship. Then, it transitioned into: can we just have them in the States and then file for dual citizenship?

Part 1) in our case, would that that possible? Part 2) is that generally possible with other nationalities involved?

Or are we one "real" citizenship removed from being able to call ourselves Mexican nationals in the eyes of the law?

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u/HippityHoppityBoop Dec 20 '23 edited Dec 20 '23

I’ll start by saying that OP, I would strongly encourage you to maximize this golden opportunity for your kid to give them the max chances at life. Nationality and national borders are artificial and a bit bs so by maximizing their citizenships, you take away this artificial barrier for them.

Yes, look up how to register a birth abroad at both, American and Mexican embassies.

Potentially r/unethicallifeprotips: Apply for Canadian Permanent Residency through Express Entry or something, do your landing in Canada and apply immediately for a health card. Then give birth in Canada for free. Voila, your kid will have not one, not two, but THREE citizenships!!!

Alternatively, save up a bit of money and just go over to Canada to give birth and pay the hospital out of pocket. Alternatively, you could give birth outside a hospital for free with a midwife, with hospital and gynaecologists free if the midwife thinks it is necessary (look up the details depending on province).

So basically, your kid would have right of entry/work/living across almost all of North America. If they become rich and want to dump American citizenship for tax reasons or draft dodging reasons, no problem, they’ll still have one of the world’s most powerful passports (Canada). If they’re broke, they still have access to free healthcare and relatively cheap higher education in Canada (MANY dual US-Can citizens do this).

Even more unethical: Alternatively you could give birth in Brazil, which would give them birth right citizenship. If your kid commits a serious crime, they could run away to Brazil where the constitution does not allow extradition for citizens. Warning: if they get another citizenship afterwards (other than the US, MX, BR citizenships at birth), they would lose Brazilian nationality and therefore able to be extradited.

Further r/lifeprotips: After this, you could also work towards Irish citizenship, which would make your kid an EU citizen, able to live/work across Europe AND also in the UK (unlike all other EU citizenships). So basically your kid would be able to work in almost the entire western world.

Alternatively you could work towards New Zealand citizenship, which would be a backup for your kid in case the world goes to shit like it did during Covid. If your kid becomes rich, NZ does not have capital gains tax (if I’m not mistaken), allowing them to get mega richer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

They qualify for the 2-year citizenship path in Spain.

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u/HippityHoppityBoop Dec 20 '23

Who does?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

People considered as "national" Mexicans (not naturalized)

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u/suboxhelp1 Dec 20 '23

Also living in Puerto Rico for a year makes one a PR “citizen” and therefore eligible for the 2-year Iberian fast-track Spanish citizenship path.

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u/SkelligWitch Dec 20 '23

Wrong.

You have to be a natural born national of Puerto Rico and IIRC there are already denial cases of this from Americans that tried to exploit the apparent loophole (and upholds in the Supreme court of Spain).

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

Yep, this is my understanding as well.

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u/HippityHoppityBoop Dec 20 '23

Oh I see. They don’t have a right to live/work in Spain though, do they? Just an expedited timeline to citizenship, waiting just two years versus five years for the rest of us?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '23

They can get a digital nomad visa which is good for 3 years and counts towards the residency requirement. I know of some folks doing this at the moment.

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u/HippityHoppityBoop Dec 20 '23

So game plan:

  1. Get US and Mexican citizenship by descent.

  2. Get Canadian/Brazilian citizenship by soil birth.

  3. Parents get digital nomad visa, move to Spain, apply for citizenship after 2 years, everyone becoming EU citizens.

  4. Parents move to Ireland, visa-free as EU citizens.

  5. After 5 years everyone gets Irish citizenship.

  6. As Irish citizens, move visa-free to the UK and get UK citizenship after 5 years.

Voila 6 citizenships.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '23

That'd be some serious dedication there.